|08-22-2012, 07:02 PM||#161|
Join Date: Jan 2008
Full set or hybrid- Strung it up as full set
Tension used for playtest- 52lbs
Regular string set up- Genesis Black Magic 17g at 52lbs
Racquet brand and model used for test- Tecnifibre Tfight 320 16 by 19 string pattern
Power of test string- For a poly it was average in power compared to other polys. I felt it was less powerful than my usual string set up.
Feel-Feel was muted and quite nice but on off center shots i thought there was alot of vibration. It seemed like the sweetspot was small.
Spin- Spin was on par with the black magic, which i think is about average for a poly as far as spin. Nothing insane like you get from Tour Bite.
Comfort- Comfort was nice on shots hit on center, but again when out of the sweet spot there were alot of vibrations.
Durability- So far durability is fine, I have about 5 hours of play on it.
Tension maintenance (how long before it became too loose or unplayable)- So far tension maintenance is good for a poly. I would rate it above average compared to other polys i have used.
Control (predictable trajectory? performance on different strokes and swing speeds?)- Control is great, probably the best attribute of the string. I felt like I could swing out with confidence. Good bite off the backhand slice. Trajectory was predictable on all shots/strokes. For a poly i thought it was above average at the net, especially on touch/drop volleys. Also performed well with dropshots. On the serve it was decent. I felt that i lost a little pop off my flat serve and not as much action on my kick serve. However on the slice serve it performed well. Good bite and action on the slice serve.
Compare to the string you use most often- Black magic has more power. About = to black magic in terms of spin. Black magic better feel. 4G better control.
Tension recommendations (after hitting it, would you recommend a different tension? Why?) Maybe drop it a couple of pounds to get a little more pop.
Summary: List 1 or 2 primary likes and dislikes.
Liked the control and good tension maintenance for a poly,
Did not like the vibrations when hit off center and almost felt like the string shrunk the sweetspot of the racket.
Thanks to TW and Luxilon for the opportunity to playtest the string.
Last edited by Chace : 08-23-2012 at 04:13 AM.
|08-22-2012, 09:23 PM||#162|
Join Date: Oct 2010
Full set or hybrid - Full set used
Tension used for playtest - 57lbs
Regular string set up - Tourna Big Hitter Blue Rough 16g mains/17g cross
Racquet brand and model used for test - Wilson Pro Staff Tour 95
Power of test string - Compared to other polys out there, this was medium to low powered. One needs to have a medium to fast swing speed to take advantage of its characteristics. Players with low swing speed will have problems with balls coming up short.
Feel - This string has the typical soft co-poly feel, dead, muted, no crisp to speak of but very solid. It took a little getting use to but once I've adjusted, I found myself gaining confidence in hitting all shots. Feel on volleys were solid.
Spin - The spin potential is average or slightly above average. My usual setup is BHBR, a very spinny string and sometimes I would complain that I am getting too much spin. Change in trajectory is huge, the first half hour with this I was struggling and hitting everything out. Once I flattened out the trajectory a bit, the shots went in nicely and I was back to my old self. In a strange way I prefer this trajectory more than my old one because it allows the ball to penetrate more.
Comfort - This string is excellent in the comfort category, unlike the Alu Power and Rough this one is very comfortable, easy on the arm, off center hits were very forgiving as well. Initially I felt this soft co-poly was almost a bit too soft, there were instances where the hits felt almost bubble gum like, the feel was so deadened best I can describe was like hitting with bubble gum. Once I got used to it everything was fine. The string is soft but very solid at the same time, if you hit it cleanly you will be rewarded.
Durability - Durability is above average and much better than Tourna's Big Hitter Blue Rough. I will break BHBR 17g in less than 2hr, thus I'm using 16g mains/17g cross. After a few hit sessions the notching on the 4g was significantly less than BHBR.
Tension maintenance (how long before it became too loose or unplayable) - This is the one that baffles me. At the end of my second hit session, the strings moved around so much I thought it was about to break. Typically this is a sign of tension loss and string is about to break but after checking the notches, it still had enough to continue. I straightened out the strings and continued to hit with it and it was fine.
Control (predictable trajectory? performance on different strokes and swing speeds?) - Control seems very good on serves, very predictable and provide lots of confidence. Once I got to ground strokes I was a bit confused. Shots I hit went everywhere, some went in some went out, it was all over the place. Then I realized what the issue was, I cannot use the same trajectory as I do with BHBR, with this one I had to flatten the trajectory a bit because the spin is less and the power is low. Once I adjusted everything was fine. This string is all about control, once I got dialed in I can really appreciate the engineering/design behind this. Power was low enough to allow players to take a full stroke, spin was good enough to bring the ball in play but not overwhelming to the point where it slows it down. It gives a very controlled penetrating ball flight. I like it!
Compare to the string you use most often - This is a difficult one, 4g and Bhbr each has its unique attributes. Bhbr I can hit with mega topspin and huge margin of error, downside is too much spin slows the ball down. 4g shines with its arm friendlyness, control oriented stringbed, very penetrating ball flight, and good durability, only question is the price. Again, this is a string for players with medium to fast racquet speed.
