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08-11-2012, 07:59 AM
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connors was still to hit his peak, borg was nowhere close to his best on grass ( that came in 76 - 3 years later ) , nastase displaying his inconsistent nature, crashed out ....... kodes 73 wimbledon title = weakest wimbledon of the open era ( weakest of all slam titles in the open era bar probably some of the joke AO fields in the late 70s and early 80s ) ......... Its a fact >>>> deal with it ... guys like roddick, lendl >>>>>>kodes on grass even guys like phillippoussis, murray, henman are better than kodes on grass ... 73 was prime borg ????????????? HA HA HA HA HA HA ...... you are really one heck of a clueless guy ........ you keep surprising me by pushing the limits of stupidity .......
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Becker,Edberg and Sampras would baggel him ( federer ) on fast indoor or grass more often than not. - the one and only kiki Last edited by abmk : 08-11-2012 at 08:06 AM. |
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08-11-2012, 08:06 AM
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08-11-2012, 08:09 AM
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He was able to defend a major title on two occasions. > USO 91-92 and AO 85-87 (there was no AO in 86). Becker by contrast only defended one major title (Wimbledon 85-86). Edberg also won three doubles majors - including doing the singles/doubles sweep at the 87 AO, an extremely rare feat worthy of tons of kudos imo. Edberg also won almost 100 more matches in his career than Becker (despite having a slightly lower career win-loss ratio) despite have a career which was around two years shorter.
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08-11-2012, 08:11 AM
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Coming back to the thread title, I think edberg is fairly rated by most - in the tier along with becker, wilander ...
one thing that that goes against him is the lack of a truly dominant year - never won more than one slam ...... missed out in 90 and 91 ..... could have won in the AO in 90 if not for injury, then the "unfortunate" match vs stich in 91 wimbledon where he was never broken, but lost the match in 4 sets ... one AO win on rebound ace or that final against Chang at the FO would certainly have elevated his resume quite a bit ......
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Becker,Edberg and Sampras would baggel him ( federer ) on fast indoor or grass more often than not. - the one and only kiki |
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08-11-2012, 08:12 AM
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Time doesn't stay still...tennis has changed a lot since the 60s.
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08-11-2012, 08:17 AM
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-.If Kodes didn´t play Connors,Borg or Nastase ( who had just won the FO ) it is not Jan´s fault, he reached the finals... -.Borg would hit his prime a year later, I didn´t say " prime" but " close to prime".In 73 he had already scored wins over guys that you may never heard of (Orantes,Ashe,Rosewall) -.Kodes beat Smith and lost to Newc at the 1973 USO and beat Newcombe and lost to Smith at the 1971 USO.Newcombe and Smith would laugh to death at the prospect of facing Henman,Roddick,Philipousis,Hewitt and, of course, Davidenkho.In fact, they´d probably WO. -.Jan beat all greats of his era: Connors,Laver,Rosewall,Newcombe,Nastase ( IN A GS FINALĦĦĦ),Smith,Ashe,Orantes,Gimeno,Roche etc etc.All of them multuimajor champs Henman? a human fail, just like Murray and Philipoussis. Roddick? a one timer.Good player who had the chance to play in the weakest era ever, so that he could even win a slam.If Edmondson or Teacher had played in this era, their AO title wouldn´t have been the only one...rememember Johansson? Sorry to slam in your face, once again.... 
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08-11-2012, 08:22 AM
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08-11-2012, 08:30 AM
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hewitt was tearing apart sampras as early as 2000 when he was just a teenager .... what makes you think he couldn't tear apart the inferior SnVers in Newk/Smith roddick with his serve and big FH could easily beat newk/smith as well davydenko can easily beat anyone on a HC ( and quite a few on clay as well ) Quote:
and roddick has beaten djoker, nadal, agassi ,sampras, safin , federer etc ... all multiple slam winners want me to go on ? bah, clueless ........ Quote:
As far as murray, scud are concerned, they were wayyyyyyyy better players in general than that mighty lucky Kodes .... Just unfortunate that they are playing in way tougher eras ( and in scud's case, affected by injuries as well) Quote:
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Becker,Edberg and Sampras would baggel him ( federer ) on fast indoor or grass more often than not. - the one and only kiki Last edited by abmk : 08-11-2012 at 08:35 AM. |
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08-11-2012, 08:35 AM
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and of course he didn't let slip away a break in the final set in the 90 wimbledon final vs edberg ...... oh wait  I bet he was mighty clutch in the RG semi vs edberg in 89 as well, oh wait ... becker was great mentally many of the times, but he could be flaky the other times .....
