Whats your top 10 of all time right now?

[Flash O'Groove]

Originally Posted by BobbyOne

kki, Yes, I have heard that Australia (the country of Rocket, Muscles, Newk and so on) has rigid immigration laws.

Vienna has twice (1529 and 1683) saved Austria and whole Europe from Muslim invasion. But now, with the "peaceful" Islam invasion by immigration in my city, Vienna has surrendered....

Hope Australia will give you Asyl...

Given how we argue about tennis, I think it would be a good idea to keep politics out of this forum.

[BobbyOne]

Originally Posted by Flash O'Groove

Given how we argue about tennis, I think it would be a good idea to keep politics out of this forum.

Flash, I would say, the Muslim invasion is rather a serious religious problem than a political.

[kiki]

Originally Posted by Flash O'Groove

Given how we argue about tennis, I think it would be a good idea to keep politics out of this forum.

hahaha.good idea.Shall we compare former politicians to current ones?

Like Obama/Federer or Nadal/Merkel against Tilden/Roosevelt or Hoad/Churchill??

would be fun.

[kiki]

Originally Posted by TMF

^^
I don't care which country you are from, what's more important in this forum is to be objective, fair, honest...

...and you are the perfect example of that, right?

[boredone3456]

Originally Posted by Flash O'Groove

Given how we argue about tennis, I think it would be a good idea to keep politics out of this forum.

I agree....this forum used to have a Rants and Raves that was eventually totally removed as it got to heated. Politics should probably be avoided.

[pc1]

Originally Posted by boredone3456

I agree....this forum used to have a Rants and Raves that was eventually totally removed as it got to heated. Politics should probably be avoided.

I agree. It's a tennis forum. Politics and religion often lead to horrible arguments.

[Flash O'Groove]

Originally Posted by BobbyOne

Flash, I would say, the Muslim invasion is rather a serious religious problem than a political.

Using the term "invasion" is very political. If you disagree, let's say we let religious matters outside of this forum as well.

[BobbyOne]

Originally Posted by Flash O'Groove

Using the term "invasion" is very political. If you disagree, let's say we let religious matters outside of this forum as well.

Flash and pc1: Okay, I understand.

[Doug_Hartley_2012]

So difficult to pick over a century of competition. If we narrow it down to 1900 - 2012 and split it evenly pre and post 1956, it will suggest two top 5s something like this.1900-1956 ......Tilden, Budge, Gonzales, Vines, Kramer. With Lacoste a maybe. 1957-2012 .....Rosewall, Laver, Federer,Sampras, Borg. Other contenders...Lendl,McEnroe, Nadal. However, I am pretty comfortable with the 1957-2012 top 5. It's the earlier top 5 I am less sure about.

[BobbyOne]

Originally Posted by Doug_Hartley_2012

So difficult to pick over a century of competition. If we narrow it down to 1900 - 2012 and split it evenly pre and post 1956, it will suggest two top 5s something like this.1900-1956 ......Tilden, Budge, Gonzales, Vines, Kramer. With Lacoste a maybe. 1957-2012 .....Rosewall, Laver, Federer,Sampras, Borg. Other contenders...Lendl,McEnroe, Nadal. However, I am pretty comfortable with the 1957-2012 top 5. It's the earlier top 5 I am less sure about.

Doug, Excellent choice.

[Bartelby]

Joining the Crusades anytime soon?

Originally Posted by BobbyOne

kki, Yes, I have heard that Australia (the country of Rocket, Muscles, Newk and so on) has rigid immigration laws.

Vienna has twice (1529 and 1683) saved Austria and whole Europe from Muslim invasion. But now, with the "peaceful" Islam invasion by immigration in my city, Vienna has surrendered....

Hope Australia will give you Asyl...

[Dan Lobb]

Originally Posted by krosero

I replied already but I just want to recap this in numbers. Rosewall was making the finals of majors from 1953-74. Of the 22 Wimbledons played in that span, he missed 13.

If the '67 Wimbledon Pro is counted, he missed 13 of 23. But that's still pretty clear: he was more absent at Wimbledon than he was present.

Hoad stated in 1953, when rejecting Kramer's offer to turn pro for 1954 and tour against Kramer in a best-of-100 series, that he wanted to win Wimbledon twice BEFORE turning pro, which he did.
Rosewall could have waited to win at Wimbledon before turning pro, and gained a better contract for doing so, although he would need to have waited until 1958 to do so.

[FedericRoma83]

GOAT Candidates: Rosewall, Tilden, Federer
Other five (no particular order): Gonzales, Laver, Lendl (very underrated), Sampras, Borg
Other all-time greats: Budge, Perry, Cochet, Kramer, Connors, Agassi, Nadal, McEnroe, Wilander, Lacoste, Becker, Edberg
He will be there pretty soon: Djokovic

[BobbyOne]

Originally Posted by FedericRoma83

GOAT Candidates: Rosewall, Tilden, Federer
Other five (no particular order): Gonzales, Laver, Lendl (very underrated), Sampras, Borg
Other all-time greats: Budge, Perry, Cochet, Kramer, Connors, Agassi, Nadal, McEnroe, Wilander, Lacoste, Becker, Edberg
He will be there pretty soon: Djokovic

Federic, I could be glad you rank Rosewall in the first group but I find it strange you put Laver into a lower group than Rosewall and the other two.

[Flash O'Groove]

Originally Posted by BobbyOne

Federic, I could be glad you rank Rosewall in the first group but I find it strange you put Laver into a lower group than Rosewall and the other two.

And I'm surprised that you put Connors in the third tier. I think he is as underrated as Lendl.

[FedericRoma83]

Originally Posted by BobbyOne

Federic, I could be glad you rank Rosewall in the first group but I find it strange you put Laver into a lower group than Rosewall and the other two.

I've just explained on the other thread why I consider Rosewall superior to Laver. In my opinion his career achievements are just better. Laver is a giant, but not a GOAT candidate in my opinion. I think this forum is overrating him

[BobbyOne]

Originally Posted by FedericRoma83

I've just explained on the other thread why I consider Rosewall superior to Laver. In my opinion his career achievements are just better. Laver is a giant, but not a GOAT candidate in my opinion. I think this forum is overrating him

Federic,

We should consider that Laver won three Grand Slams and Rosewall "only" one.

[treblings]

Originally Posted by FedericRoma83

I've just explained on the other thread why I consider Rosewall superior to Laver. In my opinion his career achievements are just better. Laver is a giant, but not a GOAT candidate in my opinion. I think this forum is overrating him

most of the tennis world happens to agree with this forum

[FedericRoma83]

Originally Posted by BobbyOne

Federic,

We should consider that Laver won three Grand Slams and Rosewall "only" one.

Nope, two against one. The 1962 Grand Slam doesn't count, it was against amateur players: 1967 and 1969 are the real ones, against Rosewall's 1963.

Originally Posted by treblings

most of the tennis world happens to agree with this forum

It doesn't matter that much to me.
I just look at their career achievements... I think they speak clearly. 19 undisputed Majors against 14. 1957-72 against 1964-69. Head-to-head in big tournaments: Rosewall 9, Laver 7 (and Rosewall was four years older).

[BobbyOne]

Originally Posted by treblings

most of the tennis world happens to agree with this forum

treblings, tennis world is not always the truth per se, but regarding Laver tennis world and this forum are correct in putting him into first tier.