2012 College Football

[stringertom]

^^^He will have time to pass if FSU stays two-dimensional...his own legs and the Osceola Express*tm* (Wilder/Freeman) must be effective like Georgia was in Jacksonville.

[jamesblakefan#1]

FSU deserves a shot at NC game? LOL, no team that loses to NC State should play for the NC. Ever. UF hasn't even been that strong this year, so it wouldn't be shocking if FSU pulls it off. I guess ULL deserves a BCS game since they almost beat UF the other week.

[Power Player]

Originally Posted by jamesblakefan#1

FSU deserves a shot at NC game? LOL, no team that loses to NC State should play for the NC. Ever. UF hasn't even been that strong this year, so it wouldn't be shocking if FSU pulls it off. I guess ULL deserves a BCS game since they almost beat UF the other week.

Did you read what I wrote or just roll in here and make a bad argument?

Last time I checked UF is the 3rd best team in the SEC. They beat the team that beat Alabama did they not? AND they did it on the road. UF hasn't been that strong - what does that mean exactly?...they were #2 in America before losing their rivalry game to UGA. Please explain what "that strong" is to you? Everyone here says the SEC is the best conference, yet I specifically said IF FSU WINS 31-10 we should be considered for a NT game. Let me spell it out clearly since you are a college kid who (hopefully) is hazy from female attention and too much partying : I do not think FSU will win 31-10. I DO think if that happens you are definitely going to hear some very strong chatter that we should be in the big game.

If the SEC is by far the best conference and UF has won all but 1 game in it, are they logically not a strong team?

Let me know why Notre Dame would be in the NT since they barely won AT HOME in OT to PITT w/ the assistance of the refs. Pitt is terrible. No better than NC state really. Pitt is in a horrible conference and is 4-6. NC state is in a less horrible conference and is 6-5. Just for clarification if you don't know this.

Do you not understand the underlying point that the BCS is a stupid system? Basically every team in america has had a bad game, ND got bailed out of theirs.

The ULL example just proves my point. Every team has had a bad game this year. Who exactly is THAT STRONG? I am just curious because by your logic UF beat the team that beat Bama, so I guess they are basically #2 in the SEC now, correct?

[jamesblakefan#1]

Originally Posted by Power Player

Did you read what I wrote or just roll in here and make a bad argument?

Last time I checked UF is the 3rd best team in the SEC. They beat the team that beat Alabama did they not? AND they did it on the road. UF hasn't been that strong - what does that mean exactly?...they were #2 in America before losing their rivalry game to UGA. Please explain what "that strong" is to you? Everyone here says the SEC is the best conference, yet I specifically said IF FSU WINS 31-10 we should be considered for a NT game. Let me spell it out clearly since you are a college kid who (hopefully) is hazy from female attention and too much partying : I do not think FSU will win 31-10. I DO think if that happens you are definitely going to hear some very strong chatter that we should be in the big game.

If the SEC is by far the best conference and UF has won all but 1 game in it, are they logically not a strong team?

Let me know why Notre Dame would be in the NT since they barely won AT HOME in OT to PITT w/ the assistance of the refs. Pitt is terrible. No better than NC state really. Pitt is in a horrible conference and is 4-6. NC state is in a less horrible conference and is 6-5. Just for clarification if you don't know this.

Do you not understand the underlying point that the BCS is a stupid system? Basically every team in america has had a bad game, ND got bailed out of theirs.

The ULL example just proves my point. Every team has had a bad game this year. Who exactly is THAT STRONG? I am just curious because by your logic UF beat the team that beat Bama, so I guess they are basically #2 in the SEC now, correct?

UF's defense is great but their offense is FCS level this year. This is a team that struggled against Mizzou and ULL. SEC is a bit down this year but is still WAYYYYY better than the ACC any year.

That's my point, FSU had to go unbeaten in ACC to have any shot at NC and they blew it, period. 1 loss SEC team will always be ahead of FSU regardless, so even if you all win 50-0 over UF you shouldn't be considered. And ND has done what no other team can say they've done, that is win every game on the schedule. I'm tired of people like you taking cheap shots at ND, if they beat USC they'll have played the toughest schedule of any of the top BCS teams. And like you said every team has a 'bad' game, so why is ND's bad game vs Pitt highlighted while you gloss over UF's? The same Pitt that beat down VT, who yall barely beat a few weeks ago BTW.

