Roger : best ever, The four of us? That’s a really difficult call.

[kiki]

Originally Posted by abmk

djokovic didn't make a single slam final from FO 2008 to wimbledon 2010, that's 10 slams ....

forget about winning one or "dominating" ....

for once in a lifetime, your post makes any sense...of coruse, it is used to enhance your crush fed but you´re totally right about Djokovic.

[abmk]

Originally Posted by kiki

I thought of but then you´d have come up with the argument that DC is not an individual competition..hahaha.Owned again.

I was talking about his level of play in the singles matches - vs wilander, edberg etc, the epic matches vs mac, agassi etc .....not necessarily about the no of times the player participated in a davis cup winning team ....

[abmk]

Originally Posted by kiki

for once in a lifetime, your post makes any sense...of coruse, it is used to enhance your crush fed but you´re totally right about Djokovic.

it has nothing to do with "enhancing" federer ... fact is federer was the #2 player in 2008,10 & the #1 player in 2009, djokovic was a distinct 3rd in 2009 , 2010 & close 3rd in 2008 ...

I post mainly based on facts/reality ... just that you don't know much .....

[kiki]

Originally Posted by abmk

it has nothing to do with "enhancing" federer ... fact is federer was the #2 player in 2008,10 & the #1 player in 2009, djokovic was a distinct 3rd in 2009 , 2010 & close 3rd in 2008 ...

I post mainly based on facts/reality ... just that you don't know much .....

" reality or Perception"?

[kiki]

Originally Posted by abmk

I was talking about his level of play in the singles matches - vs wilander, edberg etc, the epic matches vs mac, agassi etc .....not necessarily about the no of times the player participated in a davis cup winning team ....

Yes, I agree here that those are great individual wins that had the effect to carry on the Bundesteam, where journeymen like Steeb or Jelen got hyped up and were dangerous...

[NadalDramaQueen]

Originally Posted by kiki

hahaha.And you who are? you don´t know me and nothing of my life experience.And my highs and downs.

I'm glad you feel that way. Think about it before you tell people about their own lives.

[kiki]

Originally Posted by NadalDramaQueen

I'm glad you feel that way. Think about it before you tell people about their own lives.

I never posted about other´s lives, i was just debating with newtards about why I like a given era or a given player, related to tennis and, in a
few posts, also some music.I think I have the right to express my opinion just like you have yours.Thisis a forum at elast IMo aimed at entertaining and discussion.I apologize if anybody feels I refeer to their lives, I don´t know them and they don´t know me so it is senseless and pointless.

But this is about debating tastes, eras, in a word, spectacles.

[forzamilan90]

Originally Posted by kiki

I never posted about other´s lives, i was just debating with newtards about why I like a given era or a given player, related to tennis and, in a
few posts, also some music.I think I have the right to express my opinion just like you have yours.Thisis a forum at elast IMo aimed at entertaining and discussion.I apologize if anybody feels I refeer to their lives, I don´t know them and they don´t know me so it is senseless and pointless.

But this is about debating tastes, eras, in a word, spectacles.

Remember your generalizing of Fed fans' private sexual orientations as opposed to Laver's? Ring a bell?

[kiki]

Originally Posted by forzamilan90

Remember your generalizing of Fed fans' private sexual orientations as opposed to Laver's? Ring a bell?

Me??? That is trolling, sorry, looks like you all federer fans need to attack me personally.I never cared the less about sexual orientations.Why don´t you call the moderator?

[TMF]

Originally Posted by kiki

Me??? That is trolling, sorry, looks like you all federer fans need to attack me personally.I never cared the less about sexual orientations.Why don´t you call the moderator?

Actually many of us disagree with you. Calling you biased is not an attack, and being biased is not against the forum policies. Unlike NadalAgassi who personal insults many posters with foul language, that's an attack and warrant a ban.

[kiki]

Originally Posted by TMF

Actually many of us disagree with you. Calling you biased is not an attack, and being biased is not against the forum policies. Unlike NadalAgassi who personal insults many posters with foul language, that's an attack and warrant a ban.

Disagreement is the basis of the forum.If not, we better go to church where everybody shares the same faith.I agree with your post.Nadalagassi, IMo, is a knowledgeable poster who, sometimes, is too rigid and believes he is the only one right.

[BobbyOne]

Originally Posted by TMF

Actually many of us disagree with you. Calling you biased is not an attack, and being biased is not against the forum policies. Unlike NadalAgassi who personal insults many posters with foul language, that's an attack and warrant a ban.

TMF, Those who put Federer at No. 1 should learn tennis history!

[NatF]

Originally Posted by BobbyOne

TMF, Those who put Federer at No. 1 should learn tennis history!

And you should take off your rose tinted glasses. Federer is a legitimate contender for the No. 1 spot.

