The USTA wants self rates by whatever means necessary - Page 3

spot · 08-17-2012, 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by floridatennisdude

Two reasons they have nationals...

1) gives the USTA a measuring stick to balance NTRP on a nationwide scale

2) provides additional revenue. Both to the USTA and to the host city's tourism.

Just out of curiosity- how does the USTA make money off of nationals? I don't think that teams pay a fee to participate.

dode · 08-17-2012, 05:31 AM

Yes there is an entry fee for nationals. I believe it is $500 per team.

John

spot · 08-17-2012, 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by dode

Yes there is an entry fee for nationals. I believe it is $500 per team.

Wow. I had no idea.

Cindysphinx · 08-17-2012, 05:50 AM

I think it was $400. Our local league kicked in part of the cost.

I woulnt assume USTA makes a lot of money on it, though. They host a dinner, pay officials, pay for court usage at places like Indian Wells, provide pretty nice crystal trophies . . .

Joeyg · 08-17-2012, 07:17 AM

This is a very funny thread. If anyone doesn't think the USTA is in the money making business....Well, suffice it to say that they are a tad naive.

All of the decisions regarding length of matches, self rating, allowing people on multiple teams, etc are all essentially a way for them to increase the dollar flow. To hear USTA drones go on and on about growing the game is a joke. They are in the money making business, period!

texacali · 08-17-2012, 07:34 AM

Wonder what it would be like to draft teams in league? All players who list as 3.5 or whatever by a certain date are placed into a pool...each listed captain then picks from the pool in some order that may distribute the talent equally. I think this takes away from those teams who intentionally stack their teams with recruited sandbaggers.

I know part of creating a team is the social, friendship aspect but I don't think there is particular loyalty to any team when recruiting comes around and players move from team to team.

Just a thought. I haven't played league all that long, but have noticed that there are teams built to make the playoffs which make for an imbalance in the divisional league.

goober · 08-17-2012, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by texacali

Wonder what it would be like to draft teams in league? All players who list as 3.5 or whatever by a certain date are placed into a pool...each listed captain then picks from the pool in some order that may distribute the talent equally. I think this takes away from those teams who intentionally stack their teams with recruited sandbaggers.

I know part of creating a team is the social, friendship aspect but I don't think there is particular loyalty to any team when recruiting comes around and players move from team to team.

Just a thought. I haven't played league all that long, but have noticed that there are teams built to make the playoffs which make for an imbalance in the divisional league.

Wouldn't work. Teams in the same district can be very far distances from each other. If I got drafted on a team 45 minutes away- I am not playing. Playing with a random group of guys at a random tennis center is not going to work for most people.

Plus unless this was instituted nationwide teams coming out of a district that did this would almost certainly get smoked in sectionals against stacked teams that didn't have this requirement.

gameboy · 08-17-2012, 08:20 AM

If stop caring about going to sectionals, then this is a non-issue...

dode · 08-17-2012, 08:38 AM

Nationals this year says that the team entry fee is $500 plus $51.03 processing fee. Ouch.

John

goober · 08-17-2012, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by dode

Nationals this year says that the team entry fee is $500 plus $51.03 processing fee. Ouch.

John

Yah but nationals T-shirts you can wear back at the club, plastic trophies and immense respect you gain from your peers is priceless

floridatennisdude · 08-17-2012, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by texacali

Wonder what it would be like to draft teams in league? All players who list as 3.5 or whatever by a certain date are placed into a pool...each listed captain then picks from the pool in some order that may distribute the talent equally. I think this takes away from those teams who intentionally stack their teams with recruited sandbaggers.

I know part of creating a team is the social, friendship aspect but I don't think there is particular loyalty to any team when recruiting comes around and players move from team to team.

Just a thought. I haven't played league all that long, but have noticed that there are teams built to make the playoffs which make for an imbalance in the divisional league.

We had a league in North Florida that was a draft league with trades and all. It was cool, but I haven't heard if it is going to be happening again. Folks liked it...

http://funngun.com/tennis/standings.php?Season=S12

g4driver · 08-17-2012, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by spot

Just out of curiosity- how does the USTA make money off of nationals? I don't think that teams pay a fee to participate.

The fee for state is $250 per team and then $20 per person. Our local league is kind enough to pay the fees for all teams that advance to state. That is very nice of them to do and teams are appreciative.

Give we have very low fees of just $12 per league per person, our local players are getting a great deal with the low $12 per league fee.

g4driver · 08-17-2012, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by floridatennisdude

We had a league in North Florida that was a draft league with trades and all. It was cool, but I haven't heard if it is going to be happening again. Folks liked it...

http://funngun.com/tennis/standings.php?Season=S12

That is very cool. Like Fantasy Football . Hahaha

dizzlmcwizzl · 08-17-2012, 01:30 PM

Have played the first 2 matches of sectionals today. In our two matches my partner and i played 4 self rated players with their average age ... 18

Of the 4 players 1 was clearly out of level .... 1 one is probalbly a 4.5 but It is not embarrassing and the other two were legitimate top tier 4.0s

We ended up splitting matches but both went to match tie breaks.

What is interesting to note is that one of the teams that won their local league and should have gone to sectionals had nearly half their team dq'd. So the local league ended up sending the 2nd place team ... Also with 5 self rates.

There are rumors that several players are near dqing .... But that rumor circulates very year

dizzlmcwizzl · 08-18-2012, 01:29 PM

Split matches again today. Finally played someone who is old enough to vote .... Almost kidding

I would conservatively say that out of 25 self rated players that could have been here, 3 are definately 4.5s and another 2 certainly could be. The others are appropriately placed.