The 'beat the team that beat the team that beat' argument is the argument of a team that knows they have no other legit one. FSU lost to NCSt, who lost to Tenn, who hasn't won a game in the SEC. LOL at that.

[Power Player]

So you are saying an FCS level offense somehow only has 1 loss in the mighty SEC? WOW!!

And I am so sorry your feelings are hurt because we call it as it is : ND got a lucky break from the refs to barely beat PITT AT HOME.

If we beat UF 50-0 we will be lauded as an NT contender. The fact that you do not grasp this is disturbing.

Yeah we lost to NC State and should not play in the NT game. I never disagreed. But if we beat UF 50-0, I am afraid your argument will not hold as much water.

What I dont understand is that you said this - "The 'beat the team that beat the team that beat' argument is the argument of a team that knows they have no other legit one"

And then the next sentence, you said:

"FSU lost to NCSt, who lost to Tenn, who hasn't won a game in the SEC. LOL at that."

That is awesome man. Stay in school and try and not start arguments until you can construct one of your own logically.



And the main point of all this from me is that the BCS is MASSIVE JOKE. I am not sure why I have to say this repeatedly.

[jamesblakefan#1]

Originally Posted by Power Player

So you are saying an FCS level offense somehow only has 1 loss in the mighty SEC? WOW!!

And I am so sorry your feelings are hurt because we call it as it is : ND got a lucky break from the refs to barely beat PITT AT HOME.

Right, I guess ND's the first team in history to get a few breaks on their way to an unbeaten season. Not like Auburn and LSU didn't get a few during their runs.

If we beat UF 50-0 we will be lauded as an NT contender. The fact that you do not grasp this is disturbing.

In who's world? Again, if you beat UF 50-0 you're still not better than Bama (lost to TAMU), Oregon (lost to Stanford on shoddy kicking) or Georgia (lost to South Carolina). You have the worst loss of any top BCS team yet would magically be considered a NC contender based on one game? Please.

Yeah we lost to NC State and should not play in the NT game. I never disagreed. But if we beat UF 50-0, I am afraid your argument will not hold as much water.

Again, in case you don't grip this, ACC is so weak that you have to go unbeaten in it to be considered NC contender. Beating UF, even in a blowout, doesn't reverse that.

What I dont understand is that you said this - "The 'beat the team that beat the team that beat' argument is the argument of a team that knows they have no other legit one"

And then the next sentence, you said:

"FSU lost to NCSt, who lost to Tenn, who hasn't won a game in the SEC. LOL at that."

That is awesome man. Stay in school and try and not start arguments until you can construct one of your own logically.

I was using your own ammo against you. I don't even need to use the 'beat the team' argument since I already stated mine pretty clearly - a 1 loss ACC team won't go ahead of a 1 loss SEC team. I was just being facetious with the ULL stuff. But beating UF even in a blowout wont erase the loss to NCSt. There's a reason why FSU is a lowly 10th, and it's not just bc the BCS is a joke (point conceded). Also your murderous nonconference schedule of Murray St and Savannah St won't buy you any love either. (Yes I know SEC teams play cupcakes too, but when you know you're playing the likes of Duke and Maryland every year you should go out of your way to make up for it in the nonconference).

[Power Player]

I guarantee if we badly beat UF you are going to hear people saying we deserve a crack. Add to that if USC pulls the upset as well. factor in Clemson - South Carolina, Ga tech - UGA, Wake- Vandy and while I do not expect those games to all go our way, I am trying to illustrate different ways that FSU can easily gain ground. I think Clemson wins, Ga Tech will have to have a miracle, and Wake could win as they are playing for a (pointless) bowl berth. ACC vs SEC wins make a huge difference in the BCs schedule.

We did not schedule that many cupcakes on purpose. You probably do not know that WVU backed out on us with no time to really do anything besides what we did. So if you break it down we purposefully played the same amount of cupcakes as the other SEC teams. Losing the WVU game was a massive blow to our schedule strength.

Why any team plays cupcakes is because of the BCS. It is a product of the system. If you removed 2 weeks of cupcake games plus the ridiculous bowl schedule, you are looking at plenty of time for an 8 team playoff.

[mikeler]

^^^ Pretty soon FSU and Clemson won't have Maryland to kick around anymore.