Tension recommendations (after hitting it, would you recommend a different tension? Why?) - I would recommend people to string this at the tension they normally string co-polys then adjust it from there. This string is in line with the latest generation of co-polys where it is soft/comfortable enough so it does not do damage to the arm/elbow. This way it can target a larger audience.
Summary: List 1 or 2 primary likes and dislikes. - Although it takes a bit of getting used to at first, but once I am in tune with this string I really enjoyed the solid feel it gives when striking the ball. The ball flight/trajectory is very penetrating and great for singles play. Volleys had good feel and very solid. Similar to how racquets can be categorized as "player's racquets" I would say this is a "player's" string. It is very control oriented, precise and accurate. The more I hit with it the more confidence I gain, just get better and better.
A couple of things I would recommend would be, add little more "crisp" to it, just a bit, I know its a give and take but this one is almost a bit too soft. The other thing is the tension aspect, the strings started to move on me "wildly" on the 2nd hit session, not sure what the deal was but that needed to be fixed.
|08-22-2012, 09:31 PM||#163|
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Luxilon 4G String Test
Initial impressions: The string came packaged in a nice bubble wrap envelope, with a card enclosed that explains where to post the string review on Luxilon’s Facebook Page. The string itself is a pleasant gold color and seems to have “micro channels” that run the length of the string. Upon cutting off the zip ties that held the string, it did not have excessive coil memory. In the process of uncoiling the string, it did not have excessive coil memory. For a co-poly sting it feels fairly supple.
Stringing the Racket: My racket of choice is a Head Liquidmetal Radical MP. The racket is stock, with no modifications other than putting an over grip on the handle. Since early this summer, I have been consistently using a hybrid set-up of Gosen OG sheep micro 17 on the mains and a co-poly (usually Gosen Polyon 17) on the crosses. This combination gives me exceptional feel and access to plenty of spin. For this string test, I was tempted to use the 4G for both the mains and the crosses, but I finally decided to use it in the crosses so that I could compare it more effectively with my current preferred hybrid string set-up. My preferred sting tension for my normal hybrid setup is 53 on the mains and 48 on the crosses and for this string test, I mirrored those tensions.
My stringer is a Gamma Progression II - lock out-style stinging machine with a six-point mounting system. After cleaning and mounting the racket, I set the tension dial at 53 pounds for the mains. I quickly strung the mains and moved on the task of putting the 4G in the crosses. After setting the tension at 48 pounds I commenced weaving the first two rows and making the starting knot. Making the starting knot was fairly easy because the 4G is supple and not as stiff as other co-poly stings I have used in the past. The starting knot pulled down easily. I noticed immediately that this string notches very easily, so I was careful when pulling the string through the mains to fan the string so as not to notch them. What was also apparent was the softness of this co-poly string. It is supple and does not have any tendency to kink or knot up. When I pulled tension, this string required very little manipulation to prevent it from “smiling”. Weaving the crosses was a bit easier than other stiffer co-poly’s that I have used in the past. The process of stringing the crosses was uneventful and the finishing knot was easy to tie. Since I prefer not to stencil my rackets, I cannot give any impressions as to how stencil ink adheres to this string.
After I finished stringing the racket, I took it out of the stringer and gave the string bed a few solid thumps on the heel of my hand. There is no excessive vibration and the racket makes the nice dull pinging sound to which I am accustomed. The combination of the white Gosen mains and the gold Luxilon Crosses looks nice in my frame.
Power of test string – The power of 4G string is comparable with the other hybrid stings I have been using this summer.
Feel – The feel of the 4G string is comparable with the other hybrid stings I have been using this summer.
Spin – The spin that I get from this hybrid set up is comparable with the other hybrid stings I have been using this summer.
Comfort - The comfort that I get from this hybrid set up is on par with the other hybrid stings I have been using this summer.
Durability – I am not a big string breaker and these strings are holding up so far after about 10 hours of hard play.
Tension maintenance (how long before it became too loose or unplayable) – Ongoing, but at the 10 hour mark the stings are still holding enough tension to be playable.
Control (predictable trajectory? performance on different strokes and swing speeds?) – This setup provides predictable trajectory and is equal to my normal strings when using the various strokes during the course of a match.
Compare to the string you use most often – All-in-all this string is equal to the hybrid combination I have been using this summer. As indicated above the 4g is in the crosses and they are holding tension adequately.
Tension recommendations (after hitting it, would you recommend a different tension? Why?) – I am satisfied with the tension I used. Just like my regular hybrid setup, the 4G in the crosses provides good feel, adequate spin and access to the same amount of power as my regular setup.
Summary: List 1 or 2 primary likes and dislikes – Likes: feel and color of the string. Dislikes – tendency to want to notch during stringing and string tends to kink easier than some other co-poly’s I have worked with.
Conclusions:Overall, I have been satisfied using 4G as the crosses in my hybrid set-up. It provides me with the same feel, power, access to spin, etc. as my normal set-up. It has held tension better than the inexpensive Gosen Polyon that I normally use in the crosses. Since I do not have a Facebook account, I am posting this review in this thread only. I want to give a big thank you to TW and Luxilon for giving me the opportunity to play-test this string.
|08-22-2012, 09:53 PM||#164|
Join Date: Oct 2010
Full set or hybrid : I strung full bed to get a real feel for the string
Tension used for playtest: I strung this at 50lbs expecting it to be a low powered poly
Regular string set up: I am a string Junkie rarely play with the same string twice, always trying something new.
