Golden-Set 'Hypothetical' ...................

[Carsomyr]

Originally Posted by Fugazi

Wrong. 5.0s can hope for at least a point, 5.5s will win at least 1-3 points.

I sincerely doubt it. As you know, the scale stops at 7.0. However, there are thousands upon thousands of players who register at 7.0 who would struggle to win points and games against a guy like Federer.

[Fugazi]

Originally Posted by Carsomyr

I sincerely doubt it. As you know, the scale stops at 7.0. However, there are thousands upon thousands of players who register at 7.0 who would struggle to win points and games against a guy like Federer.

Thousands and thousands of players that rate 7.0? Dude what are you smoking? There are a few hundred players at 7.0, if that. And in any case, 7.0s don't struggle to win points against Federer. I believe a 5.0 would win at least one point about 50% of the time, and a 5.5 would win at least one point about 90% of the time.

[Loose Cannon]

Originally Posted by Fugazi

Thousands and thousands of players that rate 7.0? Dude what are you smoking? There are a few hundred players at 7.0, if that. And in any case, 7.0s don't struggle to win points against Federer. I believe a 5.0 would win at least one point about 50% of the time, and a 5.5 would win at least one point about 90% of the time.

I agree with Fuge!


People have confidence issues.....


I don't....... Im getting a point dammit. The odds of him not having a single UE combined with the odds that I couldnt crank a single FH winner are pretty high

[Nathaniel_Near]

Roger would be far too kind to send you to prison for a month, so I'd take the challenge.

[goober]

Originally Posted by Nathaniel_Near

Roger would be far too kind to send you to prison for a month, so I'd take the challenge.

I agree- there is no incentive in this bet for Fed to not give you a point or two. Let's see - send a poor chap to jail for a month or give him a point and make him 250K richer. Hmm what to do?

For this to be a legit bet, Fed would have to have some incentive to play his best tennis against a rec player like- IF he doesn't get a golden set, Mirka goes to Jail for a month

[zcarzach]

I'd take the bet. I'd get to play a set with Roger and have a chance to win $250k. Although I'd probably have an excellent chance of losing the bet, it would be interesting to try for it!

[tudwell]

Originally Posted by Fugazi

Thousands and thousands of players that rate 7.0? Dude what are you smoking? There are a few hundred players at 7.0, if that. And in any case, 7.0s don't struggle to win points against Federer. I believe a 5.0 would win at least one point about 50% of the time, and a 5.5 would win at least one point about 90% of the time.

Well, if I recall correctly (it's been a while since I've played in any sort of USTA league), a 7.0 is simply a professional tennis player. There are nearly 2,000 men who have an ATP ranking, so I would say there's about 2,000 7.0s (excluding retired professionals).

A 5.0 might win a point, a 5.5 being more likely, but I think your percentages are a little generous. Federer's spent years playing other 7.0s and beats most of them handily. What would a 5.0 or even a 5.5 have to trouble him? Federer's standard rally ball would be so heavy and deep that even a 5.0 would struggled to return it in any meaningful fashion (i.e. not simply leaving his next shot to be creamed).

[Loose Cannon]

Originally Posted by goober

I agree- there is no incentive in this bet for Fed to not give you a point or two. Let's see - send a poor chap to jail for a month or give him a point and make him 250K richer. Hmm what to do?

For this to be a legit bet, Fed would have to have some incentive to play his best tennis against a rec player like- IF he doesn't get a golden set, Mirka goes to Jail for a month

I stated that the 250 K comes from Fed's Bank account.....


That is plenty of incentive.......to have a quarter a million dollars taken from his account

[Loose Cannon]

Originally Posted by tudwell

Well, if I recall correctly (it's been a while since I've played in any sort of USTA league), a 7.0 is simply a professional tennis player. There are nearly 2,000 men who have an ATP ranking, so I would say there's about 2,000 7.0s (excluding retired professionals).

A 5.0 might win a point, a 5.5 being more likely, but I think your percentages are a little generous. Federer's spent years playing other 7.0s and beats most of them handily. What would a 5.0 or even a 5.5 have to trouble him? Federer's standard rally ball would be so heavy and deep that even a 5.0 would struggled to return it in any meaningful fashion (i.e. not simply leaving his next shot to be creamed).

Thats true and all......but we're not talking about 'Lets see who here at TT can take Feds to a Tie Breaker.......we are talking about 1 point.

[Cup8489]

Originally Posted by Loose Cannon

Thats true and all......but we're not talking about 'Lets see who here at TT can take Feds to a Tie Breaker.......we are talking about 1 point.

Did you not see the video I posted? Federer can hit a medium pace ball for days, and that medium pace ball would be winning shots against virtually all of us. Even if it wasn't, our shots, no matter how big they are, wouldn't be big enough to trouble him. He can take shots in the 80mph range in the rise.. what hope do any of us have?

I don't think people realize the depth of the tennis world. There's been times where Federer only allows a handful of points to opponents in the top 100...and the guys in the 500-800 range in rankings can't hardly touch the top 100, who can't hardly touch top 10..