[stringertom]

As I posted earlier, FSU is one fourth-down stop from entering the UF rivalry game undefeated. There is speculation by the poll analysts that, even if FSU was undefeated and beats UF, that their computer poll numbers would be so weak they wouldn't stay ahead of a once-beaten SEC champ. That scenario would truly prove the BCS system is total BS!

As it is, we lost a one-point game on the road to a team that, despite their 6-5 record, has possibly the best NFL-ready QB in the nation. That we held him and his offense to 17 points should show the merit of our defense. I saw the two offensive slugfests Glennon played in vs UNC and Clemson. This guy plays on Sundays in the future! It is no shame to have held him to those 17 points...we should have scored more than 16 so that we didn't lay it on our "D" to stop him when it counted.

[Power Player]

I was there last year when we beat notre dame with our Oline that was starting undersized freshman, one who was still 17. Sorry if I am not in awe of the domers magnificent schedule with wins aided by the grace of God. lol.

MD did what FSU should have done - left the stupid ACC. Good for them. Wise move.

[stringertom]

Originally Posted by Power Player

I was there last year when we beat notre dame with our Oline that was starting undersized freshman, one who was still 17. Sorry if I am not in awe of the domers magnificent schedule with wins aided by the grace of God. lol.

MD did what FSU should have done - left the stupid ACC. Good for them. Wise move.

Every conference, with the exception of the SEC, suffers through cyclical troughs. It's only a few years ago the ACC beefed up and produced some decent years from now also-rans BC, Wake, Va Tech, UVa, Miami and Maryland. They can get back there when they again recruit players like Vick, Mario Williams and Matt Ryan to name just a few of the blue-chippers from the conference. The facilities and the coaches are still there. Just go get the horses.

[Kevin T]

Originally Posted by Power Player

I was there last year when we beat notre dame with our Oline that was starting undersized freshman, one who was still 17. Sorry if I am not in awe of the domers magnificent schedule with wins aided by the grace of God. lol.

MD did what FSU should have done - left the stupid ACC. Good for them. Wise move.

Don't blame the ACC. Blame FSU for holding on to Bowden about 10 years too long (also see Penn State). I'm so angry with the conference realignment crap (angry with the ACC as well, who has been knee deep in it) that I'll rant for a while (not directed at you PowerPlayer, just in general).

We all know football drives the bus and that's why the Big 10 stealing Maryland may cause another string of conference changes. The Big 10 commish admitted it's all about demographics...the rust belt is dying and 20 years down the road, the population shift to Texas and the South will be even greater. Maryland and Rutgers add nothing. The whole 'academics' and AAU affiliation stuff is garbage. The average ACC and Big 10 overall academic rank is nearly identical, though the ACC has more top 25, top 35 and top 50 schools. Each has only one school outside the top 100 (Nebraska and NC State-though NCSU has been a perennial top 80, so not sure what has happened to them). AAU is all about graduate programs and grant funding...both of which have such a huge impact on NCAA sports. Nineteen schools outside the AAU produce more grads and research funding than current members. GA Tech only recently got in and outranks half of the Big 10. Duke, UVA and Wake are all top 25, while the Big 10 only has Northwestern.

So what about sports? Again, it's all about football money (obviously). Not a knock on the mwest because I lived there for 4 years and love the mwest and the people but they love to watch sports. A lot of the best sports towns are in the Mwest...Chicago, Cleveland, Cincy, Milwaukee, the list goes on and on. What else is there to do on a cold weekend in October, November, December? I know the Big 10 has the tradition but what exactly have they done lately? I'm an ACC/SEC guy and realize the ACC has been down for years but what about the Big 10? The ACC does have 2 top 15 teams. Since OSU doesn't count for the BCS, only Nebraska makes the cut for the Big 10. Ohio State is about it in the last 20 years and they are out on violations. FSU and Miami have been down lately but have a great 20 year record. Basketball? Michigan State is all you got since Michigan 20 years ago. Actually, now that you have Maryland Big 10, they're your most recent champ. No contest as the ACC and Big East own bball lately. Baseball? Try Ohio State in the 1960's. Soccer? Indiana has a few championships but this is ACC dominated. Women's soccer? All ACC. Lacrossse? ACC, particularly now that Syracuse is in the league. Tennis? About even, though Illinois has a recent title and UVA has been solid the last few years.

