Winners of the Major Tennis Tournaments

[Dan Lobb]

Originally Posted by kiki

Gimeno beat Laver and Rosewall at the Worlds Pros.Stolle won Roland Garros by beating Tony Roche.

The so-called "World Pros" was actually a minor event in Oklahoma City!
Again, folks, don't get fooled by the titles. Just because someone claims to be the US Pro or the World Pro (really, just the Cleveland and Oklahoma stops of a four-man tour), doesn't mean you should believe them. Several tournaments claimed to be the world championships.
I like what Hoad said in 1985.
"If I was playing an important final, I would try my best, but if it was the final of the Hamburger Open (there actually was a Burger King Pro Championship) against a player I knew I could beat, well...(he shrugged his shoulders)"
You cannot expect Hoad or Laver to win every weekend. Gimeno and Stolle have to be given some scraps (like Oklahoma City and Cleveland).

[Mustard]

Originally Posted by MG1

Mustard..

Can you make the list for the maximum no. of major event winners.(as per above data)

Okay. Here's the full list.

List of majors won as per OP data
Ken Rosewall: 23 (4 amateur, 15 pro, 4 open)

Rod Laver: 20 (6 amateur, 9 pro, 5 open)

Roger Federer: 17
Pancho Gonzales: 17 (2 amateur, 15 pro)

Bill Tilden: 15 (11 amateur, 4 pro)

Pete Sampras: 14

Roy Emerson: 12 (12 amateur)

Rafael Nadal: 11
Bjorn Borg: 11
Henri Cochet: 11 (10 amateur, 1 pro)

Don Budge: 10 (6 amateur, 4 pro)
Fred Perry: 10 (8 amateur, 2 pro)

Andre Agassi: 8
Jimmy Connors: 8
Ivan Lendl: 8
Ellsworth Vines: 8 (3 amateur, 5 pro)

Mats Wilander: 7
John McEnroe: 7
John Newcombe: 7 (2 amateur, 5 open)
Tony Trabert: 7 (5 amateur, 2 pro)
Frank Sedgman: 7 (5 amateur, 2 pro)
Rene Lacoste: 7 (7 amateur)
Anthony Wilding: 7 (7 amateur)
William Larned: 7 (7 amateur)
William Renshaw: 7 (7 amateur)

Boris Becker: 6
Stefan Edberg: 6
Hans Nusslein: 6 (6 pro)
Bobby Riggs: 6 (3 amateur, 3 pro)
Jack Crawford: 6 (6 amateur)
Laurie Doherty: 6 (6 amateur)
Richard Sears: 6 (6 amateur)

Novak Djokovic: 5
Jack Kramer: 5 (3 amateur, 2 pro)
Lew Hoad: 5 (4 amateur, 1 pro)

Jim Courier: 4
Guillermo Vilas: 4
Karel Kozeluh: 4 (4 pro)
Vinny Richards: 4 (4 pro)
Manuel Santana: 4 (4 amateur)
Ashley Cooper: 4 (4 amateur)
Frank Parker: 4 (4 amateur)
Jean Borotra: 4 (4 amateur)
Bill Johnston: 4 (4 amateur)
Reggie Doherty: 4 (4 amateur)
Robert Wrenn: 4 (4 amateur)

Gustavo Kuerten: 3
Arthur Ashe: 3
Jan Kodes: 3
Pancho Segura: 3 (3 pro)
Alex Olmedo: 3 (2 amateur, 1 pro)
Neale Fraser: 3 (3 amateur)
Jaroslav Drobny: 3 (3 amateur)
Adrian Quist: 3 (3 amateur)
Gerald Patterson: 3 (3 amateur)
Arthur Gore: 3 (3 amateur)
Malcolm Whitman: 3 (3 amateur)
Wilfred Baddeley: 3 (3 amateur)
Oliver Campbell: 3 (3 amateur)

Marat Safin: 2
Lleyton Hewitt: 2
Yevgeny Kafelnikov: 2
Patrick Rafter: 2
Sergi Bruguera: 2
Johan Kriek: 2
Ilie Nastase: 2
Stan Smith: 2
Martin Plaa: 2 (2 pro)
Mal Anderson: 2 (1 amateur, 1 pro)
Fred Stolle: 2 (2 amateur)
Nicola Pietrangeli: 2 (2 amateur)
Mervyn Rose: 2 (2 amateur)
Vic Seixas: 2 (2 amateur)
Dick Savitt: 2 (2 amateur)
Budge Patty: 2 (2 amateur)
Ted Schroeder: 2 (2 amateur)
John Bromwich: 2 (2 amateur)
Don McNeill: 2 (2 amateur)
Gottfried von Cramm: 2 (2 amateur)
James Anderson: 2 (2 amateur)
William Laurentz: 2 (2 amateur)
Lindley Murray: 2 (2 amateur)
Richard Norris Williams: 2 (2 amateur)
Norman Brookes: 2 (2 amateur)
Maurice McLoughlin: 2 (2 amateur)
Joshua Pim: 2 (2 amateur)
Henry Slocum: 2 (2 amateur)
John Hartley: 2 (2 amateur)

