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Join Date: May 2007
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I thought it might be interesting to compare the great players on a more level field by comparing their performances at the highest level and richest tour tournaments. (Open era only).
These are the 4 Majors(since 196 Player/ Titles Won Federer 41 (possible 42 after tomorrows Madrid Final) Lendl 35 Sampras 30 Nadal 30 McEnroe 29 Borg 28 Connors 27 Agassi 26 Becker 22 Djokovic 17 Edberg 15 Willander 15 Laver 14 Nastase 12 Vilas 10 |
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G.O.A.T.
Join Date: Feb 2010
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However, in order to even things, I´d pick the Dallas finals as part of a super evnts that included: WCT Finals Philadelphia Montecarlo Rome Johannesburg ( till 1975) and Las Vegas ( from 1985) Palm Springs/La Quinta Hamburg Toronto Tokyo Super seiko and , of course, Dallas Now you have the 4 GS, the Masters ( currently called WTF) and your Super 9
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Join Date: Oct 2008
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Hence, Connors does better because he has 2 WCT finals vs only 1 Masters - so credit connors with 2 season end finals. So goes McEnroe having 5 WCT FInals vs 3 Masters - so credit McEnroe with 5 season end finals in this chart. That moves him to 31. Becker however stays the same because his combined WCT/Grand Slam Cup is 2 which is less than his Masters Cups which you reported at 3. Note: There is a current controversy of the time period from 1972 to 1975 inclusive - to credit the Toronto/Montreal event or the London event as a Masters 1000 equivalent win. Some say one some say the other. From 1972 to 1975 that London event wasn't Wembley but the Dewar Cup held at the Royal Albert Hall. It was a different event - Wembley not been played those years. Your totals look like they assume London is included in the totals from those years (you have Connors on 18 Championship Series events rather than 17). However, if you go with the Canadian events (which one poster on these bulletin boards thought had deeper fields) - Connors is one down, but other players increase like Nastase (because he won in Canada). Last edited by timnz : 05-13-2012 at 02:08 PM. |
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Join Date: Feb 2012
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I'd love to know how many equivalent tournaments Laver and Rosewall won in the pre-Open days, plus the ones they did win in the Open era.
Philadelphia, Memphis, Brussels, Milan, Palm Springs, Las Vegas, Washington, North Conway, San Francisco, Sydney Indoors, Tokyo Super Seiko, Wembley, along with the WCT Finals in Dallas. Some of the great tourneys of yesteryear. Most of them in any given year plus the 4 Major Slam events and the Grand Prix Masters. |
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G.O.A.T.
Join Date: Feb 2010
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Boston,Indianapolis,San Frisco,Sidney Indoors,Wembley,Stockholm,Barcelona,Buenos Aires ( for some years), Hamburg were major stops .WCT had also a very strong link of events like Philadelphia,Houston,Richmond,Birmingham,Frankfurt ,Milan,Rotterdam and Montecarlo.
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Join Date: May 2007
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Updated after Cincinnati Final
Grand Slams/WTF/Masters wins Player/ Titles Won Federer 44 Lendl 35 Nadal 32 Sampras 30 McEnroe 29 Borg 28 Connors 27 Agassi 26 Becker 22 Djokovic 18 Edberg 15 Willander 15 Laver 14 Nastase 12 Vilas 10 |
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I appreciate your effort, but did you even consider Timnz's suggestions?
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I was aware of the number of permutations and combinations but chose this simplified approach. It's only a guide to what players did in big/rich events. If want to add/deduct GS Cup and WCT finals or even the Olympics it's up to you. |
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