The talk in Blacksburg for months has been that VA Tech will soon leave for the SEC. The SEC is interested in moving into NC and VA. Recent polls show ~65% of VT fans want to go to the SEC, beat downs be damned. Other rumors are that the Big 10 wants UVA and either UNC or Duke (or both). The 'gentlemen's agreement' is that the SEC doesn't want two schools in one state (though they've broken that rule multiple times). If the SEC grabs Va Tech and NC State, the Big 12 will grab FSU and Clemson and UVA, Duke and UNC would make sense for the Big 10. I hate it. Again, thanks for ruining everything ESPN and Fox.

Post rant, I'm really, really pulling for FSU, Power Player. I'm also pulling for Clemson and Ga Tech. I would love to see the ACC schools score the big wins. It probably won't happen but would at least shut up the haters for a day.

[mikeler]

Originally Posted by stringertom

As I posted earlier, FSU is one fourth-down stop from entering the UF rivalry game undefeated. There is speculation by the poll analysts that, even if FSU was undefeated and beats UF, that their computer poll numbers would be so weak they wouldn't stay ahead of a once-beaten SEC champ. That scenario would truly prove the BCS system is total BS!

As it is, we lost a one-point game on the road to a team that, despite their 6-5 record, has possibly the best NFL-ready QB in the nation. That we held him and his offense to 17 points should show the merit of our defense. I saw the two offensive slugfests Glennon played in vs UNC and Clemson. This guy plays on Sundays in the future! It is no shame to have held him to those 17 points...we should have scored more than 16 so that we didn't lay it on our "D" to stop him when it counted.

Clemson defense is awful, but NC State QB to me is more impressive than EJ and Tajh as a pure passer. The NFL is shifting though to more running QBs so all 3 really have a chance at long term NFL careers. It will mostly come down to luck, hard work and the teams they get drafted on.

Again, let's look at the ACC after this weekend. Both Clemson and FSU are at home. If neither can hold serve, then the SEC death strangle on college football is still alive this year. My suspicion is that it is a 1-1 split or possibly a 2-0 ACC win.

[volleygirl]

Originally Posted by jamesblakefan#1

FSU deserves a shot at NC game? LOL, no team that loses to NC State should play for the NC. Ever. UF hasn't even been that strong this year, so it wouldn't be shocking if FSU pulls it off. I guess ULL deserves a BCS game since they almost beat UF the other week.

I heard something today I couldnt believe about the ACC. The guys on the radio said the entire conference doesnt even have a win against a ranked opponent outside of the conference for the entire season. At this point in the season, its easy to see why they arent getting any respect in the BCS. I cant stand the SEC so I hope they at least end that embarassing fact this weekend by winning at least one of those games against the SEC opponents they have but I wouldnt bet on it.

[mikeler]

Originally Posted by volleygirl

I heard something today I couldnt believe about the ACC. The guys on the radio said the entire conference doesnt even have a win against a ranked opponent outside of the conference for the entire season. At this point in the season, its easy to see why they arent getting any respect in the BCS. I cant stand the SEC so I hope they at least end that embarassing fact this weekend by winning at least one of those games against the SEC opponents they have but I wouldnt bet on it.

I thought Auburn was ranked when Clemson beat them in week 1. Of course, we know now they suck.

[Kevin T]

Originally Posted by volleygirl

I heard something today I couldnt believe about the ACC. The guys on the radio said the entire conference doesnt even have a win against a ranked opponent outside of the conference for the entire season. At this point in the season, its easy to see why they arent getting any respect in the BCS. I cant stand the SEC so I hope they at least end that embarassing fact this weekend by winning at least one of those games against the SEC opponents they have but I wouldnt bet on it.

I think you were listening to an SEC homer or your average run of the mill fat idiot radio jock. I just went through the SEC schedule and they have exactly 1 win against a ranked non-conference team...Bama's win against Michigan (who turned out to be average at best)...unless you count that minute that LA Tech as ranked. Like Mik said, I'm pretty sure Auburn was top 25 when Clemson beat them. Just like the ACC, the SEC shcedules 8 in-conference, 3 absolute cupcakes and one reasonable out of conference game. We just didn't have those LSU/Oregon, Va Tech/USC or Bama match-up as in the past. Eveyone is terrified of that one loss on their schedule, so we get Savannah St and Florida Atlantic match ups.