Racquet brand and model used for test: Babolat Pure Drive
Power of test string: I rate this a low powered poly that complemented my stiff frame power 3/10
Feel: Above average for a poly/co-poly sweet pocketing and nice touch on volleys 7/10
Spin: everything I could ask for in the spin department. Sure there are other polys with more spin but this string had all that I needed and great bite on the slice 8/10
Comfort: rated as a poly I say 9/10 up there with the soft polys like black widow its not Gut but the performance is worth a little comfort. Off center hits may be a little bit hard if you have elbow issues but one of the softer ones for sure. Dont be afraid to try it. It should be really nice in a hybrid also.
Durability: I dont see any issues with durability, I need to play with longer to get a good idea of how durable but I am just guessing 7/10
Tension maintenance (how long before it became too loose or unplayable)
Excellent so far very little % drop on Racquet tune and holding steady, No string movement still playing solid after 12hrs. 10/10 for a poly
Control : I give this a 10/10 for Control. Low power + Stiff frame = swing away baby. Groundies were a blast placing the ball with big swings excellent pocketing allows to move the ball very well. Serves were solid with nice kick and volleys were great.
Compare to the string you use most often: One word Fun, I have been playing Multis lately so I dont have to swing as hard. This was nice to swing as hard as I wanted and have the ball land on the line everytime. I am recovering from a broken wrist, so It gets pretty tired hitting that hard all the time.
Tension recommendations (after hitting it, would you recommend a different tension? Why?) 50lbs was on the money for me. Not sure if I would go any lower pretty sure I would not need to go higher
Summary: List 1 or 2 primary likes and dislikes. I love low power with a stiffer frame and the control was off the charts. I have a big serve and I had to give up a little speed with the string but the control made up for it. If you love to swing hard try this string if your looking for a little control. You need to hit hard to keep the ball deep.
Thanks For the Play test
|08-23-2012, 10:09 AM||#165|
Join Date: Dec 2011
After hitting on the Lux 4G for another several hours, I'm starting to get a bit more string movement and things are going pretty dead. I would guess that it took about 10 hours for the stringbed to lose that lovin' feelin'.
I'm getting some notching of the crosses in the sweet spot, but not to the point where I'm worried that I'd ever pop a string before the bed was completely wrung out.
|08-23-2012, 08:08 PM||#166|
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Join Date: Aug 2009
I strung up the 4G at 50 lbs a few days ago and will have a chance to hit for with it the next several days. The string felt decently stiff, but it was easy to string. Also, i noticed while stringing that the 4G had an almost waxy texture to it. While stringing crosses the string glided through, but it seemed to have a waxy feeling coating to the touch. Did anyone else notice that?
Please excuse my punctuation and grammar.
|08-24-2012, 10:11 AM||#167|
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Champaign, Illinois
Full set or hybrid: Full bed of Luxilon
Tension used for playtest: 45lb, electronic constant pull
Regular string set up: Tourna Big Hitter Black 7 17 @ 45lb
Racquet brand and model used for test: Wilson BLX2 Pro Staff Six.One 90
Power of test string: I thought the string had an appropriate amount of power. It made it easy to hit big shots but still allowed me to control the ball. I felt like it was more powerful than most polys I've playtested.
Feel: Feel was good for a poly.
Spin: Good spin, but not quite at the level of Big Hitter Black 7 or Tour Bite.
Comfort: The string is one of the most comfortable polys I've hit with, which surprised me.
Durability: My game doesn't snap poly; I cut it out when it goes dead. That said, this string seems to be maintaining its liveliness exceptionally well.
Tension maintenance: The tension has dropped steadily since it was first strung, but I don't feel that it's impacted the string's playability as much as I've found with other strings.
Control: Control was adequate, but not amazing. I feel like it's a good trade to get more power from the string.
Compare to the string you use most often: The Luxilon string is livelier than BHB7, and it seems to be wearing more predictably. I like BHB7 better when the strings are new, but after a few hours of hitting, the Luxilon feels better.
Tension recommendations: No regrets. 45lb feels good.
Summary: I like the overall package that this string offers. It's not amazing in any one performance category, but it provides a good balance to make a poly that's remarkably comfortable and easy to use. I'd consider switching to it, but I expect that it will be priced out of competition with my usual string.
Thanks to Luxilon and TW for the opportunity to playtest.
|08-24-2012, 10:57 AM||#168|
Join Date: Dec 2010
Re: 2012 luxilon playtest
Strung As : Full set
Strung tension: 58
Regular Set-Up: Volkl V-Pro Full Set at 58 tension
Racket Brand used for test: Volkl Dnx 10 Mid
Power of string: I felt that it was less power than other polys that i have tried. My balls came up short when hitting with it.
Feel of string: Felt similar to my regular co-poly string.
Spin: Good amount of spin from string. Had to put more spin on the ball so the ball doesn't come up short.
Comfort: It felt moderate vibration when hit on sweet spot. The string was arm friendly. Once used to hitting with this string it was more comfortable.
