Federer's most humiliating beatdowns

[Nadalgaenger]

With the exception of the legendary beatdown by Nadal in the FO '08 (6-1, 6-3, 6-0) I don't recall seeing Fed dominated in a match so thoroughly in a best of 5 format on a big stage.

Was the Murray loss the second most convincing beatdown of his career?

[Bartelby]

Not a really interesting defeat because it comes late in his career, whereas the Nadal loss was the end of any possibility of beating Nadal at the FO and was followed by the Wimbledon loss.

This was also a home Olympics for Murray and he thrived on the occasion rather than being daunted by it.

History is written after the event so what follows for both players after this match will determine how its seen.

[Nadalgaenger]

Well, the next time Fed played Nadal at the French, he gave him a good run for his money ('11).

Has anybody besides Djokovic, Nadal or Murray straight-setted Fed?

[kishnabe]

Originally Posted by Bartelby

Not a really interesting defeat because it comes late in his career, whereas the Nadal loss was the end of any possibility of beating Nadal at the FO and was followed by the Wimbledon loss.

This was also a home Olympics for Murray and he thrived on the occasion rather than being daunted by it.

History is written after the event so what follows for both players after this match will determine how its seen.

Nice Untardish way of putting it.

[smoledman]

Originally Posted by Nadalgaenger

Well, the next time Fed played Nadal at the French, he gave him a good run for his money ('11).

Has anybody besides Djokovic, Nadal or Murray straight-setted Fed?

2002 Wimbledon - Ancic
2004 FO - Guga

[ST_spitzertelescope]

It would have been worse for him if he had felt he should have won. It turned out he knew he made plenty of errors so it wasn't a shock. On top of that is the fact that he's still No. 1 and looking forward to US open and he got a silver, not a loss.

He also dislikes djokovic so he may have been happy for his more likened player Delpo to win bronze.

[Nadalgaenger]

Originally Posted by smoledman

2002 Wimbledon - Ancic
2004 FO - Guga

Ok, so we can't really count 2002 because Fed was not yet FED.

So 2004 was the last person not named Djokovic, Nadal or Murray straight-setted him?

[smoledman]

Originally Posted by ST_spitzertelescope

It would have been worse for him if he had felt he should have won. It turned out he knew he made plenty of errors so it wasn't a shock. On top of that is the fact that he's still No. 1 and looking forward to US open and he got a silver, not a loss.

He also dislikes djokovic so he may have been happy for his more likened player Delpo to win bronze.

Federer looked 100% spent after D-Pot, he basically admitted it would be a miracle for him to win the final.

[smoledman]

Originally Posted by Nadalgaenger

Ok, so we can't really count 2002 because Fed was not yet FED.

So 2004 was the last person not named Djokovic, Nadal or Murray straight-setted him?

Yeah and that 2004 FO loss happens to be the last slam before his 33 QF streak he is on.

[Nadalgaenger]

Originally Posted by smoledman

Yeah and that 2004 FO loss happens to be the last slam before his 33 QF streak he is on.

Nobody cares about a QF streak. It basically demonstrates he can dominate the field, the Rosols and the like. Fed's greatest streak was the 10 straight GS finals.

Anyway, as a Fed fan, it was pretty shocking to watch yesterday's demolition...

[Tennis_Hands]

Originally Posted by Nadalgaenger

Nobody cares about a QF streak. It basically demonstrates he can dominate the field, the Rosols and the like. ...

If that is so easy, why hasn't Nadal done it?

Originally Posted by Nadalgaenger

Fed's greatest streak was the 10 straight GS finals.

He has so many, that it is hard to say which one is his greatest streak.

Originally Posted by Nadalgaenger

Anyway, as a Fed fan, it was pretty shocking to watch yesterday's demolition...

You are not a Federer fan, so you have no idea what you are talking about.

[TennisBatman]

Originally Posted by Nadalgaenger

With the exception of the legendary beatdown by Nadal in the FO '08 (6-1, 6-3, 6-0) I don't recall seeing Fed dominated in a match so thoroughly in a best of 5 format on a big stage.

Was the Murray loss the second most convincing beatdown of his career?

In terms of the effect on public perception, I would even put it above the FO 2008 by Nadal. At that time, it was already widely known that Nadal was the superior player at the French Open, and the result only confirmed that idea.

With OL 2012, we have a case where the result actually changes the public perception of the two players...very much like Federer's close but devastating loss to Nadal at AO 2009.

As Nadal's match revealed that he was solid competition for Federer on hardcourt matches, in the same way Murray's match revealed that he is solid competition for Federer on grass matches.

It's not so much the margin--although that also adds to the public perception--but the contrast in public perception between the expected result and the actual result, that makes this match significant, like AO 2009.

[Nadalgaenger]

Originally Posted by TennisBatman

In terms of the effect on public perception, I would even put it above the FO 2008 by Nadal. At that time, it was already widely known that Nadal was the superior player at the French Open, and the result only confirmed that idea.

With OL 2012, we have a case where the result actually changes the public perception of the two players...very much like Federer's close but devastating loss to Nadal at AO 2009.

As Nadal's match revealed that he was solid competition for Federer on hardcourt matches, in the same way Murray's match revealed that he is solid competition for Federer on grass matches.

It's not so much the margin--although that also adds to the public perception--but the contrast in public perception between the expected result and the actual result, that makes this match significant, like AO 2009.

Nice point. I basically agree, but I think it tarnishes Fed's legacy as a dominant grass court player.

Fed losing to the clay GOAT is one thing, but being obliterated by Murray on grass is another.

[smoledman]

Originally Posted by Nadalgaenger

Nice point. I basically agree, but I think it tarnishes Fed's legacy as a dominant grass court player.

Fed losing to the clay GOAT is one thing, but being obliterated by Murray on grass is another.

Fed was already obliterated by that semi.

[Mainad]

Originally Posted by Nadalgaenger

Has anybody besides Djokovic, Nadal or Murray straight-setted Fed?

Nalbandian did several times. The last time was at the 2007 Paris Masters (he won 6-4,7-6).

[smoledman]

Originally Posted by Mainad

Nalbandian did several times. The last time was at the 2007 Paris Masters (he won 6-4,7-6).

But notice Federer never gets straight setted by nobodies like Nadal.

[Netspirit]

Can you please ban this reincarnation of NSK? Thanks.

[Nadalgaenger]

Originally Posted by Mainad

Nalbandian did several times. The last time was at the 2007 Paris Masters (he won 6-4,7-6).

right, Fed has lost plenty of smaller tournaments in straights, but how many times in best of 5?

This Olympic match was huge--the only thing of consequence he'd never won. It was basically a worst case scenario for him.

[Nadalgaenger]

Originally Posted by smoledman

But notice Federer never gets straight setted by nobodies like Nadal.

Which nobodies do you mean? Tsonga? Del Potro? Both of those guys are capable of beating anybody when they are on.

[Nadalgaenger]

Originally Posted by smoledman

Fed was already obliterated by that semi.

Well, why wasn't Del Potro? He managed to straight set Djokovic!