Federer is a better player this year, should therefore win the US Open

[TennisLovaLova]

I miss the way *** would have trolled this thread

[Feather]

Originally Posted by brickner_damage

It's a forgone conclusion that Federer won't beat Djoko here, so just looking at what is most relevant now for Federer (in addition to the Olympics)..

Only for you, not for others. The guy whom you says "he is gonna lose in three sets", is a six time champion here. I feel Roger has more chances to win, but that's me

[brickner_damage]

Originally Posted by Feather

Only for you, not for others. The guy whom you says "he is gonna lose in three sets", is a six time champion here. I feel Roger has more chances to win, but that's me

Those days are long gone, and 3 of those Wimbledon finals he won were vs Roddick (including a very close 2009 final), and a couple were vs young Nadal. That's 5 of his 6 titles, so I think we can see how the level of competition is quite different today. Guys hitting harder off the ground now (Tsonga, Berdych, Djokovic).

[joeri888]

Originally Posted by brickner_damage

Those days are long gone, and 3 of those Wimbledon finals he won were vs Roddick (including a very close 2009 final), and a couple were vs young Nadal. That's 5 of his 6 titles, so I think we can see how the level of competition is quite different today. Guys hitting harder off the ground now (Tsonga, Berdych, Djokovic).

I bet you that prime Roddick would school those 3 on (halfdecent) grass, except for maybe Djoker 2.0 just because of sublime confidence, but this year's djoko would have a really tough time.

[brickner_damage]

Originally Posted by joeri888

I bet you that prime Roddick would school those 3 on (halfdecent) grass, except for maybe Djoker 2.0 just because of sublime confidence, but this year's djoko would have a really tough time.

For sure Djokovic would school Roddick. Best returner in the game, and best or equal best baseliner too.

I like Tsonga's chances vs prime Roddick, a lot. Berdych is very inconsistent, so yeah Roddick over him without a doubt.

[Feather]

Originally Posted by joeri888

I bet you that prime Roddick would school those 3 on (halfdecent) grass, except for maybe Djoker 2.0 just because of sublime confidence, but this year's djoko would have a really tough time.

Now that Rafa is lost, this is the main intention of the OP, to "talk" about the Roger Novak SF. It reminds me of how TeamNaal used to talk about this much anticipated Wimbledon SF

[tlm]

These dreamer fed threads never stop, he is done winning majors but the fed fans cannot accept it. How many of these threads have there been in the last couple of years? Fed is better now than ever and on +on.

He has not won a major in years rarely ever makes a final, but yet again this year he is a better player. It gets beyond ridiculous, but keep it up because it never hurts to dream.

[brickner_damage]

Originally Posted by tlm

These dreamer fed threads never stop, he is done winning majors but the fed fans cannot accept it. How many of these threads have there been in the last couple of years? Fed is better now than ever and on +on.

He has not won a major in years rarely ever makes a final, but yet again this year he is a better player. It gets beyond ridiculous, but keep it up because it never hurts to dream.

Yeah, Federer is better this year than last year, without a doubt. That is the intention of the title. Federer is a better player this year than he was last year. And because he had 2 matchpoints vs Djokovic last year at the US Open, he has an excellent chance this year at the US Open.

[FlashFlare11]

Originally Posted by brickner_damage

Yeah, Federer is better this year than last year, without a doubt. That is the intention of the title. Federer is a better player this year than he was last year. And because he had 2 matchpoints vs Djokovic last year at the US Open, he has an excellent chance this year at the US Open.

But then what happens if Federer were to lose to Djokovic without getting even a single MP at the USO this year?

Again, I don't see how Federer's improved "where it matters". His slam results haven't been as good as last year's (2011 AO SF and RG F compared to 2012 AO SF and RG SF). He's still only made it to the fourth round of Wimbledon, so let's not pretend he's already made it past the quarters, a place he hasn't advanced past in three years.

I don't see how he's better.

[brickner_damage]

Originally Posted by FlashFlare11

But then what happens if Federer were to lose to Djokovic without getting even a single MP at the USO this year?

Again, I don't see how Federer's improved "where it matters". His slam results haven't been as good as last year's (2011 AO SF and RG F compared to 2012 AO SF and RG SF). He's still only made it to the fourth round of Wimbledon, so let's not pretend he's already made it past the quarters, a place he hasn't advanced past in three years.

I don't see how he's better.

Anything is possible, obviously. Not sure what you are asking though when you say "what happens"...

Federer was better at the Australian Open this year.
Federer was better at Roland Garros last year.
And Federer was better at the non-slams this year.

[zagor]

Originally Posted by Rippy

I'm guessing brickner_damage is nadalslamking...

Yup, no doubt about it.

Originally Posted by tlm

These dreamer fed threads never stop, he is done winning majors but the fed fans cannot accept it. How many of these threads have there been in the last couple of years? Fed is better now than ever and on +on.

He has not won a major in years rarely ever makes a final, but yet again this year he is a better player. It gets beyond ridiculous, but keep it up because it never hurts to dream.

The OP is not a Fed fan.

[FlashFlare11]

Originally Posted by brickner_damage

Anything is possible, obviously. Not sure what you are asking though when you say "what happens"...

Federer was better at the Australian Open this year.
Federer was better at Roland Garros last year.
And Federer was better at the non-slams this year.

I'm asking "what happens" because if what I said occurs, the entire premise of the thread is gone.

