Need Help ASAP in this Appeal

FedHenry · 08-06-2012, 11:57 AM

I'm the captain of my 3.5 team and were playing the sectionals championship this weekend. Long Story short we lost on the Quarterfinals 2-3. One of the other teams Singles players destroy my #1 singles player 6-1,6-2. My guy has only lost once all season. Then i got informed (some random guy watching the games) That i should appeal their singles player ranking. After looking and asking around we found out that he played College Tennis (NCAA Div 2) for 3 seasons (04,05,06), he haven't played this season a single game until the final two games because he was training and competing to qualify for the OLYMPICS!!! in beach volleyball for Puerto Rico. He is Self Rated also and enrolled to play on their team on the league July/11/12. He on all-court skills were amazing, he didnt missed a smash and hit them with authority and confidence every single one, he punish the short ball with the forehand every time and a great serve.
All in all i dont really want to go through this appeal, i was the one who lost on the Super Tie 10-8

and i'm gonna look like a sore loser. But my team want me to do it.
Do i have something here??
Thanks for your replies

OrangePower · 08-06-2012, 12:14 PM

If this guy really is an ex-DII player still in his twenties, then he cannot self-rate at 3.5. You would win a self-rating grievance appeal.

But are you sure it's really the same guy? I just find it hard to believe that a 20-something DII college player who is also an olympic-caliber volleyball player would care about 3.5 tennis. Seems a bit of a downward step in competition intensity from Olympics qualifying to 3.5 tennis.

Govnor · 08-06-2012, 12:23 PM

yeah, not sure he is a legit 3.5 by the sounds of it!

goober · 08-06-2012, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by FedHenry

I'm the captain of my 3.5 team and were playing the sectionals championship this weekend. Long Story short we lost on the Quarterfinals 2-3. One of the other teams Singles players destroy my #1 singles player 6-1,6-2. My guy has only lost once all season. Then i got informed (some random guy watching the games) That i should appeal their singles player ranking. After looking and asking around we found out that he played College Tennis (NCAA Div 2) for 3 seasons (04,05,06), he haven't played this season a single game until the final two games because he was training and competing to qualify for the OLYMPICS!!! in beach volleyball for Puerto Rico. He is Self Rated also and enrolled to play on their team on the league July/11/12. He on all-court skills were amazing, he didnt missed a smash and hit them with authority and confidence every single one, he punish the short ball with the forehand every time and a great serve.
All in all i dont really want to go through this appeal, i was the one who lost on the Super Tie 10-8

and i'm gonna look like a sore loser. But my team want me to do it.
Do i have something here??
Thanks for your replies

So he didn't qualify for the Olympics and decided to play 3.5 USTA sectionals instead? Somehow it doesn't sound right.

But you could file a greivance based on his college record. He will probably get DQ'ed with such lopsided scores.

Angle Queen · 08-06-2012, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by FedHenry

I'm the captain of my 3.5 team...

All in all i dont really want to go through this appeal, i was the one who lost on the Super Tie 10-8

and i'm gonna look like a sore loser. But my team want me to do it.

Stinks being a captain sometimes, doesn't it.

But you are the captain, and if you really don't want to do it, then don't.

That said, if you're sure you've got the right guy/background, I'd say you have a fairly serious case worth pursuing....but only if your district/section will go back and reverse the match score...allowing your team to advance in their stead. If that's not the case, find out who they're playing next...and hand them all your research. If it's in some sort of playoffs, they might be able to file things prior to a match getting underway and preventing him from participating.

Keep us posted on what you decided and how it turns out, please. I have a personal interest in these cases where a self-rate does in fact grossly affect the outcome of post-season play.

JLyon · 08-06-2012, 01:25 PM

a little late to file a greivance now, most Sections require it be done about 2 weeks out at least before sectionals. Best case would be he gets triple bumped to 5.0 and is suspended for 6 months as well as the captain being suspended for such a blatant self-rate, provided you are sure, you have the correct player and college experience

JLyon · 08-06-2012, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangePower

If this guy really is an ex-DII player still in his twenties, then he cannot self-rate at 3.5. You would win a self-rating grievance appeal.

But are you sure it's really the same guy? I just find it hard to believe that a 20-something DII college player who is also an olympic-caliber volleyball player would care about 3.5 tennis. Seems a bit of a downward step in competition intensity from Olympics qualifying to 3.5 tennis.

n/m my reading comprehension sucks, my bad

leroy_sunset · 08-06-2012, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by JLyon

What does that say about the OP when he only loses 10-8 in MTB to what could be a 5.0 player at 3.5? Sandbag much?

I think he meant that he lost his own match to a different opponent. The shellacking was perpetrated against one of his players.

tenniscasey · 08-06-2012, 01:43 PM

D2 tennis is a rather drastic step down from D1. And he played in it six years ago. The 3.5 rate isnt obviously unreasonable to me.