Andy Murray: 1
Juan Martin del Potro: 1
Gaston Gaudio: 1
Andy Roddick: 1
Juan Carlos Ferrero: 1
Albert Costa: 1
Thomas Johansson: 1
Goran Ivanisevic: 1
Carlos Moya: 1
Petr Korda: 1
Richard Krajicek: 1
Thomas Muster: 1
Michael Stich: 1
Andres Gomez: 1
Michael Chang: 1
Pat Cash: 1
Yannick Noah: 1
Brian Teacher: 1
Vitas Gerulaitis: 1
Roscoe Tanner: 1
Adriano Panatta: 1
Mark Edmondson: 1
Manuel Orantes: 1
Andres Gimeno: 1
Butch Buchholz: 1 (1 pro)
Welby Van Horn: 1 (1 pro)
Bruce Barnes: 1 (1 pro)
Joe Whalen: 1 (1 pro)
Robert Ramillon: 1 (1 pro)
William Bowrey: 1 (1 amateur)
Tony Roche: 1 (1 amateur)
Rafael Osuna: 1 (1 amateur)
Chuck McKinley: 1 (1 amateur)
Sven Davidson: 1 (1 amateur)
Ken McGregor: 1 (1 amateur)
Art Larsen: 1 (1 amateur)
Bob Falkenburg: 1 (1 amateur)
Jozsef Asboth: 1 (1 amateur)
Dinny Pails: 1 (1 amateur)
Yvon Petra: 1 (1 amateur)
Marcel Bernard: 1 (1 amateur)
Joseph Hunt: 1 (1 amateur)
Henner Henkel: 1 (1 amateur)
Vivian McGrath: 1 (1 amateur)
Wilmer Allison: 1 (1 amateur)
Sidney Wood: 1 (1 amateur)
John Doeg: 1 (1 amateur)
Edgar Moon: 1 (1 amateur)
John Colin Gregory: 1 (1 amateur)
John Hawkes: 1 (1 amateur)
Gordon Lowe: 1 (1 amateur)
Andre Gobert: 1 (1 amateur)
Otto Froitzheim: 1 (1 amateur)
William Clothier: 1 (1 amateur)
Beals Wright: 1 (1 amateur)
Holcombe Ward: 1 (1 amateur)
Harold Mahony: 1 (1 amateur)
Frederick Hovey: 1 (1 amateur)
Willoughby Hamilton: 1 (1 amateur)
Ernest Renshaw: 1 (1 amateur)
Herbert Lawford: 1 (1 amateur)
Frank Hadow: 1 (1 amateur)
Spencer Gore: 1 (1 amateur)

[kiki]

I guess the Masters and WCT finals replaced major pros in the 70´s and 80´s, or at least, they are somewhat comparable, once that open tennis allowed everybody play the Gran Slam titles ( except when WCT players were banned, of course)

[Mustard]

The earliest of tennis legends internationally seem to be Laurie Doherty, a dominant Wimbledon champion who managed to win the US Championships (still one of only two Brits to win the tournament along with Fred Perry), and Anthony Wilding, who seemed utterly dominant in the years before the first world war, especially 1913 when he won the WHCC, Wimbledon and the WCCC.

[kiki]

Originally Posted by Mustard

The earliest of tennis legends internationally seem to be Laurie Doherty, a dominant Wimbledon champion who managed to win the US Championships (still one of only two Brits to win the tournament along with Fred Perry), and Anthony Wilding, who seemed utterly dominant in the years before the first world war, especially 1913 when he won the WHCC, Wimbledon and the WCCC.

Before the 2 Doherty´s, back in the...XIX century, there were the Renshwas, the first real legendary Wimbleodn champions, along very young girl Lottie Dodd.

In the first decade of the XX century, US had players that merely played US events (Boston,Newport,Merion,Forest Hills), like Richards,Larned,Sears ( who had the record for consecutive wins until Tilden broke it in the 1920´s) and Mr Davis, the guy that invented the Davis Cup.

later on, there were 2 dominants players: Brookes and Wilding, both from Australassia and they dominated the scene before the WWI ( the other 2 great players of that era were US Mc Laughlin, arguably the first S&V ever and french Decugis, who should have been appointed the fourth mousketeer instead of Brugnon IMO)

[Mustard]

There was Bill Tilden's rival, Bill Johnston, as well.