[Dedans Penthouse]

Forward:
My 'Canes got dusted by ND and it wasn't very pretty, but I took my medicine and called it for what it was; a beatdown. I get the ND-hate and all. As to what might prompt it, it might be strictly football-related, or "name brand" hatred...or, maybe that '500 lb. gorilla in the room' (some other kind of 'bias' in play?)....who's to say?? Having said that, while the arguing on behalf of teams has been spirited and fun to read, I gotta be honest: the blind ND cheap shots have gone from funny to absurd in spots. But more importantly, MUCH more importantly:

KT, sincere congratulations on the welcome new addition to the family. Hope Mom and child are doing well.

That said KT, here are some "Best Wishes" sentiments from around the country on your family's joyous event:

Notre Dame: ~ "May the nourishment of the earth be yours;
may the clarity of the light be yours;
may the fluency of the ocean be yours;
may the protection of the ancestors be yours;
and may your blessed child be buried in a casket
made from the wood of a century-old oak that we will plant tomorrow" ~

Georgia: "hey, ya done well KT ...... hey BobbieSue, go gimme another beer..."

So. Cal: "huh?...oh...er, OMG!....DUDE!!! NOW wHo's gonna DEFLATE thE fOotBallS??!!!"


And now, on to the ND dirt sandwich Love-a-Thon: vvv

Originally Posted by stringertom

[Two things I pray for the rest of the year:

2. USC manages to beat Notre Dame.

It will be a total travesty if The Golden Domers wind up in the title game. Smoke and mirrors have been their 12th man.

Total Travesty? .......*ring*..."Hello?...Johnny's Pizza?...Er yeah, I'd like to order a large pie to go with sausage and peppers and lemme have a side order of objectivity....what's that?....you're out of objectivity?...ok, nevermind, forget the objectivity....twenty minutes?....ok, thank you.."

Originally Posted by BigServer1

Don't forget the officials, who played key roles in wins against Stanford and Pitt.

I don't forget-I remind myself of that unassailable fact each morning befor brushing my teeth: IT WAS THE REFS!!...yessir, that was it!

Originally Posted by Kevin T

Bama/Georgia are thrilled. One of them (likely Bama) gets to punk Notre Dame for the BCS title. God must be a Southerner/SEC administrator/Pac 12 ref or something.

What Hokie hokum you crumb bum! I think 'Bama's capable of punking ANYONE.
But Georgia?...punking ND?? Me thinks a lil' SEC myopia in play there KT?

Originally Posted by BigServer1

Part of me is rooting for ND this weekend,.

^^lol. To quote Dylan, "oh the times they are 'a changin'" - that's a "180" from a month ago BigS - wink

Originally Posted by hollywood9826

Its very possible ND loses to USC. But ND D does seem legit.

Kinda hard to see them playing in title game. but they have played enough good teams and are the lone unbeaten. They will deserve the spot..

Ah, that 'unbeaten' word again...

Originally Posted by Kevin T

With Barkley out for the ND game, I can't see USC pulling the upset. ND vs SEC champ will draw a big audience.

And yet, not-so-long ago, it was the other 'other shoe' (ND) wearing the upset tag.

Seriously, all kidding aside KT, here is the one thing I kept hearing repeated week after week in this thead: when it came to an upcoming opponent, it was "they're better than ND, no way ND will win." (@ Oklahoma anyone?). And yet once ND put 'em in their rear-view mirror, suddenly the goal posts got moved and then it was simply a matter of the opponent being a cream puff, or (but of course!): "bwaaa!!....the refs!!!" : ) And from that point on, I was convinced this thread was in large measure just an ND pile-on... just sayin'..

Originally Posted by Kevin T

Barkley is out against ND, so I think the Irish are in. Last I heard on ESPN last week, ND had the most difficult strength of schedule of the undefeated teams (not sure if that has changed). As much as I hate it, they didn't slip up and deserve to be there.
.

Hey, knock it off with facts as it concerns ND will ya 'dad'? : ) (j/k)

Originally Posted by volleygirl

not really sure why everyone thinks they will kill GA in SEC title game and destroy ND in chamionship game.

Hi volleygirl. They think 'Bama hammers GA because: the Bulldogs's relatively weak schedule, and as for ND? Gee, guess? (pssst...they'd have 'different refs' working the game) ; )

Originally Posted by norbac

Barkley out for SC.

