What's wrong with Yonex?

[Boricua]

Originally Posted by zapvor

well you guys just pointed out the problem. wawrinka is to yonex as nadal is to babolat

Wawrinka has talent but lacks consistency. Proof of his talent is his great game against Djockovic in the Australian Open this year.

[zapvor]

Originally Posted by Boricua

Wawrinka has talent but lacks consistency. Proof of his talent is his great game against Djockovic in the Australian Open this year.

oh i love wawarinka. but marketing dollars are at work.

[VeryVolkl]

Originally Posted by Boricua

Wawrinka is using Yonex and has one of the best one handers in tennis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherry_picking_(fallacy)

[racertempo]

Originally Posted by VeryVolkl

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherry_picking_(fallacy)

What is this, the link is broken? Actually, the link says that an article on wiki does not exist.

[VeryVolkl]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherry_picking_(fallacy)

Sorry - I messed something up in the link.

[VeryVolkl]

"Cherry picking, suppressing evidence, or the fallacy of incomplete evidence is the act of pointing to individual cases or data that seem to confirm a particular position, while ignoring a significant portion of related cases or data that may contradict that position. It is a kind of fallacy of selective attention, the most common example of which is the confirmation bias. Cherry picking may be committed unintentionally.[1]

The term is based on the perceived process of harvesting fruit, such as cherries. The picker would be expected to only select the ripest and healthiest fruits. An observer who only sees the selected fruit may thus wrongly conclude that most, or even all, of the fruit is in such good condition.

Cherry picking can be found in many logical fallacies. For example, the "fallacy of anecdotal evidence" tends to overlook large amounts of data in favor of that known personally, "selective use of evidence" rejects material unfavorable to an argument, while a false dichotomy picks only two options when more are available.

[Brian11785]

^^ Wow. Someone can (well....except for hyperlinks) copy and paste. Impressive.

No need to be snarky. Seriously though. No one was disputing your general argument about the perception of Yonex racquets as female and/or grinders' sticks. If anything the company's picking up of Wawrinka is possibly a sign that they are aware of those perceptions and actively trying to change them.

[Vertiz]

It's tough to breakout when there are so many major racket companies such as Wilson, Head, Prince, Babolat. In the US, Head and Babolat are the primary powers simply because of their marketing in the juniors/universities, along with their rackets being pretty awesome (literally 70% of the guys over here use bab PD). Yonex doesn't really market at all over here and I recently played with the 95D. Amaaazing racket, high quality, amazing packaging (came in this black cloth drawstring bag), and plays like a razer blade through butter. If they keep up what they're doing and manage to sign a player who breaks out and wins a few big titles they can easily jump into the mix.

[VeryVolkl]

Sorry if the info sounded snarky - I was attempting to not sound snarky/supercilious by posting it in someone else's words. Nonetheless, thanks for the non-snarky compliments on my ability to cut and paste.

[Someone Else]

Yonex: Made in Japan (at least all their expensive models).
All other brands: Made in China & yet...same price as Yonex.

That ends the matter for me.

[racertempo]

Chick stick at the pro level does not mean they are chick sticks in general. Most local player's games are a whole lot more similar to pro women's compared to pro men's games. Meaning, I enjoy watching women's doubles more then men's double's because it is more similar to my 4.0-4.5 doubles and I can learn more.

I love yonex frames, and I have been seeing much much more use of them in the past 2 years in my area....and I have never seen a woman with one in my area, women are playing a lot with the Juice around here. And I am the kind of person who notices what a person is playing with anytime I am near a court

[syke]

Originally Posted by Someone Else

Yonex: Made in Japan (at least all their expensive models).
All other brands: Made in China & yet...same price as Yonex.

That ends the matter for me.

That's a funny comment coming from someone who is from North Korea.
I bet the Koreans love the Japanese.

[dekko1]

Originally Posted by syke

That's a funny comment coming from someone who is from North Korea.
I bet the Koreans love the Japanese.

I don't come from N. Korea and I agree with that.

As for Yonex is not good for one hand backhands, how da hell can anyone say that?? Can someone pls explain to me with some proper scientific proof that this is the case?? This is one of the stupidest things I've heard, like saying Wilsons are not good for my topspin Lob, or my drop shots.

I've played with Yonex for a long time over the years, I have a one handed backhand and know, and have known many great players with one handed backhands that played with Yonex.

[BLACKOUT]

Excellent racquets, horrible as a business company in America. A lot of pro shops don't like carrying them because the product is too difficult to get. Thank god I'm good friends with a Yonex rep so i can get for myself.

[tistrapukcipeht]

This thread is still going?

Yonex makes the best products, arguably, so only negative is their marketing and Tomic didn't do much for them tanking like that in front of 20K people.