[kiki]

Dodd and Lambert Chambers first, and then Lenglen and Wills were the women´s equivalents to the Renshaws,Doherty,Tilden and Mousketeers.

[kiki]

Just thinking, it all depends on the number of players you pick.

If I had to put my best top 3, it´d be Borg/Connors/Mc Enroe in 1980.

If, instead, I was asked top 4, I think 1963 or 1964 Laver/Rosewall/Hoad/Gonzales group offered the peakest tennis ever

Then, the 1981 of Borg/mc Enroe/Connors/Lendl

Let´s go to top 6.No doubt it is Kramer,Sedgman,Gonzales,Hoad,Rosewall and Trabert in 1958 or 1959.

1971 was huge too, as was 1979 (Borg,Mc Enroe,Connors,Gerulaitis,Tanner and Vilas)

Here a choice for top 10 ( no particular order):

1971: Laver,Newcombe,Rosewall,Ashe,Nastase,Kodes,Smith,R oche,Gimeno and OKker

1975:
Borg,Connors,Ashe,Nastase,Vilas,Orantes,Panatta,ra mirez,Dibbs and Rosewall/Laver

1985:
Mac,Lendl,Connors,Wilander,Becker,Edberg,Cash,Noah ,Kriek,Gomez

1994:
Sampras,Agassi,Rafter,Courier,Becker,Edberg,Chang, Stich,Bruguera,Ivanisevic/Krajicek

So, it depends on which number you cut it off.

[Doug_Hartley_2012]

It's no accident that Rosewall and Laver lead the title count. Even allowing for the mix of amateur, pro and open 'Majors, these two guys - more than any other pairing - transcended the challenges of their time and carved out awesome playing careers that just went on and on as they thrived against successive waves of challengers. I think Tilden and Gonzales also rate respectably when you similarly compile their collections of titles. It just helps to put the performances of Sampras and Federer in a bit of context. Tremendous, but just the latest in a procession of champions among champions.

[kiki]

Originally Posted by Doug_Hartley_2012

It's no accident that Rosewall and Laver lead the title count. Even allowing for the mix of amateur, pro and open 'Majors, these two guys - more than any other pairing - transcended the challenges of their time and carved out awesome playing careers that just went on and on as they thrived against successive waves of challengers. I think Tilden and Gonzales also rate respectably when you similarly compile their collections of titles. It just helps to put the performances of Sampras and Federer in a bit of context. Tremendous, but just the latest in a procession of champions among champions.

Oh¡ You finally but the Rocket and Muscless in the same line...great¡¡.

I am heavily pro Rosewall, more so since I saw him play lot of years ago...but, hey, Laver was something...

[Dan Lobb]

Originally Posted by kiki

Oh¡ You finally but the Rocket and Muscless in the same line...great¡¡.

I am heavily pro Rosewall, more so since I saw him play lot of years ago...but, hey, Laver was something...

Rosewall was a generous man. He was on his way to Wimbledon in the late 1950's (?) and stopped in California to have a practice match with junior player Dennis Ralston. Ralston overwhelmed the pro.

[kiki]

Originally Posted by Dan Lobb

Rosewall was a generous man. He was on his way to Wimbledon in the late 1950's (?) and stopped in California to have a practice match with junior player Dennis Ralston. Ralston overwhelmed the pro.

Not exactly.he never fulfilled his promises...

[kiki]

As I said, and argued seeing both backhands, it is so hard for me to watch the Lvaer/Rosewall rivalry and take part for any of the two...as I posted, it is lie asking who you love more, dad or mom? it is just umpossible.

Let´s say that, plain and clear, that rivalry may have left some of the most unforgetable memories of tennis history...and, ABMK or TMF asre just too unmatur to understand that tennis is a sport to enjoy, and the talent of both players is well above rackets,heights,shorts,balls and all those things that do not allow them to enjoy tennis.

[Dan Lobb]

Originally Posted by Dan Lobb

Rosewall was a generous man. He was on his way to Wimbledon in the late 1950's (?) and stopped in California to have a practice match with junior player Dennis Ralston. Ralston overwhelmed the pro.

In the early 1970's, Rosewall stopped at a tennis club in Toronto with media present, and played a practice match against the local club pro, a young man who had pushed me off of my university tennis team.
Rosewall was completely whipped by the young man, who gained a lot of local fame, which helped his career as a club pro greatly. Rosewall was a generous soul.

[timnz]

If we started from scratch - what would be in the discussion about being potential Pro Majors?