And Federer performed about the same at AO this year and worse at RG this year compared to last year. Sure, he performed better in non-slam competition, but it doesn't mean much going into the slams.

[brickner_damage]

Originally Posted by FlashFlare11

I'm asking "what happens" because if what I said occurs, the entire premise of the thread is gone.

And Federer performed about the same at AO this year and worse at RG this year compared to last year. Sure, he performed better in non-slam competition, but it doesn't mean much going into the slams.

The premise of the thread is always present. So you don't have a point with that statement.

Nah, Federer won the first set vs Rafa Nadal in the semi at Australia this year. Compare that to losing to Djokovic in straight sets at the 2011 Australian Open semi... How often does Federer win the 1st set vs Rafa Nadal at a slam? 2007 Wimbledon was the previous time.

Federer has been substantially more consistent this year overall than 2011. He is more reliable, and more likely to maintain a high level. That is what the non-slams proves.

[FlashFlare11]

Originally Posted by brickner_damage

The premise of the thread is always present. So you don't have a point with that statement.

Nah, Federer won the first set vs Rafa Nadal in the semi at Australia this year. Compare that to losing to Djokovic in straight sets at the 2011 Australian Open semi... How often does Federer win the 1st set vs Rafa Nadal at a slam? 2007 Wimbledon was the previous time.

Federer has been substantially more consistent this year overall than 2011. He is more reliable, and more likely to maintain a high level. That is what the non-slams proves.

Yeah but Djokovic is a better player than Nadal at AO. Federer won the first set against Nadal at RG before. I wouldn't say winning sets against particular opponents is entirely indicative of an improvement in play.

He has played much more consistently in the Masters and 500 series events, but for Federer, unless he's transitioning that game into the slams and winnning, it doesn't mean much.

[brickner_damage]

Originally Posted by FlashFlare11

Yeah but Djokovic is a better player than Nadal at AO. Federer won the first set against Nadal at RG before. I wouldn't say winning sets against particular opponents is entirely indicative of an improvement in play.

He has played much more consistently in the Masters and 500 series events, but for Federer, unless he's transitioning that game into the slams and winnning, it doesn't mean much.

LOL, Djokovic better at the AO? By 7-5 in the 5th set....hardly impressive. And Nadal has always hurt Federer at the slams more than anyone, including Djokovic.

Federer's consistency at the Masters doesn't mean much, but it still means he's been better this year overall.

[FlashFlare11]

Originally Posted by brickner_damage

LOL, Djokovic better at the AO? By 7-5 in the 5th set....hardly impressive. And Nadal has always hurt Federer at the slams more than anyone, including Djokovic.

Federer's consistency at the Masters doesn't mean much, but it still means he's been better this year overall.

Djokovic has 2 AO titles to Nadal's 1. And Djokovic beat Nadal there in their only encounter there. More titles and better head-to-head record there leads me to believe Djokovic is better at the AO. Federer played well against both Djokovic in 2011 and Nadal in 2012. But at RG, he looked pretty bad this year, dropping sets to everyone but his first-round opponent.

As for his Masters matches, I don't think he's improved so much as he turned up in more of them. He was more consistent but as a player, I haven't seen any improvements. He just seems more determined to win.

[brickner_damage]

Originally Posted by FlashFlare11

Djokovic has 2 AO titles to Nadal's 1. And Djokovic beat Nadal there in their only encounter there. More titles and better head-to-head record there leads me to believe Djokovic is better at the AO. Federer played well against both Djokovic in 2011 and Nadal in 2012. But at RG, he looked pretty bad this year, dropping sets to everyone but his first-round opponent.

As for his Masters matches, I don't think he's improved so much as he turned up in more of them. He was more consistent but as a player, I haven't seen any improvements. He just seems more determined to win.

You can ask Federer and I'm sure he will tell you he's more proud of his level vs Rafa Nadal at the 2012 AO than his level vs Djokovic at the 2011 AO. It's not even close. Federer played better at the 2012 AO, no doubt about that.

Federer has played better this yera, and the results prove it, at the Masters events (including a win over Nadal at Indian Wells).

[TigerTim]

FedGimp will defo win the USO, he is a year older, and slower. Plus he will be tired after a long first 2/3 of the season with Olympics etc, and the fact that mentally he will be even worse than usual after Chokerer (available for a limited time only, the last week of the USO) appears. He will lose to Nadal in the semi-final like this;

0-6, 0-6, 7-6(12 match points choked), 7-6(16 match points choked), 6-0(17 break points choked)

[Djokodal Fan]

Originally Posted by brickner_damage

The consensus in this forum is that Federer has improved. The consensus is more powerful than one man's opinion.

Small correction.... consensus of who....Fed Fans? Then yes. Results tell it's other way around!

[Def]

Originally Posted by FlashFlare11

Djokovic has 2 AO titles to Nadal's 1. And Djokovic beat Nadal there in their only encounter there. More titles and better head-to-head record there leads me to believe Djokovic is better at the AO. Federer played well against both Djokovic in 2011 and Nadal in 2012. But at RG, he looked pretty bad this year, dropping sets to everyone but his first-round opponent.

As for his Masters matches, I don't think he's improved so much as he turned up in more of them. He was more consistent but as a player, I haven't seen any improvements. He just seems more determined to win.

3 titles, 2008, 2011-12