Durability: I have about 8 hours of serious play with this string.
Tension maintenance: i felt a big drop after 4 hour play and then another drop around 6 hours. My hypothesis on why it dropped so much is because i put my racket in my black car and the heat just was overwhelming for the string. I cut it after 8 hours.
Control: Serves are really nice and crisp. Hitting on ground strokes were moderate and low powered. Was able to do full strokes to keep the ball in the court with spin.
Comparison to my own set up: Compared to my own set up it had lower power level. The spin was on par with my set up. Took awhile to get used to the string.
Summary: Overall, i liked the string and i hope that it will be a cheap string under 10 dollars. It had great control like my regular set up. and i believe the tension maintenance for me should of been better if i didn't place it in my car.
Dislike: didnt like the vibration for off frame shots.
Thank you TW for giving me the chance to try this string =]
|08-24-2012, 01:35 PM||#169|
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Northern CA
This was a short playtest for me a I received the strings right before a tournament (Won it) and did not feel confident enough to use them in my matches so I'm a little late to get this up. I should start with I am actually looking to switch to a more comfortable co-poly that has better feel that my current string.
I used these in a full set at 52lbs in a 2012 Pure Drive Roddick normally strung with Solinco Revolution at the same tension. I have an all court game with a big serve and heavy spin on forehand slightly less on my 2 handed backhand.
Power: I found the power level right where I expected, not high powered by any means but decent power for a poly it rewarded fast swings and required me to provide any put away power, fairly easy to control depth and required very little adjustment although I would say revolution is slightly less powerful. This string provided a predictable response on fast swings.
Feel: I found the feel to be good. Certainly better than my normal string which doesn't have much feel at all this string is as good or better at net and for touch shots than a lot of polys I've used.
Spin: This string surprised me here especially after reading other posters that found this to be average in the spin department. I found this string to provide heavy spin for me. It does so in a different way though from what I've felt. I normally look for strings that feel like they really grab the ball and provide that "bite" that gives me spin. These felt like they were more "active" in that there was very pronounced movement and snapback that provided me with a lot of kick on serves and groundstrokes that were exploding off the court. I would say this string is similar to TCS or Black venom in this way out of the strings I've tried. This is no tourbite but this string is a spin monster in my racket.
Comfort: I found this to be a very comfortable and playable poly. Not the most comfortable I've used but certainly respectable. I have arm problems on and off and this string did not give me any trouble. Almost everything else made by luxilon has and it's also one of the reasons I'm looking for a new string of choice.
Durability: I do not break polys unless they are 18 or 18L's so I'm not the best to comment on this. I will cut this out long before I could break it.
Tension Maintenance: This string seemed to drop a little tension initially and then lock in. I have'nt noticed much tension loss after the initial drop which wasn't enough to affect playability too much. This string will last me another hitting session from the feel of it so that would make about 9-10 hours of hitting which is all I expect from a poly. About average.
Control This string really shined on control for me because of the low powered feel it rewarded fast swings and aggressive play. Very impressed with the control as I normally associate this level of control on high swing speeds with much stiffer polys. Pleasantly surprised.
This string is more comfortable and powerful than my normal setup but still very controlled and predictable which are usually mutually exclusive traits. I found these to be similar in feel (like the TW playtesters have said) to Polyfibre TCS and other soft co-polys. I could see stringing these even lower in a 90-98 Square inch frame but I don't think I would go any lower than 50lbs in my Roddick as the racket is quite powerful. I loved the balance of comfort and control but given the average level of tension maintenance and relatively high price from what I've seen I will not be switching to this. If this were in a more competitive price range of $10.00 to $13.00 I could see it being a contender for the prize of string of choice but with all great strings out there in the sub $13.00 range I don't see the near $17.00 price tag reasonable given the performance is not out of this world. This is definitely a step in the right direction though and if this is an indication of what is to come from the poly giant then I am excited at what the future holds.
|08-24-2012, 02:19 PM||#170|
Join Date: Jan 2012
Luxilon 4G Playtest
String first impression stringing-Very easy to string. Probably the easiest poly I have ever strung.
Full set or hybrid-Hybrid with Prince Synthetic Gut Duraflex 16 in the crosses
Tension used for playtest-47lbs for the mains 57 for the crosses
Regular string set up-Kirschbaum Pro Line Evolution in the mains with Synthetic Gut Duraflex in the crosses
Racquet brand and model used for test-Head Prestige IG Midplus
Power of test string-This string was very low powered. It allowed me to swing out on approach shots not worrying about them flying long.
Feel-Touch shots at the net were very hard to hit. I missed many balls I usually would make with my original string setup. Drop volleys were also very hard to hit. I felt the same way with lobs. They were very hard to hit compared to my normal setup.
Spin-There was very little spin created with this string compared to many other polys I’ve used. I hit heavy topspin so this affected me when playing with this string. I did notice on slices the ball would have more spin than normal.
Comfort-My arm has only affected by Luxilon Big Banger Alu Power at high tensions. This did create a tiny arm problem after a long set of having to fire in many serves but other than that there was no pain.