There was one player dq'd today which was definately appropriate. He won his 1st two matches 1 and 0 and the played dubs. In the third match he played with a buddy of mine and I asked him If he was there to drop games and keep him from striking out ... His response was "was it that Obvious "..... I pointed out he was cheating and he walked away.

There were two interesting rules questions that came up which I will put in an another thread.

J_R_B · 08-20-2012, 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by dizzlmcwizzl

Split matches again today. Finally played someone who is old enough to vote .... Almost kidding

I would conservatively say that out of 25 self rated players that could have been here, 3 are definately 4.5s and another 2 certainly could be. The others are appropriately placed.

There was one player dq'd today which was definately appropriate. He won his 1st two matches 1 and 0 and the played dubs. In the third match he played with a buddy of mine and I asked him If he was there to drop games and keep him from striking out ... His response was "was it that Obvious "..... I pointed out he was cheating and he walked away.

There were two interesting rules questions that came up which I will put in an another thread.

LOL. I know exactly who that is. He beat Corey in the Cryan last year 1 & 1, and Corey clearly should have been bumped last year (he was in your boat of up at early start and back down at year end...). There's going to be a bunch of those college kids that went to high school together around here a couple years ago that are going to make up one hell of a 4.5 team next year if they all play USTA.

dizzlmcwizzl · 08-20-2012, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by J_R_B

LOL. I know exactly who that is. He beat Corey in the Cryan last year 1 & 1, and Corey clearly should have been bumped last year (he was in your boat of up at early start and back down at year end...). There's going to be a bunch of those college kids that went to high school together around here a couple years ago that are going to make up one hell of a 4.5 team next year if they all play USTA.

I had to laugh .. that team captain shamelessly cheats and gets players out of level and tells them to throw games ... anyway he ended up going 0-5 after having two of his top players DQ'd. We beat his team 3-2 in the first match with those players but once they got disqualified we ended up with the 5-0 win. That little victory made me smile.

The team that won it was better than us. And even though they have a couple self rates who are probably not legit ... after our injuries, they likely still would have beaten us without those players. They are just much deeper than we were. At least the kids I played were pleasant and not on court cheaters ...

dizzlmcwizzl · 08-20-2012, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by J_R_B

LOL. I know exactly who that is. He beat Corey in the Cryan last year 1 & 1, and Corey clearly should have been bumped last year (he was in your boat of up at early start and back down at year end...). There's going to be a bunch of those college kids that went to high school together around here a couple years ago that are going to make up one hell of a 4.5 team next year if they all play USTA.

Actually he was not an early start bump up ... we were surprised by that.

J_R_B · 08-20-2012, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by dizzlmcwizzl

I had to laugh .. that team captain shamelessly cheats and gets players out of level and tells them to throw games ... anyway he ended up going 0-5 after having two of his top players DQ'd. We beat his team 3-2 in the first match with those players but once they got disqualified we ended up with the 5-0 win. That little victory made me smile.

The team that won it was better than us. And even though they have a couple self rates who are probably not legit ... after our injuries, they likely still would have beaten us without those players. They are just much deeper than we were. At least the kids I played were pleasant and not on court cheaters ...

Yeah, all those Chinese guys they have playing doubles are B-rated and, like you guys, just getting better year after year. They have a couple self rates, but the core of the team is not.

08-17-2012, 05:31 AM	#42
dode Rookie Join Date: May 2009 Location: Kansas City Posts: 123	Yes there is an entry fee for nationals. I believe it is $500 per team. John __________________ Head Trisys 250 - Pacific Tough Gut 16L/Topspin Cyberflash Volkl C10 Pro - Pacific Tough Gut 16L/Genesis Black Magic

08-17-2012, 05:50 AM	#44
Cindysphinx G.O.A.T. Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 14,191	I think it was $400. Our local league kicked in part of the cost. I woulnt assume USTA makes a lot of money on it, though. They host a dinner, pay officials, pay for court usage at places like Indian Wells, provide pretty nice crystal trophies . . . __________________ -- Random Error Generator, Version 4.0 -- Master Moonballer

08-17-2012, 07:17 AM	#45
Joeyg Semi-Pro Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Sarcasm, USA Posts: 680	This is a very funny thread. If anyone doesn't think the USTA is in the money making business....Well, suffice it to say that they are a tad naive. All of the decisions regarding length of matches, self rating, allowing people on multiple teams, etc are all essentially a way for them to increase the dollar flow. To hear USTA drones go on and on about growing the game is a joke. They are in the money making business, period! __________________ If you don't have anything nice to say about someone, come sit down next to me!

08-17-2012, 08:38 AM	#49
dode Rookie Join Date: May 2009 Location: Kansas City Posts: 123	Nationals this year says that the team entry fee is $500 plus $51.03 processing fee. Ouch. John __________________ Head Trisys 250 - Pacific Tough Gut 16L/Topspin Cyberflash Volkl C10 Pro - Pacific Tough Gut 16L/Genesis Black Magic

08-17-2012, 01:30 PM	#54
dizzlmcwizzl Hall Of Fame Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: DE Posts: 1,764	Tales from sectionals Have played the first 2 matches of sectionals today. In our two matches my partner and i played 4 self rated players with their average age ... 18 Of the 4 players 1 was clearly out of level .... 1 one is probalbly a 4.5 but It is not embarrassing and the other two were legitimate top tier 4.0s We ended up splitting matches but both went to match tie breaks. What is interesting to note is that one of the teams that won their local league and should have gone to sectionals had nearly half their team dq'd. So the local league ended up sending the 2nd place team ... Also with 5 self rates. There are rumors that several players are near dqing .... But that rumor circulates very year __________________ "You should be playing linebacker, not singles."