OrangePower · 08-06-2012, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by tenniscasey

D2 tennis is a rather drastic step down from D1. And he played in it six years ago. The 3.5 rate isnt obviously unreasonable to me.

Well... agree that D2 is a big step down from D1... but still a young ex-D2 player rating as 3.5 is way beyond reason - see guidelines here:

http://assets.usta.com/assets/1/15/E...2011_V2pdf.pdf

Or perhaps you were being sarcastic

Actually, even with very limited tennis experience, a young Olympic-caliber volleyball player should not be self-rating at 3.5. With that kind of athletic ability and hand-eye-ball coordination, such a player would improve very drastically very quickly.

Having said all that I still think there is some misidentification going on here. I don't see an Olympic hopeful having any motiviation to dominate at 3.5 tennis.

goober · 08-06-2012, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by tenniscasey

D2 tennis is a rather drastic step down from D1. And he played in it six years ago. The 3.5 rate isnt obviously unreasonable to me.

Well he would have to rate 4.5 if he is 26-35 and he played on an unranked team with no scholies or 5.5 otherwise according to the experienced players guidelines.

There is no way an ex D2 tennis player still in his 20s and obviously in fantastic shape from preparing for the olympics would be a 3.5. But I have seen a 26 year old ex D1 player with a 4.0C rating so who knows how these things work.

FedHenry · 08-06-2012, 02:47 PM

Thanks for all the replies
The other captain is one of those who covers all the island searching for talent and building a dream team. But he is a famous Sportcaster here on the island so he has pull. As far as their singles players go, he play in AVP and Norceca beach circuit and he even has a WIKIPEDIA page (i know its funny) The PR Olympic team cut funds in beach volleyball that's why he didnt when over.

FedHenry · 08-06-2012, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangePower

Well... agree that D2 is a big step down from D1... but still a young ex-D2 player rating as 3.5 is way beyond reason - see guidelines here:

http://assets.usta.com/assets/1/15/E...2011_V2pdf.pdf

Or perhaps you were being sarcastic

Actually, even with very limited tennis experience, a young Olympic-caliber volleyball player should not be self-rating at 3.5. With that kind of athletic ability and hand-eye-ball coordination, such a player would improve very drastically very quickly.

Having said all that I still think there is some misidentification going on here. I don't see an Olympic hopeful having any motiviation to dominate at 3.5 tennis.

You save my behind with this info. This is going in the appeal Now
So thanks

FedHenry · 08-06-2012, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by JLyon

What does that say about the OP when he only loses 10-8 in MTB to what could be a 5.0 player at 3.5? Sandbag much?

I was the one who lost the deciding 3rd double 4-6,7-6,8-10

FedHenry · 08-06-2012, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by tenniscasey

D2 tennis is a rather drastic step down from D1. And he played in it six years ago. The 3.5 rate isnt obviously unreasonable to me.

I got new info now and he played 06-09

beernutz · 08-06-2012, 03:15 PM

Are you sure he played D2? I don't find any record of him here: http://www.collegetennisonline.com

FWIW G.A.F or W.C., you provided more than enough information to find the player you were talking about using tennislink.

beernutz · 08-06-2012, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by tenniscasey

D2 tennis is a rather drastic step down from D1. And he played in it six years ago. The 3.5 rate isnt obviously unreasonable to me.

The idea that any mid-20s former college player, D2 or otherwise, should be playing 3.5 is insane.

jmnk · 08-06-2012, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by beernutz

The idea that any mid-20s former college player, D2 or otherwise, should be playing 3.5 is insane.

or that such player would lose 3games to a 3.5 player....

goober · 08-06-2012, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by beernutz

Are you sure he played D2? I don't find any record of him here: http://www.collegetennisonline.com

FWIW G.A.F or W.C., you provided more than enough information to find the player you were talking about using tennislink.

Maybe he played D2 vollyball?

FedHenry · 08-06-2012, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by goober

Maybe he played D2 vollyball?

He is part of the PR National Team

in both court and beach

08-06-2012, 01:25 PM	#6
JLyon Hall Of Fame Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: AR Posts: 2,294	a little late to file a greivance now, most Sections require it be done about 2 weeks out at least before sectionals. Best case would be he gets triple bumped to 5.0 and is suspended for 6 months as well as the captain being suspended for such a blatant self-rate, provided you are sure, you have the correct player and college experience __________________ Dunlop Bio 300 48/53 lbs. A cruel joke by USTA putting my 4.0 butt at 5.0 for future butt kickings

08-06-2012, 03:15 PM	#16
beernutz Hall Of Fame Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: expanding my Ignore List Posts: 3,334	Are you sure he played D2? I don't find any record of him here: http://www.collegetennisonline.com FWIW G.A.F or W.C., you provided more than enough information to find the player you were talking about using tennislink. __________________ I have come to the conclusion that people who respond to forum posts with "tl;dnr" should really be writing "add;dnr".

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