Tipsarevic: " Junior Boy will crush Serena Williams"

[mellowyellow]

TV you also need to realize in a perfect world ratings are good because everyone want to see good tennis, that is just not true and that is flawed logic on your part. Reality is that many would watch just to see someone get beat, than to see the opponent win. College football plays this out alot. When Ray Leanord came back to fight Camacho Jr. it was not because anyone thought it would be a great fight, his great fights were years off at that point, the feeling was he would get his butt kicked, it was pay per view and many watched it. Then you had a guy Naseem Hamed, and many would watch him waiting for his time to come and get beat, not for any other reason. I will watch Bartoli/Nadal just to see them get beat, I am sure many on here will watch Masha/Vica because of the shrieking just too see them get beat. So do not think or act as though ratings means it was great talent/entertainment that drew a crowd.

[THUNDERVOLLEY]

Originally Posted by mellowyellow

The talent is not subjective, for women you see the best of the best, but comparatively they are not the best show when talking about any mens match containing top 100 men.

Pick up a dictionary, then look up "subjective," as you are still applying subjective opinion, which is devoid of hard facts.

Put Anna Kournakova in the final and ratings will double, it won't be because of the tennis.

One player--we are not talking about. Today's current players get the ratings, and have a variety of physical appearances, so once again, your theories are nonsensical at best, but the audience has a desire to see the players, otherwise, they would easily exercise something called free choice and a remote. That is not happening for one reason.

THUNDERVOLLEY: "Tipsy, Almagro, et all, in the same postiion (i.e. no majors win yet) are not commanding attention because their games do not compel that reaction from the audience."

This sounds like someone out of touch with reality, someone who only thinks as to their nationality. You must be an American as you referenced two popular ones in this case instead of.... anyone else

Woefully off the mark. I noted two players due to the interest generated before they won their first major. Nationality is merely coincidental--particularly since the global tennis community was buzzing about Sampras & Serena at the period in question. The same happened with Becker before his 1st Wimbledon (next, you'll say Boris was from New Jersey as a way of supporting your DOA nationalism noise).

This brings us back to two points:

Tipsy, Almagro, et al, do not generate that kind of pre-1st majors buzz because they are non-factors as players, thus the sport's biggest audience is not paying attention to them. .,

The evidence for ratings being biased is what it is, they try to give equal airtime

1. You cannot provide evidence of this, so this is more of your hate campaign against women.

2. The women could vanish from broadcasts right now, and Tipsy, Almagro and others of their level would still fail to generate interest as it is their play and character which is not compelling to audiences, and never will be after long years on tour.

However, you can continue to create more baseless, go-nowhere theories until Doomsday, but none will ever come close to being fact.

[Roy125]

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Um, I watch women's tennis for the talent and performance without the sex-sells aspect.

[mellowyellow]

Originally Posted by THUNDERVOLLEY

Tipsy, Almagro, et al, do not generate that kind of pre-1st majors buzz because they are non-factors as players, thus the sport's biggest audience is not paying attention to them. .,

Their sure seemed to be as much buzz about that match as any other great match for the year. You must not frequent the courts very often?? What audience? American? Please provide proof that Serena is more watched in Spain than Almagro or Ferrer, or that Monaco is less watched in Argentina than Sharapova, When you do that please make sure that the viewership was of the nature of choice not because it was simply the only match provided. When are you going to provide statistics that are not Anglo American based?

[mellowyellow]

Originally Posted by Roy125

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Um, I watch women's tennis for the talent and performance without the sex-sells aspect.

I am sure you do, but look at the dress that is now allowed.... look at what happened to the junior girl. I have a legit question, if watching Serena do you try to play like her? If you try to serve like her, do you realize you are trying to serve like Pete? Do the womens matches make you want to play more so than the Tipsy/Ferrer match? The real question I want to know though is do you feel the quality of most womens tennis is satisfactory or higher quality than mens? Or would you say it is usually lacking in competitiveness, and you were somehow robbed of a good match from start to finish?

[Roy125]

Originally Posted by mellowyellow

I am sure you do, but look at the dress that is now allowed.... look at what happened to the junior girl. I have a legit question, if watching Serena do you try to play like her? If you try to serve like her, do you realize you are trying to serve like Pete? Do the womens matches make you want to play more so than the Tipsy/Ferrer match? The real question I want to know though is do you feel the quality of most womens tennis is satisfactory or higher quality than mens? Or would you say it is usually lacking in competitiveness, and you were somehow robbed of a good match from start to finish?

