quick questions on 2 point mounting system

[TLy963]

Does a 2 pt mounting system really distort the racquet frame?
If so then is there any way to fix that?
If so then does it affect play?
If so then how long (# of jobs?) might it take to noticeably distort it?
Am i being paranoid?

btw i have a klippermate- Thanks

[zapvor]

not if you mount it correctly. many machines have 2pt and they work out fine. classic example is the neos

[jgrushing]

Yes, you are being paranoid. Mount the racquets carefully and securely. I have racquets that I've strung 100 times on my KM. Their dimensions remain intact. Machines that, by nature, damage racquets would not last on the market. The Klipper and other two point mounts have been around for many, many years.

[Ramon]

My new machine has 6-point mounting. What I have to show for it so far is a racquet with a damaged head guard and another one with chipped paint. LOL

[oldcity]

Those mounts have a ridge on the face from the mold. Might want to smooth them out or cover them with something soft.

[kabrac]

I have a NEOS and love it. Very quick and very secure.

[4sound]

2pt doesn't distort the frame.

I have the 2pt version of the Gamma 6004. I had always had 6pt machines in the past. I prefer the 2pt and will never go back unless someone gives me a Tecnifibre Ergo Select. (not likely) haha.

[Irvin]

Correct me if I am wrong but the NEOS and Gamma 6004 2 pts are not really two point moounts. The Gamma X-2 and KMate are two point mounts. Either way it does not matter. It is not just mounting the racket correctly it also has a lot to do with how the racket is strung. With a two point mount the more mains you string on one side before you switch over to the other side will produce deformation in the frame. As long as the rackets are mounted and strung correctly there should not be a problem no matter which machine you have.

[sstchur]

Originally Posted by Irvin

Correct me if I am wrong but the NEOS and Gamma 6004 2 pts are not really two point moounts. The Gamma X-2 and KMate are two point mounts. Either way it does not matter. It is not just mounting the racket correctly it also has a lot to do with how the racket is strung. With a two point mount the more mains you string on one side before you switch over to the other side will produce deformation in the frame. As long as the rackets are mounted and strung correctly there should not be a problem no matter which machine you have.

I hadn't heard this before. I always alternated at 3s on my 6pt and have been doing the same on my 2pt. Have not noticed any distortion. The only thing I've noticed is that I sometimes shorten the frame by about 1/16 of an inch, but this seems to happen primarily when I string the crosses lower (which makes sense), and I most often DO string them lower, by about 3lbs.

[Rabbit]

Originally Posted by Irvin

Correct me if I am wrong but the NEOS and Gamma 6004 2 pts are not really two point moounts.

So you'd call them a 4-point?

Originally Posted by Irvin

With a two point mount the more mains you string on one side before you switch over to the other side will produce deformation in the frame.

Like sstchur, this is news to me. And again, like sstchur, I alternate 3 a side when pulling mains. I've been using a Neos for over ten years, and I've never see any frame distortion due to pulling mains in the manner described above. It simply hasn't happened. But then again, since the Neos by your definition isn't a 2-point, I shouldn't have seen it happen.

edit: I should correct one thing. I do string for a guy who used to use the old maroon Rafter double bridged Prince. He strung them at 78 - 80. With those frames, I did handle with great care and alternate one main at a time simply because they were old, strung with high tension, and strung many many times. He has since moved to the POG 90 and while maintaining 80 pounds, the frames are stronger. But, again, I alternate every main with his frames.

[Ramon]

Originally Posted by sstchur

I hadn't heard this before. I always alternated at 3s on my 6pt and have been doing the same on my 2pt. Have not noticed any distortion. The only thing I've noticed is that I sometimes shorten the frame by about 1/16 of an inch, but this seems to happen primarily when I string the crosses lower (which makes sense), and I most often DO string them lower, by about 3lbs.

What's the reason for alternating at 3s? Is it because the fixed clamps get in the way?

[sstchur]

Originally Posted by Ramon

What's the reason for alternating at 3s? Is it because the fixed clamps get in the way?

For me, the reason I do 3 is that (IIRC) the USRSA says 3 is the max you should go ahead on a given side. Also, a lot of frames I string are 16 mains, so I just like the rhythm that I get into this way. I do 3 on one side, 6 on the other, go back to the first side and do the remaining 5 and tie off. Then go back and finish the last two on the other side and tie off.

I just find I have good efficiency that way.

[Irvin]

Originally Posted by Ramon

What's the reason for alternating at 3s? Is it because the fixed clamps get in the way?

So you don't distort the racket. If you take a two point (like a KMate) and string all the mains on one side it will distort that side. It is the way you string the racket that causes the distortion not the mounting system. Getting no more than three mains ahead on either side will prevent distortion.

EDIT: If you have a four or six point it will distort it less but there is still distortion. I believe that at one time the USRSA said it was ok to string all the mains on one side IF YOU HAD A SIX POINT but I don't think they say that any more.

[Ramon]

Originally Posted by sstchur

For me, the reason I do 3 is that (IIRC) the USRSA says 3 is the max you should go ahead on a given side. Also, a lot of frames I string are 16 mains, so I just like the rhythm that I get into this way. I do 3 on one side, 6 on the other, go back to the first side and do the remaining 5 and tie off. Then go back and finish the last two on the other side and tie off.

I just find I have good efficiency that way.

Makes sense. I normally do 2 on one side, 3 on the other side, and then switch after every 2. 3-6-3 does seem like it might be quicker, but with a drop weight I know I won't be blazing through anyway.

[zapvor]

Irvin can you explain why neos and such isnt 2pt??

[Irvin]

Originally Posted by zapvor

Irvin can you explain why neos and such isnt 2pt??

It is a two point per se but if you look at the top and bottom supports there are two point on each for better support.

[zapvor]

i see....i guess you see it differently. cool beans

[Clintspin]

I guess it's all in how you look at it but as far as surface to surface contact-Klippermate and Neos have the same and Klippermate may have more.

[TLy963]

thanks for the info. when starting the mains i alternate every string and then do two at a time on each side. i usually string crosses higher than i string the mains so maybe that also helps prevents distortion.

[jgrushing]

Originally Posted by Clintspin

I guess it's all in how you look at it but as far as surface to surface contact-Klippermate and Neos have the same and Klippermate may have more.

I was thinking the same thing. Regardless, they both work just fine when used properly. Those are the two main machines I've strung on. Never deformed a racquet except for one time that I forgot to tighten supports.