OMG!!!...who's gonna DEFLATE the balls for the backup QB??!!!
Hmmm....I noticed no mention of that. Had that same cheating stunt applied to ND, tell me that a riot of "Piety-Gone-WILD" ranting wouldn't have ensued?

Originally Posted by Power Player

Let me know why Notre Dame would be in the NT since they barely won AT HOME in OT to PITT w/ the assistance of the refs. Pitt is terrible. No better than NC state really. Pitt is in a horrible conference and is 4-6. NC state is in a less horrible conference and is 6-5. Just for clarification if you don't know this.

ND got bailed out of theirs.

Totally understand and respect your FSU support-great! But your 'cherrypicking' ND bashing? Frankly PP, I am kinda weary of the "sob!...the refs GAVE IT to 'em!" jive.

Originally Posted by jamesblakefan#1

That's my point, FSU had to go unbeaten in ACC to have any shot at NC and they blew it, period.
And ND has done what no other team can say they've done, that is win every game on the schedule. I'm tired of people like you taking cheap shots at ND, if they beat USC they'll have played the toughest schedule of any of the top BCS teams. And like you said every team has a 'bad' game, so why is ND's bad game vs Pitt highlighted while you gloss over UF's? The same Pitt that beat down VT, who yall barely beat a few weeks ago BTW.

^^^^^This +10

Originally Posted by Power Player

ND got a lucky break from the refs to barely beat PITT AT HOME.

^^^ repeat: "sob!...it was the REFS!!...
lol, whatever

Originally Posted by jamesblakefan#1

Right, I guess ND's the first team in history to get a few breaks on their way to an unbeaten season..

Absolutely. They should be 5-4-2,..or something like that. : )

Originally Posted by Power Player

I guarantee if we badly beat UF you are going to hear people saying we deserve a crack.

^^True. And deservedly so. Why not?

Originally Posted by Power Player

I was there last year when we beat notre dame with our Oline that was starting undersized freshman, one who was still 17. Sorry if I am not in awe of the domers magnificent schedule with wins aided by the grace of God. lol..

^^^hmmm, do I hear a '500 lb. gorilla' lurking in the distance, y'all? lol

Screw all that for now. We can all agree on one thing: USC's cheerleaders in those white sweaters are "top shelf." Speaking of 'stuffing':

~ "Happy Thanksgiving to you and all your loved one, ya jive bunch 'o TURKEYS!"

[stringertom]

^^^I stand by my claim...ND has remained unbeaten with smoke and mirrors: 2 OT wins, 2 other 3-point wins (vs 6-5 & 5-6 teams) and another 7-point win. That's nearly half a season that could have gone the other way with one play. I will grant their defense is a top-notch group but I am still very underwhelmed by their offense. The TE is a legitimate pro prospect but the rest of their skill group...not so much, especially the 2-headed QB arrangement.

I am now almost wishing they reach the title game just so they will be exposed for the pretenders they are.

[jamesblakefan#1]

Originally Posted by stringertom

^^^I stand by my claim...ND has remained unbeaten with smoke and mirrors: 2 OT wins, 2 other 3-point wins (vs 6-5 & 5-6 teams) and another 7-point win. That's nearly half a season that could have gone the other way with one play. I will grant their defense is a top-notch group but I am still very underwhelmed by their offense. The TE is a legitimate pro prospect but the rest of their skill group...not so much, especially the 2-headed QB arrangement.

I am now almost wishing they reach the title game just so they will be exposed for the pretenders they are.

Not like Auburn had a lot of close games that could've gone the other way during their title run - oh wait...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Au..._football_team

And LSU completely dominated the year they won the NC....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_LS..._football_team

[BigServer1]

Originally Posted by Dedans Penthouse

Forward:
My 'Canes got dusted by ND and it wasn't very pretty, but I took my medicine and called it for what it was; a beatdown. I get the ND-hate and all. As to what might prompt it, it might be strictly football-related, or "name brand" hatred...or, maybe that '500 lb. gorilla in the room' (some other kind of 'bias' in play?)....who's to say?? Having said that, while the arguing on behalf of teams has been spirited and fun to read, I gotta be honest: the blind ND cheap shots have gone from funny to absurd in spots. But more importantly, MUCH more importantly:

KT, sincere congratulations on the welcome new addition to the family. Hope Mom and child are doing well.