Yes, I would want to play like Serena Williams. And yes, I do realize that Serena has a very similar serve like Pete Sampras'. I don't know about all women' match but I'd rather watch the top women play than the lower-ranked guys, or guys that I don't know much about--including Tipsy and Ferrer.

Honestly, I would not have thought that the quality of womens' tennis was lower than the mens' if someone did not tell me. Growing up, I always had girls with more talent beat me so I thought they were pretty much on par with the men and it was only a couple of years ago that I realized that there's a large disparity between the sexes. I always thought there was a high amount of competitiveness in the women's game though, excluding the wozniacki/zvonareva eras.

[mellowyellow]

Originally Posted by Roy125

Yes, I would want to play like Serena Williams. And yes, I do realize that Serena has a very similar serve like Pete Sampras'. I don't know about all women' match but I'd rather watch the top women play than the lower-ranked guys, or guys that I don't know much about--including Tipsy and Ferrer.

Honestly, I would not have thought that the quality of womens' tennis was lower than the mens' if someone did not tell me. Growing up, I always had girls with more talent beat me so I thought they were pretty much on par with the men and it was only a couple of years ago that I realized that there's a large disparity between the sexes. I always thought there was a high amount of competitiveness in the women's game though, excluding the wozniacki/zvonareva eras.

So would it be fair to say if it were not for marketing the best of each respective sex equally, you would wrather see mens than womens or vice versa in this case? Since you openly admit it is better level of tennis? Can you name a womens match that was of equal quality as this match this year? Is watching second best a problem regardless of the sexes? Would you rather watch second best womens than mens?
Can you clarify the last bold part, seems to conflict greatly with the general feeling of the board and most people I talk tennis too on a regular basis?

[tistrapukcipeht]

Many top Jrs can run over Serena at her best, her 120 MPH is nothing that a Jr hasn't seen, a top jr will probably have a better return than WTA ladies that hardly ever see 120 mph at the T, while Jr's see that all the time and return it.

The rest is all advantage for the top Jrs, they can run faster, move better, hit with more power and spin and hit what serena throws at them, it remains to know if serena can keep up with them.

Would the Jrs play with WTA balls ?? or would they play with ATP balls?

Either way The Jrs will get an advantage

[Roy125]

Originally Posted by mellowyellow

So would it be fair to say if it were not for marketing the best of each respective sex equally, you would wrather see mens than womens or vice versa in this case? Since you openly admit it is better level of tennis? Can you name a womens match that was of equal quality as this match this year? Is watching second best a problem regardless of the sexes? Would you rather watch second best womens than mens?
Can you clarify the last bold part, seems to conflict greatly with the general feeling of the board and most people I talk tennis too on a regular basis?

I don't know where my interests would be if there weren't equal marketing of both the wta and atp. I'm sorry; your pronouns are a little ambiguous in your post so I don't know what "it" and "this" mean to you. And again, I apologize because I don't know how to clarify the last point of my last point any further: I think the top players of the WTA have always been competitive with each other, but I'm probably using a broader definition of "competitive" than most of the board when they might say that women's tennis isn't competitive at all. I mean, the top girls of the WTA all fight to win slams and titles, right? That's what I mean by "competitive."

[PCXL-Fan]

There would be immense pressure from nerve for a jr to face Serena on Center court Wimbledon infront of thousands of spectators and being televised to millions of viewers. Combine that with the threat of a collective female movement to outcast the male which dashes the social preset illusion that top 10 females can compete with top 20-500 ranked males in tennis, and you have the recipe that Serena would crush the top jr.

Are you guys aware how powerful social pressure and persuasion is. If a hypnotist hypnotizes a 260 weightlifter that he cannot lift a 80lb child, he actually will no longer be able to find the strength to do it.

[Kaptain Karl]

Originally Posted by Chillaxer

I can't imagine golf would ever be top 4, if it is then humanity has faltered.

Where's the TT "Atta-Boy!" button??? That was great!

Originally Posted by Roy125

Honestly, I would not have thought that the quality of womens' tennis was lower than the mens' if someone did not tell me. Growing up, I always had girls with more talent beat me so I thought they were pretty much on par with the men and it was only a couple of years ago that I realized that there's a large disparity between the sexes. I always thought there was a high amount of competitiveness in the women's game though, excluding the wozniacki/zvonareva eras.

I believe you, Roy. I also believe you represent "the exception;" not the "rule".

Originally Posted by mellowyellow

... Put Anna Kournakova in the final and ratings will double, it won't be because of the tennis.

Hey...! Anna was a VERY good player (especially Dubs). She got hammered on these board (TT) for not being as good as she was sexy.

If she were playing Dubs, I'd *definitely* be watching. Singles? I'd probably be watching.