[Feather]

I must appreciate the creativity of the OP, lolz

I liked the thread, hehe

[tudwell]

Originally Posted by Loose Cannon

Thats true and all......but we're not talking about 'Lets see who here at TT can take Feds to a Tie Breaker.......we are talking about 1 point.

Well, there's definitely a chance. If a 5.0 has a particularly big serve, he might score a point with an unreturned serve or, say, a serve-volley off of a weak reply. Once the point starts, though, I don't see the 5.0 having any chance. As Feather said, a big shot for a 5.0 is not a big shot to Federer, and a normal shot for Federer is a big shot to a 5.0. If Federer was actually focused on making no errors, I don't think he would, because he wouldn't have to go for the kinds of shots he does against other pros. He could lay the ball in casually and still hit winners and force errors from the 5.0.

I wouldn't take the bet, personally, but I'm only a 3.5-4.0 (at least I was; I've barely played the last couple years).

[Carsomyr]

Originally Posted by tudwell

Well, if I recall correctly (it's been a while since I've played in any sort of USTA league), a 7.0 is simply a professional tennis player. There are nearly 2,000 men who have an ATP ranking, so I would say there's about 2,000 7.0s (excluding retired professionals).

And why not include retired pros? If they ranked in the top 200+ sometime during their career, my guess is that, if they kept in shape, they could win an ATP point or two five years after retirement, thus making them (for all intents and purposes) 7.0s. And that is a lot of guys to be talking about.

If a 5.0 or 5.5 wanted to win a point, they'd need a massive serve. I sincerely doubt anyone of that rating winning a point on his serve.

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by Loose Cannon

I stated that the 250 K comes from Fed's Bank account.....


That is plenty of incentive.......to have a quarter a million dollars taken from his account

Heh, in that case he might end up getting a little nervous and choke a point or two!

The way I see it, from Federer's perspective, either he has no or little incentive to win every single point and he's bound to relax at some point/feel bad for the opponent. Or he has a strong enough incentive to play every point seriously but in that case he might get tight and choke.

On the other hand, an important factor no one has taken into account is the setting: packed house at Wimbledon which definitely makes things a lot worse for the contestant. Our hypothetical 5.0 will find it harder to serve well when everytime he tosses the ball he sees 100 faces staring at him!

[CitationJet]

Originally Posted by Nadalfan89

There is no way Fed would win 24 consecutive points against me.

I would underhand every serve, drop shot every ball and stand 15 feet back and tee off on every serve.

He would give at least 1 point and then I'd buy an Audi R8.

I'm not a ******* by any means, however I'd wager my life's savings that Fed could tape a cardboard cutout of a racquet to his hand, and you STILL would not win a point against him.

Have fun in prison...

[Loose Cannon]

I dont care what you under- confident players say......


Im not talking about taking a set from Feds......ONE POINT. Im not even talking about Ripping a pssing shot....or some beautiful top spin lob Freezing Feds at the Net, ankles broken.....it doesnt have to be a thing of beauty or showing feds up.....


Im just saying.....odds are he tries a bit too hard 1-2 times to paint a line.....or try and be cute with shots....as he likes to do......and I say he misses wide once-twice, as oppossed to me ripping some overhead smash on him......but a point is a point


Give that CASH!

[TigerTim]

one serve, and with the returns I would just swing and hit, yh, I'd take the challenge, I reckon I could beat Federror tbh 6-3/6-4 or something along those lines

[The_Order]

I'd probably struggle to return his serve unless he faults and I get a look at a second serve. Even then it would probably have too much bite to control the return properly.

So the chance of me winning a point would have to be on my serve. My serve isn't too bad when I'm having a good day so I could probably sneak in a point or two I'd say.

[Fugazi]

Originally Posted by tudwell

Well, if I recall correctly (it's been a while since I've played in any sort of USTA league), a 7.0 is simply a professional tennis player. There are nearly 2,000 men who have an ATP ranking, so I would say there's about 2,000 7.0s (excluding retired professionals).

A 5.0 might win a point, a 5.5 being more likely, but I think your percentages are a little generous. Federer's spent years playing other 7.0s and beats most of them handily. What would a 5.0 or even a 5.5 have to trouble him? Federer's standard rally ball would be so heavy and deep that even a 5.0 would struggled to return it in any meaningful fashion (i.e. not simply leaving his next shot to be creamed).

I see what you mean, but people need to understand that a golden set is a very rare event. I'm a 5.0 (probably 5.5 if I train for a few months to get my mojo back), and there's no way I'd be confident to win a golden set against anyone, even 3.0s or lower. A double fault, missed return, or simply a very good or lucky shot/serve from the opponent is very likely to happen at least once in a set.

[egn]

I'll take this chance. I don't think I can win a point based on skill, but everyone makes an error, and flukes happen. Maybe I can get my racket on his serve and it dies on the way over the net. Or just one good serve that he gets slightly caught off guard with. One month in jail or 250k. I feel as if Fed wouldn't want to send people to jail anyway so he'd give up a point