Durability- Used it for 20 hours and has no signs of breaking anytime soon. My crosses will break faster than the mains
Tension maintenance- After using it for about 5 hours it dropped around 4-5 lbs which almost made the string more playable due to increased power.
Control- The control with this string was outstanding. I would hit cross court deep cross court and it would land right on the line without a doubt every time. That was very helpful to grind out points and be able to still stay in them with the lack of power these strings have.
Compare to the string you use most often-My flat serves were going in at a higher percentage but were getting smacked back for winner due to their lack of pace; My spin serve was very consistent. I was able to place it very well but due to the lack of power opponents were just killing it back leaving me left starting the point on a bad note; My kick serves were very easily placed probably the most effective serve with these strings.
Ground strokes were lacking in the power but not the control. I was able to grind out points while keeping the ball deep but opponents were able to stay in points because balls that would be winners didn’t have enough pace on them to make them fly past opponents instead they would battle back into points and sometimes win them.
Tension recommendations-To make up for the lack of power I would lower both the crosses and the mains by 5lbs.
Summary-I like the stiffer bed for the gain of control. I just wish there was more power from this string to put away shortballs and not giving opponets chances to comeback on points that should be won by me. I also miss the touch from my regular set up. Overall I like my regular set up better.
|08-24-2012, 02:49 PM||#171|
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Kansas City
You must include the following in your review
Full set or hybrid: Used as crosses with Pacific Classic 16L mains
Tension used for playtest:62 lbs mains, 54 lbs crosses
Regular string set up:Pacific Classic mains, WeissCannon SilverString crosses
Racquet brand and model used for test:Boris Becker BB11 Mid
Power of test string:It had slightly less power than my normal setup. I use the poly to tame down the gut a little bit, and this string fit the bill. It took a little bit to adjust, but not too long.
Feel:Seemed to have pretty good feel, but was perhaps a bit more harsh than my normal setup. It seemed to go away after about an hour of play. Volleys seemed to have better touch with this than my normal setup once they settled in.
Spin:Seemed to be on par with my normal setup. Good hop on ground strokes off each side, good kick on serves. One thing I will note is that it seemed that it wasn't quite as forgiving if I didn't hit perfectly clean, having the ball flatten out and fly a little more on me than I am used to if I don't hit it well. I guess that should teach me to hit better though!
Comfort:My arm is fairly sensitive to poly's, which is why I don't play them full bed very often. With my current setup, I generally cut out my crosses and restring after about 8 hours of play. That is usually when my arm tells me it is time. I have played the string for about 8 hours and I would say it might have a couple more hours in it before I cut it out. The end of my last play session I was just starting to feel it a little.
Durability:No real issues here I don't think. I never break poly's before I cut them, and this doesn't show any signs of breaking.
Tension maintenance: (how long before it became too loose or unplayable) After about 3 hours, I started to see a little more string movement than I am used to with my standard setup, but it seems to have stayed pretty steady since then. I will note that these strings seem to be easier on my gut than the Silver String, possibly due to some coating on them, even with the slightly increased movement.
Control: (predictable trajectory? performance on different strokes and swing speeds?) I have mixed reactions on this one. If I hit the ball cleanly, I would say control is improved over my normal setup. However, once in a while it just seemed like the ball just wouldn't bite the strings and it wouldn't go where I was trying to put it.
Compare to the string you use most often:Overall I would say it performs pretty similarly to what I use now. With more time I might become more comfortable with it. I do like that I get a little more life out of it before I start feeling it in my arm. I also felt like I could move my kick serves around a little better with this string.
Tension recommendations: (after hitting it, would you recommend a different tension? Why?) 54 lbs was probably about right for my usage.
Summary: List 1 or 2 primary likes and dislikes.
Likes: Slightly longer lasting than my normal setup and slightly better on serves, plus good touch on volleys
Dislikes: Some shots just didn't seem to come off the stringbed as cleanly as I am used to if everything wasn't perfect.
Overall I think it is an above average poly, but I wouldn't say it is special in any one area. It is definitely easier on my arm than ALU Power. It is a pretty good balance of everything, and I will use the other half on an upcoming string job. On the stringing note, it was definitely easier to string than a lot of poly's I have strung. It wasn't hard to weave or tie off at all, though I still didn't chance tying it off on a gut main.
Thanks for the test opportunity. I always enjoy them.
Volkl C10 Pro - Pacific Tough Gut 16L/Genesis Black Magic
Last edited by dode : 08-24-2012 at 02:51 PM.
|08-24-2012, 07:31 PM||#173|
Join Date: Mar 2004
Lefty Spin's 4G review:
Full set or hybrid: Used the string in the crosses with Babolat Natural Gut.
Tension used: Strung one racquet at 57 and the other at 59 just to get a sense of the string at two different tensions.
Regular set-up: Babolat VS Gut mains with Big Banger in the crosses strung at 57.
Racquet used during playtest: Prince EXO3 Tour (16x1
Power: Definately a more powerful string. Felt like balls were sailing more than I expected.
Feel: Decent feel not great. I actually feel like I have better touvh with my normal set-up even though this is a much softer string.
Spin: String offered more spin than normal set-up. In particular on my serve I felt the set-up offered more kick. I just had problems getting serves in.