This sounds like someone out of touch with reality, someone who only thinks as to their nationality. You must be an American....

Curiously, we have similar (dis)regard for her posts ... but we draw different conclusions. I don't view her pretentious posts as *nationally* motivated at all. Since I coach high school tennis and deal with over 35 teenagers six days a week, I am struck by how similar her style is to the 15 year-old know-it-all nature of so many kids with no adult life experience. She's trying too hard to pretend to be an adult.

My guess? She's 14-17 years of age and desperately trying to be perceived as a grown-up. IMO she's not driven by nationalism, but by teenage angst.

The evidence for ratings being biased is what it is, they try to give equal airtime, if you cant see this then no help for you... What does that then mean? Guys like Tipsy, Almagro, Monaco who don't generally make it as far do not get airtime when the slots open up. Now if you actually look, and ask peoples opinions you would see their was an outcry of appreciation for the match that was played. Had that happened 2 rds ago you would not have seen it on TV, the crowd that watched would have been reduced. See that is a bias, or skew that helps the womens PR.

mellow, you're wasting your time. She "knows everything."

Again if you for all of your bs intelectual talk (cant actually believe you talk to people in conversation that way) ...

BINGO! Her posting style is what brings me to my above conclusion.

Originally Posted by mellowyellow

Just because you want statistical proof (for your own satisfaction), means nothing, Take a note: Facts are Facts with or without provided "proof" to you. We will see just how well the WTA does on Sunday LOL. Please give proof that people actually want to watch womens tennis based on talent and performance without the sex sells aspect.

I still think you're wasting your time with her, but you are making very good arguments.


Milan, please pass the popcorn....

- KK

[BreakPoint]

Originally Posted by kragster

I think a top 200 would crush Serena but definitely not a junior. Tipsy must have been real tipsy when making that statement.

"Top 200"? How about more like Top 2000?

[mellowyellow]

Originally Posted by Roy125

I don't know where my interests would be if there weren't equal marketing of both the wta and atp. I'm sorry; your pronouns are a little ambiguous in your post so I don't know what "it" and "this" mean to you. And again, I apologize because I don't know how to clarify the last point of my last point any further: I think the top players of the WTA have always been competitive with each other, but I'm probably using a broader definition of "competitive" than most of the board when they might say that women's tennis isn't competitive at all. I mean, the top girls of the WTA all fight to win slams and titles, right? That's what I mean by "competitive."

Thank you for taking the time to answer and what seems like a legit point of view.

[Noodles]

The gap between men and women will increase as the game continues to be come more "athletic".

[THUNDERVOLLEY]

Tipsy: crashed and burned as always at the majors, and could not provide an exciting match even if his hate-monger life depended on it..

...meanwhile, the women's final was a real fight with tension, and Serena makes history again. Funny how that works out.

[sundaypunch]

Originally Posted by THUNDERVOLLEY

Tipsy: crashed and burned as always at the majors, and could not provide an exciting match even if his hate-monger life depended on it..

...meanwhile, the women's final was a real fight with tension, and Serena makes history again. Funny how that works out.

I think that Janko should be granted verb status. Crashing and burning in the important tournaments = Janko-ing. Then at least he will be remembered for something in 10-years.

[THUNDERVOLLEY]

Originally Posted by sundaypunch

I think that Janko should be granted verb status. Crashing and burning in the important tournaments = Janko-ing. Then at least he will be remembered for something in 10-years.

LOL! Good one!

[The-Champ]

Janko should try winning a major instead of opening his filthy mouth..

[THUNDERVOLLEY]

Originally Posted by mellowyellow

Just because you want statistical proof (for your own satisfaction), means nothing

Translation: after days of posting unsubstantiated sexist rants, you still have no proof to support your hardline "facts" about anything, and dip into bizarre notions of Tipsy inspiring anyone to play (hint: no one models their game off of a one-dimensional loser), to posting a steaming pile of conspiracy theory about the audience somehow being forced to watch women's matches.

You never had a chance.

Please give proof that people actually want to watch womens tennis based on talent and performance without the sex sells aspect.

Oh, I guess Henin, Bartoli, Venus and Kvitova (to name just a few) were being sold as Maxim "babes" on the court, right? You are hopelessly out of touch.

[tistrapukcipeht]

I don't know why some of you is saying all this BS about Tipsarevic, He can choke as much as He can, still the level He plays and played against Ferrer (the best match of the tournament up to now) is a level to double bagel Serena and any WTA player if he wanted.

Sorry, but it is the absolute truth that any high level Jr can run over Serena and/or any WTA player, that simple.

Would they play with lighter balls (WTA) or heavier balls (ATP)?