Obviously Wembley, French Pro and US Pro

Wimbledon Pro 1967, Tournament of Champions 1956-1959

How about Madison Square Garden Pro - 1966, 1967

How about Forest Hill Pro - mid to late -60's

Masters Pro Round Robin: 1957-1958

Australian Pro: 1954, 1957–1958

U.S Pro hardcourt: 1945

World Pro Championships in Berlin: 1930's

Bristol Cup: 1920s

etc

[Mustard]

Open majors
Australian Open (1969-January 1977, December 1977-1985, 1987-Present Day)
French Open (1968-Present Day)
Wimbledon (1968-Present Day)
US Open (1968-Present Day)

Pro majors
French Pro (1930-1939, 1956, 1958-1967)
Wembley Pro (1934-1939, 1949-1953, 1956-1967)
US Pro (1927-1943, 1945-1967)
Tournament of Champions (1956-1959)
Wimbledon Pro (1967)

Amateur majors
Australian Championships (1927-1940, 1946-1968 )
French Championships (1925-1939, 1946-1967)
Wimbledon (1877-1914, 1919-1939, 1946-1967)
US Championships (1882-1967)
World Hard Court Championships (1912-1914, 1920-1923)
World Covered Court Championships (1913, 1919-1923)
Australasian Championships (1924-1926)

[timnz]

Originally Posted by Mustard

Open majors
Australian Open (1969-January 1977, December 1977-1985, 1987-Present Day)
French Open (1968-Present Day)
Wimbledon (1968-Present Day)
US Open (1968-Present Day)

Pro majors
French Pro (1930-1939, 1956, 1958-1967)
Wembley Pro (1934-1939, 1949-1953, 1956-1967)
US Pro (1927-1943, 1945-1967)
Tournament of Champions (1956-1959)
Wimbledon Pro (1967)

Amateur majors
Australian Championships (1927-1940, 1946-1968 )
French Championships (1925-1939, 1946-1967)
Wimbledon (1877-1914, 1919-1939, 1946-1967)
US Championships (1882-1967)
World Hard Court Championships (1912-1914, 1920-1923)
World Covered Court Championships (1913, 1919-1923)
Australasian Championships (1924-1926)

A good list, but i would like to understand your reasons for your selection of those particular pro majors and not others.

[Dan Lobb]

Originally Posted by Mustard

Open majors
Australian Open (1969-January 1977, December 1977-1985, 1987-Present Day)
French Open (1968-Present Day)
Wimbledon (1968-Present Day)
US Open (1968-Present Day)

Pro majors
French Pro (1930-1939, 1956, 1958-1967)
Wembley Pro (1934-1939, 1949-1953, 1956-1967)
US Pro (1927-1943, 1945-1967)
Tournament of Champions (1956-1959)
Wimbledon Pro (1967)

Amateur majors
Australian Championships (1927-1940, 1946-1968 )
French Championships (1925-1939, 1946-1967)
Wimbledon (1877-1914, 1919-1939, 1946-1967)
US Championships (1882-1967)
World Hard Court Championships (1912-1914, 1920-1923)
World Covered Court Championships (1913, 1919-1923)
Australasian Championships (1924-1926)

There was a major pro tournament at Roland Garros in 1968 (nineteen sixty-eight).
When any pro tournament was held at Wimbledon (only one), Forest Hills (many, but not always the US Pro), Roland Garros (1956, 1958, 1959, 1960, 1962, 1968 ie. nineteen sixty-eight), Kooyong (1958 (fifty-eight), 1959, 1960, 1962), it should be regarded as a major, simply because these were the major venues for tennis.
The indoor smokies, Wembley and Stade Coubertin in particular, are often reported in the London Times as building up dense smoke as the matches progressed, and affecting the level of play.
This is a serious downgrade for the indoors, before the era when good air-conditioning and the smoking bans came into effect.

[kiki]

Originally Posted by Doug_Hartley_2012

It's no accident that Rosewall and Laver lead the title count. Even allowing for the mix of amateur, pro and open 'Majors, these two guys - more than any other pairing - transcended the challenges of their time and carved out awesome playing careers that just went on and on as they thrived against successive waves of challengers. I think Tilden and Gonzales also rate respectably when you similarly compile their collections of titles. It just helps to put the performances of Sampras and Federer in a bit of context. Tremendous, but just the latest in a procession of champions among champions.

Their 1972 Dallas match gave tennis an unprecedented lift, specially TV coverage.It certainly marked a new time and this puts it in a class alone.

It is hard to conceive Laver without Rosewall or Rosewall without Laver.Both had another big generational aussie rival, though:Hoad for Ken and Emerson for Rod.Extremely doggy rivalries, even if Laver vs Rosewall has trascended its own time.

[Rock Strongo]

I just remembered someone who made a HUGE list about something like every single tournament match BJK had played, and the thread got removed...