Comfort: Definately a very comfortable poly. Feels softer that any of the other Luxilon polys. Probably the softest poly I have ever used.
Durability: Not an issue for me. I don't break the polys. The string is not showing any signs of wear.
Tension maintenance: This is probably a week point for this string. I feel the tension for this set-up dropped more than I would expect after only a couple hours of play.
Control: Probably slightly better than my normal set-up. My main issue was power and not keeping the ball in the court.
Compared to normal set-up: Just a little to powerful for me. I have a disclaimer to add later that I hope helps everyone.
Tension recommendations: I would recommend upper 50s to 60 for this string. I just felt there was a lot of power and balls were really sailing for me.
Summary: I need to add a disclaimer. I thought this was the string that we playtested for Luxilon earlier this year. It definately looked and felt the same during stringing. At that time I was using the Yonex rd ti-80 lite and the string played completely different. Either the string was different this time or it is not a good match with the EXO3 tour. The EXO3 tour is a very soft frame so maybe this string should be used in a stiffer frame. I really liked it in the Yonex and I didn't like it nearly as much in the Prince.
Once again thank TW for the opportunity to try the string.
|08-24-2012, 10:26 PM||#174|
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: east bay CA
Full set or hybrid- Full set
Tension used for playtest- 57 lbs
Regular string set up- Solinco Revolution 57 lbs
Racquet brand and model used for test- Donnay X-Dual Silver 99
Power of test string- This string packs a powerful punch. I really enjoyed the "pop" feeling off the string bed. Not too much power, for me it is just perfect
Feel- TMT. Too much touch. Man oh man, this is great at net for volleys and drop shots.
Spin- This is where I enjoy revolution a little bit better. There is spin there for the 4G, just not quite enough for my liking. Moderate spin, I should say
Comfort- Very nice on the arm. Not too soft though. Not mushy. Very nice
Durability- Unfortunately I cannot comment as it broke on a shank around 5 hrs. It seemed to have 1 or 2 hrs left.
Tension maintenance (how long before it became too loose or unplayable)- After 5 hrs, it was still great.
Control (predictable trajectory? performance on different strokes and swing speeds?)- Very predictable trajectory, a little bit better on flatter shots for me. It felt better when i swung out.
Compare to the string you use most often
Tension recommendations (after hitting it, would you recommend a different tension? Why?)- For me, the tension was just fine. I string higher anyways, but even when it loosens up a little it feels great.
Summary: The feel and pop of this string were fantastic. Could not ask for more. Very much a fantastic all around string, except a little lacking on the spin side for me.
Thanks TW for a fantastic playtest!
Donnay National Team
|08-24-2012, 10:28 PM||#175|
Join Date: Nov 2010
Luxilon 4G playtest
Full set or hybrid: Hybrid with 4G main and Perfect spin Sythetic cross
Tension used for playtest: 54lbs main; 59lbs cross
Regular string set up: Supra Gut main(59lbs) with Iontec cross(54lbs)
Racquet brand and model used for test: Wilson BLX Tour 90
Power of test string: String bed does not seem to have that much power. In fact, on the very 1st swing, with my normal Semi-western grip, the ball actually landed short. After making adjustment, string bed feels.
Feel: Comparing to my regular set up, I would give it 70% if my regular set up is at 100%.
Spin: Similar to my regular setup. Not much more or less. I believe I derive my spin from hitting more so than coming from the string.
Comfort: Again, comparing to my regular setup, I would give it a 80% if my normal set up is 100%.
Durability: Don't know yet. Only played with it for 2 hours.
Tension maintenance (how long before it became too loose or unplayable)
Control (predictable trajectory? performance on different strokes and swing speeds?): Don't know yet since I only hit with it for about 2 hours.
Compare to the string you use most often
Tension recommendations (after hitting it, would you recommend a different tension? Why?) I think if I make this my regular string, I can keep it at the same tension and would be fine with me.
Summary: Dislike: This string seems to have a bit more coil memory. I had a little trouble isolating 1/2 of the string for hybrid. Seems to tangle a bit more than other strings(multi or poly) that I had tried. It's not that big of deal. Like: Stringing it was pretty easy. Feels soft enough for a Poly and does not hurt my arm.
|08-24-2012, 11:23 PM||#176|
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Eagle Rock, Los Angeles, CA
TW/TT - Thanks for another playtest!
Luxilon - Cheers to you as well!
Full set or hybrid
Tension used for playtest
Regular string set up
-Various multifilament strings with Gamma Live Wire XP being my fav - 57 lbs
Racquet brand and model used for test
-Borris Becker DC London (Leather grip and lead at 3/9 & 5/7)
Power of test string
-Very low power. I was able to swing away (granted that a proper stroke was used) on ground strokes. I found myself having to work pretty hard to get the ball deep. Probably lost a bit of pace on the 2nd serve
-Coming from livelier strings, this was surprisingly not as dead as I thought it would be. It was also pretty comfortable for someone who has suffered from GE. Ground strokes where rewarded with solid feedback when in the sweet spot. Off centered shots weren't as jarring as I'd expect. Overheads/serves also felt nice. I enjoyed half volleys with this, finding myself just using my momentum of moving towards the net to help get the ball back. At the net was pretty fun too. Cutting off solid ground strokes with the low powered strings plus the control was great. The ball would just drop and stay low.