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Becker,Edberg and Sampras would baggel him ( federer ) on fast indoor or grass more often than not. - the one and only kiki Last edited by abmk : 08-11-2012 at 08:38 AM. |
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08-11-2012, 08:42 AM
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Philipoussis,Henmans,Murrays and Davidoffs, there were plenty of them in the 70´s and 80´s...you know why they weren´t even aknowledged? easy, becasue the competition was so tough, they never outstood.They would be the Edmondsons,Teachers,Sadris,Mc Namaras,Solomons,Dibbs,Peccis,Scanlons or Frawleys at most.Maybe they would hit the top 10 once a while or the top 15.But that is it. Maybe, in a given AO of that era, a Roddick or a Murray would take a slam.Like Eddo or Teacher did or make the finals like Warwick,Marks or Sadri got.Maybe.But that is it. Borg,Connors,Lendl,Mac,Becker,Edberg,Wilander,Vila s,Cash,Nastase,Kodes,Ashe,Smith,Laver,Roche,Newcom be,Rosewall,Tanner,Gerulaitis, just had something they were never blessed with: BALLS LMAOĦĦĦĦĦĦĦĦĦĦĦĦĦĦĦĦĦĦĦĦĦĦĦĦĦĦĦĦĦĦĦĦĦĦĦĦĦĦĦĦ
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08-11-2012, 08:44 AM
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yes, there were multi-slam winners, but they didn't actually play in many of those events ..., or past their prime or yet to hit their prime no defending champion laver in FO 70, no rosewall ( best CC player of the generation ) .. best opponent was franulovic ...... LMAO ... in 71 FO, no rosewall, laver again ..... Laver beat Kodes in 71 rome final of course ... and 73 wimbledon as I already explained - weakest wimbledon of open era without a shadow of doubt as far as the USOs goes, that is precisely what shows Kodes may not have won even a single slam in full fields, he may have beaten one top player in each of them, but couldn't back it up when he faced the other ... Quote:
murray would thump all those guys left right on anything except clay ... davydenko would thump them all on HC and many of them on clay ...etc etc ... davydenko won a YEC beating federer, nadal, delpo , all of them .. Kodes didn't win a single event close to beating that sort of competition ..... As far as drysdale/ralston are concerned, they could only dream of doing such a thing ........ Quote:
 Leaving aside all that, what kodes had was luck, pure luck ..... Fact ...... safin, hewitt, roddick >>>>>>>>>> Kodes ......... safin thrashed 14 time slam champion sampras in his own backyard in his first slam final ....... Now that is balls ....... not taking advantage of weak fields like Kodes did, with laver/rosewall missing in the FOs and with the worst wimbledon of the open era ...... that doesn't qualify ..... Of course he still got thrashed around left right by the likes of laver, rosewall ( both well past their primes ), connors, newk ( barring the odd occasion ) ........
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Becker,Edberg and Sampras would baggel him ( federer ) on fast indoor or grass more often than not. - the one and only kiki Last edited by abmk : 08-11-2012 at 09:05 AM. |
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08-11-2012, 08:59 AM
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This kiki guy continues to embarass himself again and again. So insecure that he needs to jump into any thread and denigrate the current players, and make some absurd comments that display his lack of knowledge about eras he professes to know so much about. |
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08-11-2012, 09:04 AM
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Not sure where his fascination with Kodes comes from ... Maybe Kodes gave him a candy when he was young ?
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08-11-2012, 11:09 AM
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08-11-2012, 12:20 PM
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Laver: 1962, 1967, 1969 Federer  ????????
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08-11-2012, 12:22 PM
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08-11-2012, 12:27 PM
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Davidhenko? Bagdhatis? Cilic? Murray? hahaha Safin, yeah, great match against Sampras.He is one of the few that I can save from Federer´s era, as Hewitt,Nadal and Djokovic. Del Potro is just another choker.Kodes would eat him for breakfast on fast grass, not the pinky grass that has turned Wimbledon into a joke. No shame in being trashed by Laver and Rosewall.In fact, that is a honour for Kodes to be able to compete and win majors against those guys. As for your comment on Becker´s choking, I know he choked on the ocassion.But seldom in a big final.If you had ever been able to watch tennis in 1991, you would know that Stich played a perfect match, just like Cash against Lendl in 87.Did Lendl choke? maybe, but Cash ( and Stich to Becker) never let him in. But, of course, you started seeing some tennis around 2001 or 2002, as your clueless posts t4estify.
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08-11-2012, 04:02 PM
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Becker though lost earlier than his ranking donated throughout his career far more often than Edberg which is one reason I consider Edberg to have had the better career - in addition to the stuff I said earlier (doubles titles etc). In terms of career-long consistency the number one ranking seems to be a big criterion for greatness on these boards generally. In that respect, Edberg absolutely owns Becker - Becker's peak playing ability was possibly been beyond compare in his era but he raised his game to that level too infrequently imo.
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08-11-2012, 04:02 PM
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I'm probably older than you. I dont follow anyone blindly - i follow the the sport of tennis. Last edited by World Beater : 08-11-2012 at 04:49 PM. |
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