[ARFED]

Originally Posted by BobbyOne

TMF, Those who put Federer at No. 1 should learn tennis history!

Well being the greatest player on the most competitive era of tennis (Open era), should at least count for something. Perhaps you should learn some statistics too. There is a very interesting post made by Timnz i believe. It shows that is miles ahead of anyone in the open era from a objective point of view. It only counts the major events :Slams, Slams finals, Masters-WCT finals and Masters 1000.

Surprisingly, Federer is the player with most slams, most masters and second in masters 1000 (only one behind Lendl and tied with Nadal). Go figure....

Yes you are spot on, i don`t know how anyone would think of him as the GOAT.

[BobbyOne]

Originally Posted by NatF

And you should take off your rose tinted glasses. Federer is a legitimate contender for the No. 1 spot.

A GOAT contender with a backhand and volley weakness, a GOAT candidate with only 17 majors (Rosewall 23, Laver 19), in some years realized with rather weak competition (compare Gonzalez, Rosewall, Hoad, Trabert, Sedgman and Segura with Roddick, Safin, Hewitt, Baghdatis, F. Gonzalez)...

[BobbyOne]

Originally Posted by ARFED

Well being the greatest player on the most competitive era of tennis (Open era), should at least count for something. Perhaps you should learn some statistics too. There is a very interesting post made by Timnz i believe. It shows that is miles ahead of anyone in the open era from a objective point of view. It only counts the major events :Slams, Slams finals, Masters-WCT finals and Masters 1000.

Surprisingly, Federer is the player with most slams, most masters and second in masters 1000 (only one behind Lendl and tied with Nadal). Go figure....

Yes you are spot on, i don`t know how anyone would think of him as the GOAT.

ARFED, It's a mistake to only count majors and masters. What about tournaments generally (Federer 78 I believe, Laver 200 at least), about percentages of tournaments won, of majors won and so on?

[ARFED]

Originally Posted by BobbyOne

A GOAT contender with a backhand and volley weakness, a GOAT candidate with only 17 majors (Rosewall 23, Laver 19), in some years realized with rather weak competition (compare Gonzalez, Rosewall, Hoad, Trabert, Sedgman and Segura with Roddick, Safin, Hewitt, Baghdatis, F. Gonzalez)...

Yes you are right, he was lucky enough to not have to compete in a major with Jhon Alexander and Alex Metreveli as the number 3 and 4 seeds. The true GOAT is the one not having to compete during 4 of his major wins against 3 of the 5 best players in the world (Gonzalez, Sedgman, Segura).

[NatF]

Originally Posted by BobbyOne

A GOAT contender with a backhand and volley weakness, a GOAT candidate with only 17 majors (Rosewall 23, Laver 19), in some years realized with rather weak competition (compare Gonzalez, Rosewall, Hoad, Trabert, Sedgman and Segura with Roddick, Safin, Hewitt, Baghdatis, F. Gonzalez)...

Federer's volley's are good as is his backhand. Open era slams are worth more than pro majors and amateur majors. He also has 6 WTF's the fifth biggest event, so that could be your 23 Majors...

Djokovic, Nadal, Hewitt, Roddick, Safin, Murray, Agassi are all/were all great players. Roddick for example has one of the best serves in history...F.Gonzalez played great in the AO 07 and even now Baghdatis is capable of pushing Murray when playing well. All those guys would be on multiple slams if not for Federer (not Gonzalez or Baggy)...

[ARFED]

Originally Posted by BobbyOne

ARFED, It's a mistake to only count majors and masters. What about tournaments generally (Federer 78 I believe, Laver 200 at least), about percentages of tournaments won, of majors won and so on?

How many of those Laver wins were during the amateurs?? 50 or so. Unless you wanna count amateur results as equal in which case certain player (Emerson) would go way up in the GOAT rankings.

I don`t have any problem with you or other people not placing Federer as number 1. In fact i am not even sure he is number 1, he is too close with Laver imo. The problem comes when someone discredits the greatest player in the last 45 years (and that is a fact wheter you like it or not) and being those 45 years the most competitive tennis has ever seen (fact also), as someone who is a tier below other greats from previous eras and doesn`t deserve to be called in the same sentence as them.
That my fellow poster shoul be labelled as trolling and nothing else, because i know that you know better that that. As pc1 often says to TMF , you don`t have to put down Federer in order to make look good Rosewall or other past greats. They don`t need that. It just makes you look stupid.

[BobbyOne]

Originally Posted by ARFED

Yes you are right, he was lucky enough to not have to compete in a major with Jhon Alexander and Alex Metreveli as the number 3 and 4 seeds. The true GOAT is the one not having to compete during 4 of his major wins against 3 of the 5 best players in the world (Gonzalez, Sedgman, Segura).

Even if you omit Rosewall's amateur majors and AO 1972 he still has 18...