-With the low power of the string I had to increase the racquet head speed through contact. This seemed to give the ball some nice spin but not as much spin as I expected. I was still was able to deliver a heavy ball that would jump. I found my Live Wire set up to pocket the ball better and producing decent amount of spin with the same or even less effort than with the 4G. Loopy strokes where a bit more rewarding though and the poly strings would slide and snap back.
-Again, pretty comfortable for someone who suffered from GE and has stayed away from poly for almost a year. I played during the early morning, mid day, and a night match. Granted it is summer and the evenings aren't that cold, I was happy to not have any discomfort when the evening temps came around
-With about 4.5 hours of doubles and 1.5 hours of singles, the string shows a little bit of notching. I think I could get another 10 hours before it breaks or before a pair of scissors finds their way to it.
Tension maintenance (how long before it became too loose or unplayable)
-I played with the strings about 12 hours after it was strung. It took about 10-15 minutes before I got comfortable with the poly. I could feel a slight change in the bed as it seemed to settle. Tension seemed to be very consistent for about 5 hours with maybe a tiny bit of tension loss. Strings would slide back easily and only towards the end of my last game did I see the strings stick a bit (if only a little bit). That was during the night game. I will see how they play during the day over the weekend.
Control (predictable trajectory? performance on different strokes and swing speeds?)
-With the loss of pace on the serves, I did find myself to have nice control over a shot down the T or out wide. Same type of control (but not as much action compared to Live Wire) on my slice and kick serves.
Return of serve was pretty nice and I found myself thinking I had tons of real-estate hitting cross court in doubles because of the control of the string. Should I need to whip it down the alley, I just needed to change my follow through or wrist snap a bit more.
With keeping the eye on the ball through contact, I was confident on the direction of my ground strokes to either the back hand or fore hand of my opponent. Most of the shots I found favorable with this string where semi flat. I would hit through the ball with just a bit of topspin for good measure. I could hit a bit more topspin but I was getting tired having to really explode on the ball through contact towards the end of my singles match.
Compare to the string you use most often
-You really have to earn everything from this string. I think a well conditioned player with a full and fast swing will benefit from this 4G string. Either a semi flat or even a topspin player would enjoy this. It has more control and predictability than my multi set up. With I played with same level of player or lower for me I found myself doing well with the 4G. With higher level and heavy paced balls, I had trouble since my preparation wasn't as fast as it should be. Live Wire XP has more free power and I think helps me when facing stronger and better opponents.
Tension recommendations (after hitting it, would you recommend a different tension? Why?)
-I wouldn't hesitate to use the same tension. The only reason I'd go lower than 48 lbs is to experiment on the low tension train of thought for polys and maybe a bit more spin.
Summary: List 1 or 2 primary likes and dislikes.
Control and low power of the string (able to swing away)
Low power of the string get's to you when you are tired or not as well seasoned as other players. The set up is not forgiving if the player doesn't have good racquet head speed through contact. I also didn't like how there wasn't as much action or movement of the ball as compared to Live Wire XP or a couple other poly's I've tried before my elbow got hurt.
If it's in the $6-8 range I would consider buying.
Married into a tennis fam-trying2keep up after4knee surgeries. I almost have more racquets than my wife and in-laws (don't tell the wife)
|08-25-2012, 11:25 AM||#177|
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: 2D plane of existence
Full set or hybrid Full set
Tension used for playtest 52 lbs
Regular string set up Gosen Micro OG and Pro Supex Big Ace
Racquet brand and model used for test ProKennex Silver Ace 90
Power of test string The power was about average, nothing too powerful yet not underpowered. I had to take a slightly bigger backswing to compensate.
Feel Feel for me was exceptional, from the baseline or net play, I could really feel all of my shots coming into and out of my string bed. I hit some pretty amazing volleys and half volleys with these strings when I tested them.
Spin About average, was not expecting too much because it was a smooth poly. Ground strokes had to be hit with a little more racquet head speed brushing up.
Comfort Very comfortable, especially at net. No bad vibrations or anything when hitting groundstrokes on the edge.
Durability Pretty good durability, notching came around the second day of play testing, so around 5 hours.
Tension maintenance For me the tension started to drop the first 10 or 20 minutes of playing with the string, it dropped a little bit but was noticeable. After the initial drop off period it stayed pretty solid. After around 15 hours of testing the strings were starting to lose their playability for me, but still playable for a couple more days.
Control Control was definitely there, it was pretty low powered so I was able to aim the ball pretty easily with each groundstroke. Volleys were the main plus for these strings in terms of control. I could hit volleys deep or short angled easily with precision. Serves were pretty good as well, though I did have a little trouble on the slice out wide.
Compare to the string you use most often Power, Spin, and Tension maintenance of the 4g were beaten with my original setup. However if I had hybrid it with some gut or synthetic gut in the crosses it could match up with my original setup.
Tension recommendations I strung it at 52lbs, I would suggest going down a pound or two to add some power, or hybrid it with some gut or synthetic gut.
Summary: List 1 or 2 primary likes and dislikes.
Likes: Control and Feel were great.