That said KT, here are some "Best Wishes" sentiments from around the country on your family's joyous event:

Notre Dame: ~ "May the nourishment of the earth be yours;
may the clarity of the light be yours;
may the fluency of the ocean be yours;
may the protection of the ancestors be yours;
and may your blessed child be buried in a casket
made from the wood of a century-old oak that we will plant tomorrow" ~

Georgia: "hey, ya done well KT ...... hey BobbieSue, go gimme another beer..."

So. Cal: "huh?...oh...er, OMG!....DUDE!!! NOW wHo's gonna DEFLATE thE fOotBallS??!!!"


And now, on to the ND dirt sandwich Love-a-Thon: vvv

Total Travesty? .......*ring*..."Hello?...Johnny's Pizza?...Er yeah, I'd like to order a large pie to go with sausage and peppers and lemme have a side order of objectivity....what's that?....you're out of objectivity?...ok, nevermind, forget the objectivity....twenty minutes?....ok, thank you.."


I don't forget-I remind myself of that unassailable fact each morning befor brushing my teeth: IT WAS THE REFS!!...yessir, that was it!


What Hokie hokum you crumb bum! I think 'Bama's capable of punking ANYONE.
But Georgia?...punking ND?? Me thinks a lil' SEC myopia in play there KT?


^^lol. To quote Dylan, "oh the times they are 'a changin'" - that's a "180" from a month ago BigS - wink



Ah, that 'unbeaten' word again...



And yet, not-so-long ago, it was the other 'other shoe' (ND) wearing the upset tag.

Seriously, all kidding aside KT, here is the one thing I kept hearing repeated week after week in this thead: when it came to an upcoming opponent, it was "they're better than ND, no way ND will win." (@ Oklahoma anyone?). And yet once ND put 'em in their rear-view mirror, suddenly the goal posts got moved and then it was simply a matter of the opponent being a cream puff, or (but of course!): "bwaaa!!....the refs!!!" : ) And from that point on, I was convinced this thread was in large measure just an ND pile-on... just sayin'..



Hey, knock it off with facts as it concerns ND will ya 'dad'? : ) (j/k)



Hi volleygirl. They think 'Bama hammers GA because: the Bulldogs's relatively weak schedule, and as for ND? Gee, guess? (pssst...they'd have 'different refs' working the game) ; )



OMG!!!...who's gonna DEFLATE the balls for the backup QB??!!!
Hmmm....I noticed no mention of that. Had that same cheating stunt applied to ND, tell me that a riot of "Piety-Gone-WILD" ranting wouldn't have ensued?



Totally understand and respect your FSU support-great! But your 'cherrypicking' ND bashing? Frankly PP, I am kinda weary of the "sob!...the refs GAVE IT to 'em!" jive.

^^^^^This +10




^^^ repeat: "sob!...it was the REFS!!...
lol, whatever



Absolutely. They should be 5-4-2,..or something like that. : )



^^True. And deservedly so. Why not?


^^^hmmm, do I hear a '500 lb. gorilla' lurking in the distance, y'all? lol

Screw all that for now. We can all agree on one thing: USC's cheerleaders in those white sweaters are "top shelf." Speaking of 'stuffing':

~ "Happy Thanksgiving to you and all your loved one, ya jive bunch 'o TURKEYS!"

Amazing, and funny post as usual Dedans.

I'm rooting for ND this weekend because I don't want to see a second all SEC title game in a row. As for my general dislike of ND, it's rooted in the fact that ND got/gets preferential treatment from Bowls and voters alike because they have cache.

The reason ND went 15+ years in between bowl wins was because at 9-2 they would be a lock for a Big/BCS bowl berth. ND, love them or hate them, took away bowl spots from more deserving teams for more than a decade, and fans of said deserving teams had to watch their teams in a Dec. 30th bowl game while ND got housed by 20+ in their bowl game.

The ONLY reason ND has fallen out of favor recently with pollsters is the fact that they had a few really dismal seasons in a row, and the hype stopped somewhat. Now that they're "relevant" again, they'll probably be preseason top 5 and this whole cycle will start over again.

Blaming refs is low. I've done it, it's low. Still, ND, like any other national powerhouse gets their fair share of calls, including a couple this year that led directly to wins. Other teams have benefitted as well, no doubt.

Again, I hope ND wins Saturday, so we avoid Bama/UF. I do think the Irish would get crushed by Alabama, for whatever that's worth, which is not much.