Why are Olympic umpires calling the player's names instead of their nation's names? - Page 2

jamesblakefan#1 · 07-29-2012, 01:04 PM

OP's bored and looking to strum up an argument when there's none there. Another fail thread by BP, Talk Tennis Guru.

BreakPoint · 07-29-2012, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jamesblakefan#1

OP's bored and looking to strum up an argument when there's none there. Another fail thread by BP, Talk Tennis Guru.

Hmmm...I've heard numerous players mention that when the umpire calls their nation's name during Davis Cup matches that it gives them goose bumps and makes them feel so much prouder and gives them extra motivation and incentive to want to try even harder to win for their countries. That's why you often have amazing all-out Davis Cup matches with sometimes surprising results. Why are the players in the Olympics being robbed of this special feeling and the extra pride and motivation of representing their countries?

jmverdugo · 07-29-2012, 01:22 PM

Yes, I have also have had troubles to sleep because of this, it must be addressed immediately ...

BullDogTennis · 07-29-2012, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BreakPoint

Phelps and Lochte are not in a one on one race. Besides, there's no umpire calling the score in swimming.

I guess only when both players in a tennis match are from the same nation should calling the players by their names be allowed. But I don't think that happens very often in the Olympics. In fact, I can't recall when that's ever happened.

no, but they are 2 racers in the same race. and assuming they are in the lead (1st and 2nd place) they might as well be one on one.

BreakPoint · 07-29-2012, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BullDogTennis

no, but they are 2 racers in the same race. and assuming they are in the lead (1st and 2nd place) they might as well be one on one.

Huh? Are there umpires calling out the score after each point next to the pool in swimming?

opiate · 07-30-2012, 04:29 AM

i guess it's just to cover all eventualities.
there might be times when competitors of the same country face each other across the net.

i'm not sure about (lawn) tennis, but (table) tennis comes to mind.
i think there are more than one olympic instance when PRC has won gold, silver, and bronze; and South Korea doing the same.
in badminton as well either China or Indonesia has repeatedly have both players facing each other either in gold & silver contentions, or making clean sweeps across the board.

also it is probably to anticipate those "without nationality". If Guor Marial can run under the Olympic Flag, maybe by some convoluted logic, there might be, one day, a tennis player who will play "without nationality" (very very little probability of happening, but theoretically it can happen).

and while the individual must be applauded for their achievements (gold for Mr. So And So, world record by Ms This Andthat), lest people forget that this is ultimately a "for the Country": there's the flag raising ceremony at the end (which is absent in "normal" tournaments). which can be one of the most touching part of the whole ceremony.

P.S. I'm sure though, some umpires secretly would prefer to call nation-names rather than personal names (sometimes can be tonguetwistery at best, others only draw a lot of neg-comments about how umpires or game callers butcher exotic player names)

Thud and blunder · 07-30-2012, 04:48 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympic_medal_table

The Olympic Charter, Chapter 1, section 6 states that:
“The Olympic Games are competitions between athletes in individual or team events and not between countries …”

End of story.

Sentinel · 07-30-2012, 05:08 AM

How the heck are viewers supposed to know who is playing if they only use country names. Yesterday there was a tennis match with GBR and SUI showing. No names. I was wondering who those two ugly dudes were, one with freckles and one with a dour face.

sureshs · 07-30-2012, 05:11 AM

No one wins against BP, so give up

federer_FREAK · 07-30-2012, 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by sureshs

No one wins against BP, so give up

This guy is getting way too worked up over such a minor thing.

tusharlovesrafa · 07-30-2012, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by sureshs

No one wins against BP, so give up

Hey,ONLy Nadal saves BP.Fed tanks BP,or,Am I missing something?

tusharlovesrafa · 07-30-2012, 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by sureshs

No one wins against BP, so give up

Hey dood,can you speak hindi?

sureshs · 07-30-2012, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by tusharlovesrafa

Hey dood,can you speak hindi?

speak, read, write, including gaalis. can read ramcharitmanas and premchand in the original.

Badger · 07-30-2012, 08:50 AM

Completely agree with BreakPoint. The olympics needs more relevance in Tennis (can't believe that more points are awarded for masters event than a Gold Medal), and the only way of doing that is emphasising the representation of your country, which should be enough for most. They also need to pile on the ranking points.

InvisibleSoul · 07-30-2012, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Thud and blunder

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympic_medal_table

The Olympic Charter, Chapter 1, section 6 states that:
“The Olympic Games are competitions between athletes in individual or team events and not between countries …”

End of story.