Dislikes: Power was the only real problem, though it was only a little thing that I sort of disliked.
If its in the 10-14 dollar range I would definitely try some more in combinations.
|08-25-2012, 11:44 AM||#178|
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Eugene, OR
Strung at m:53 x:50
Usual string: signum pro poly hextreme at same tension
Racquet: yonex rdis 200 mp
String power: lower powered, gave a good ability to really swing away without fear of flyers
Feel: better than most polys, not dead but not crisp just solid. You can feel the ball on the strings and it gives clean feedback.
Spin: OK but not crazy. It was very average for spin both topspin and slices and spin was not the most memorable part of this string.
Comfort: fairly arm friendly not at all harsh. Not a string for people with bad elbows or shoulders but if strung at a reasonable tension shouldn't cause a problem
Durability: I cut it out at 10 hours. Tension held well for the first 4 hours of singles play, but even after loosening up it was still playable. I cut it out due to string movement and it was starting to feel dead at the very end. Overall it didn't break and lasted as long as I would have expected of any poly. Only slight notching was visible when I cut it out
Tension maintenance: good stable tension for 4 hours then a drop but still playable until it died for me at 10 hours
Control: this was where the string shined for me. I felt like like I was able to direct the ball side to side and deep or short at will. As long as I made a good pass on the ball I was rewarded with this strings placement. Serves were especially beneficial for me as I don't hit many flat bombs but move it around the box and this string covered the lines for me. The only adjustment I had to make was the ball came off flatter from the string bed.
Compared to hextreme: 4g is not as spin friendly but felt more precise. Also 4g was less powerful so I had to create more on my own. The biggest thing for me was the feel though, hextreme is ultra crisp and 4g was clean but not crisp. This is why I play hextreme over other strings and the only thing 4g truly fell a bit short on for me.
Tension recommendation: this is a string that I would say needs to be strung in the low 50's or the 40's. Higher tension could cause it to be crazy low powered and it may become harsh
Summary: control was at the forefront with this string and really outshines the other positives for me. There was no major drawback for me, but this string overall just didn't make me say wow. I did miss some spin I've gotten from other strings
Thanks you tennis warehouse
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|08-25-2012, 03:00 PM||#179|
Join Date: Aug 2011
Just an update: I think that this string is meant for flat hitters, someone like a soderling or del potro. Nice feel all around, but I just never felt like I was grabbing the ball. Tension wise, I think that it stayed the same, which is a plus.
Dunlop Aerogel 4d 300 Tour w/leather & 4 grams lead at 3&9, Tourna Big Hitter Black 7 16 48 lbs
|08-25-2012, 07:08 PM||#180|
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Join Date: Feb 2004
2012 Luxilon PlayTest "4G" - SteveI
I have been testing two frames with a hybrid of this string (mains) and Head PPS 16 (crosses) in match play, drilling and practice sessions. I also used these frames to feedballs to students. The total playtest window was 2 weeks for both frames. I alternated frames to get appox. 30 hours of total test time.
Your regular string set up: Tourna Big Hitter Silver 17g and Head PPS 16G.
Prototype Tested: 4G Gold String
Hybrid: with with Head PPS 16G in crosses
Tension: Test String 4G (50) / Head PPS 16G (4
Racquet Used in Playtest: Dunlop 400G modified (11.6 / 8 points HL)
The frame strung up with very little problem. String was very stiff while stringing. With my drop weight stringer, I needed almost no adjustment to obtain the proper setting. The string settled nicely. No extra stringing time over my normal setup. The string stretched very little.
During the 2 or 3 hours or so the string played very stiff with little feel and power then broke-in somewhat. Power level was low to medium in my testing cycle. Not easy at all to create power and pace. I was swinging hard, fast and landing shots with great control. The problem was all my shots were coming back. I was getting pushed all over the place and not really causing any problems for the players on the other side of the net. I seemed to be crushing balls and the stringbed had it a great pop sound coming from the sweetspot on serves, but again I was under attack off both serves. I felt like a 98 pound weakling when using this string. Even droping the tension based on others experince did not help. Spin generation was below average and my kick serves and top spin ground strokes looked like battling practice.
I really did not enjoyed the feel of this string. I could not employ touch when needed. Comfort was average, but never have arm issues so I really can't comment on how players with arm issues might respond to this string. No arm issues to be reported. Even off center hits did not cause any issues. When the string not not play stiff, I would say more on the crisp side...I hated the lack of feel and power and had no connection to the stringbed.
While this is not my most complete string report and review, I feel I spent more than enough time to really understand the attributes of this string. Very low power, low spin production and lack of feel. Since my game is very much all court in nature this string was a loser for me. The control was wonderful as was tension holding. String almost never moved even in a hybrid set-up. If someone was to string this in a full bed at high tension in a low powered frame I am sure they would have to swing for fences just to get the ball past the service line on ground strokes.
Overall, I did not love this string for all the reason stated above. I think they have a winner here in the baseline basher market. Based on the prices of other highend Luxilon strings, I know I would not play or stock this string or really push it on anyone other than a certain type of player with hard, fast and long swings.
Happy hitting TW and Luxilon.... (Thanks for the great Tee... )