/thread

From that, basically it means that the participants are representing their country, but are playing for themselves, and thus, it is appropriate to call them by their names and not by the country they represent.

sureshs · 07-30-2012, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Badger

Completely agree with BreakPoint. The olympics needs more relevance in Tennis (can't believe that more points are awarded for masters event than a Gold Medal), and the only way of doing that is emphasising the representation of your country, which should be enough for most. They also need to pile on the ranking points.

I don't think changing the calling of the names will fix that issue

tusharlovesrafa · 07-30-2012, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by sureshs

speak, read, write, including gaalis. can read ramcharitmanas and premchand in the original.

OMG!! LMAO...I thought you are a tamil so you won't be knowing much of hindi!!

stormholloway · 07-30-2012, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by BreakPoint

Then why do they keep track of each countries medal count? Why not only name the individuals who have won medals?

Because it's an interesting statistic.

Seriously enough with the stupid, coy questions. Davis Cup can't be compared to the Olympics. Davis Cup does not award individuals whatsoever. The Olympics do.

BreakPoint · 07-30-2012, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Sentinel

How the heck are viewers supposed to know who is playing if they only use country names. Yesterday there was a tennis match with GBR and SUI showing. No names. I was wondering who those two ugly dudes were, one with freckles and one with a dour face.

How do you tell who's playing in a soccer or a basketball or a volleyball game?

Just put names on the back of their shirts. Some tennis players already do this. Heck, they even do this sometimes in Davis Cup.

BreakPoint · 07-30-2012, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by stormholloway

Because it's an interesting statistic.

Seriously enough with the stupid, coy questions. Davis Cup can't be compared to the Olympics. Davis Cup does not award individuals whatsoever. The Olympics do.

That's the only thing you're right about. The Olympics is significantly bigger and more significant that the Davis Cup and involves many more sports than just tennis.

But in both, the athletes are representing their countries and playing for their countries.

07-30-2012, 04:29 AM	#26
opiate Semi-Pro Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 424	i guess it's just to cover all eventualities. there might be times when competitors of the same country face each other across the net. i'm not sure about (lawn) tennis, but (table) tennis comes to mind. i think there are more than one olympic instance when PRC has won gold, silver, and bronze; and South Korea doing the same. in badminton as well either China or Indonesia has repeatedly have both players facing each other either in gold & silver contentions, or making clean sweeps across the board. also it is probably to anticipate those "without nationality". If Guor Marial can run under the Olympic Flag, maybe by some convoluted logic, there might be, one day, a tennis player who will play "without nationality" (very very little probability of happening, but theoretically it can happen). and while the individual must be applauded for their achievements (gold for Mr. So And So, world record by Ms This Andthat), lest people forget that this is ultimately a "for the Country": there's the flag raising ceremony at the end (which is absent in "normal" tournaments). which can be one of the most touching part of the whole ceremony. P.S. I'm sure though, some umpires secretly would prefer to call nation-names rather than personal names (sometimes can be tonguetwistery at best, others only draw a lot of neg-comments about how umpires or game callers butcher exotic player names) Last edited by opiate : 07-30-2012 at 04:35 AM.

07-30-2012, 04:48 AM	#27
Thud and blunder Semi-Pro Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 664	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympic_medal_table The Olympic Charter, Chapter 1, section 6 states that: “The Olympic Games are competitions between athletes in individual or team events and not between countries …” End of story. __________________ Come to the 'net, take what you get.

07-30-2012, 05:08 AM	#28
Sentinel Talk Tennis Guru Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Shutter Island, unfortunately ... Posts: 23,336	How the heck are viewers supposed to know who is playing if they only use country names. Yesterday there was a tennis match with GBR and SUI showing. No names. I was wondering who those two ugly dudes were, one with freckles and one with a dour face. __________________ Nobody knows where you are, how near or how far.

07-30-2012, 08:50 AM	#34
Badger Semi-Pro Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Corcaigh, Éire Posts: 446	Completely agree with BreakPoint. The olympics needs more relevance in Tennis (can't believe that more points are awarded for masters event than a Gold Medal), and the only way of doing that is emphasising the representation of your country, which should be enough for most. They also need to pile on the ranking points. __________________ 2 Wilson KTours leaded to 11.5 ounces / 325 grams - Tecnifibre NRG2 16g mains Pacific Poly Crosses @53lbs ---- 2011-Year of The Nike Apparel Disaster

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