Anantak2k sold fakes (maybe unintentional, still resolving) - Page 2

Fearsome Forehand · 09-10-2012, 02:25 PM

That is was what I was thinking was a possibility. Hell, they could both be fakes.

Also, I would think a real one would have the grip size molded into the pallet. #3 in this case. The buyers "real" one has a 3 molded into the pallet, the alleged fake does not.

This is crazy and confusing. I'm glad I hoarded my favorite racket and it was made well before all this counterfeit nonsense started.

mpournaras · 09-10-2012, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Fearsome Forehand

Any racket can be leaded, counterfeit or not so that really doesn't prove anything. What did the unleaded 27.5's weigh versus the 27's?

If I had to bet, I would bet counterfeit because of the differences in the string spacing and grommets. Also weird that the butt caps are different.

Go hit with them. If you like how they hit, you might want to keep them assuming the seller rebates you x dollars. If not, I think the seller should take them back and refund you what you paid plus return shipping.

Just by air swinging them, it is really hard to hit my one-hander with the extended length. So i probably wont hit with them much (if at all)

I just really wanted more than one of the nBlades that i know and love, that is why I bought more. Even if it is a Pro-stock i would send them back as it is not what i really wanted :/

mpournaras · 09-10-2012, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by UCSF2012

The racket with the tournagrip has a fake trap door.

The racket in question has a real trapdoor and foam inside...signs of an authentic racket.

Measure both rackets with a ruler to make sure your racket isn't 26.5 in. Right now, I'm wondering whether YOUR racket's fake.

Mine is 27.00 dead on. I got mine from my local Wilson sponsored club from a gentleman that I know very well. Mine came out to 10.65 unstrung when I weighed it when I got it years ago. I am sure mine is not a fake

Fearsome Forehand · 09-10-2012, 02:30 PM

Regardless of authenticity, the 27.5 length queers the deal. The seller should take them back. Let him figure out if they are real or not.

I hear you on the extended length thing. It makes a difference.

mpournaras · 09-10-2012, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Fearsome Forehand

This is crazy and confusing. I'm glad I hoarded my favorite racket and it was made well before all this counterfeit nonsense started.

Lol that is why I am desperate for nBlades. There is seriously nothing quite like them any more. It is a no-nonsense 98 low weight players frame... that is SOFT instead of 95 on the stiffness ratings

UCSF2012 · 09-10-2012, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by mpournaras

Mine is 27.00 dead on. I got mine from my local Wilson sponsored club from a gentleman that I know very well. Mine came out to 10.65 unstrung when I weighed it when I got it years ago. I am sure mine is not a fake

Your authentic racket has a fake buttcap.

mpournaras · 09-10-2012, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by UCSF2012

Your authentic racket has a fake buttcap.

It might have been pre-production or something as it was a "demo" racket sent out before the nBlades were released. I bought it when the KFactors came out as he did not need an nCode demo anymore. But it was identical to a retail nBlade. I just never looked under the buttcap until now

Edit: Just drilled holes in my "fake buttcap". There is a twin tube foam formation in there too. Just like the others

Fearsome Forehand · 09-10-2012, 03:16 PM

Based on his refs, the seller is an honest seller, I think he will agree to take the rackets back. If they are 27.5", they are not what you paid for so the counterfeit suspicion is really moot. 27.5 is different than 27. No dispute about that.

He can do the are they real or counterfeit investigation on his own time. I'm sure he thought they were real when he sold them to you even if it turns out they are not.

UCSF2012 · 09-10-2012, 04:50 PM

Hit with the racket. How's teh stiffness? Is it the same flex, or is it noticably flexy. Noticably meaning half stiffness.

I'd hold off on accusing the seller of selling fakes. Pro-stock Blades were 27.5 in. I remember seeing Priority 1 selling a bunch of 27.5 inch frames. You may have a real gem in your hands, but instead you dump it back on the seller.

mpournaras · 09-10-2012, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by UCSF2012

Hit with the racket. How's teh stiffness? Is it the same flex, or is it noticably flexy. Noticably meaning half stiffness.

I'd hold off on accusing the seller of selling fakes. Pro-stock Blades were 27.5 in. I remember seeing Priority 1 selling a bunch of 27.5 inch frames. You may have a real gem in your hands, but instead you dump it back on the seller.

Haha gem or no gem, I have little money to spend on rackets. I just want normal vanilla blades

If i had extra money I would love to keep some pro-stocks around... but I don't

UCSF2012 · 09-10-2012, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by mpournaras

Haha gem or no gem, I have little money to spend on rackets. I just want normal vanilla blades

If i had extra money I would love to keep some pro-stocks around... but I don't

They don't put foam into fakes. They didn't start doing that until the BLX series. That tells me that racket's some variant of a Wilson racket. Possilby prostock.

But it's a poor man's plight. No money to have the rare or nice things in this world. Return it if you must.

anantak2k · 09-10-2012, 06:05 PM

I am glad I came home to see that I am being accused of selling fake rackets after constantly being in communication with the buyer throughout the day.

Anyway, the mistake is mine for not measuring the two frames or even noticing that they were different from my other 4 frames.

I had a total of 6 nblade frames. 2 that I got directly from Wilson and 4 that I bought used from other tennis warehouse sellers (both sellers had great feedbacks by the way). I never actually noticed the difference since I had 4 of the frames in NYC and two of them in Miami. I honestly did not even notice a difference in playing with them, especially with Miami being so hot and humid and the courts being so slow compared to NYC.

I still don't think those frames are fake, I am guessing just some pro stock versions which the person who sold them to me was also unaware of. Once again it is my mistake for not recognizing the difference.

I definitely do not appreciate how the buyer went on with this whole situation, especially with the fact that I have constantly been in communication with the buyer throughout the whole process, including today after they emailed me about the issue. I have asked the buyer to return the frames to me. Once I get the frames, I will refund them the amount which I received (175) along with what it costs to ship the rackets back.

Again, obviously this was a mistake on my part for not noticing the difference. I currently still have two nblade frames with me. What I did notice are the two remaining frames I have are exactly 27'. They both have the little white grommet part near the bumper. Both have the same stringing pattern. Both weight the same. I will try to post pictures of these in a little while. Oh and what I found rather interesting is that one of them says midplus on the frame while the other one doesn't.

anantak2k · 09-10-2012, 06:28 PM

Here are some images of the two nblades that I currently have with me. They are a matching pair (same weight, grommets, balance) which I just checked. 27' in length. What's interesting is that one of them has mid plus written in it while the other one doesn't.

Anyway, again I will be refunding this buyer the $$ plus the shipping to send it back. I don't appreciate this person going around making accusations of fake frames without knowing anything for certain and while still dealing with the situation in which I was constantly responding to their mass emails throughout the day and throughout the entire process of them buying the racket which let me just say took a month or maybe more... It's absolutely disgusting.

And I do not need to know in every email how they are a poor college graduate student with no money. For that matter, everyone in the world does not need to know this. I myself am a grad student too, working on my doctorate but I don't have the need to constantly mention that I am a poor grad student to get pity out of people or something. Grad school is a choice.

Again my mistake for not noticing that the two frames that I had in Miami were different from the 4 that I had in NYC. Lesson learned.

Fearsome Forehand · 09-10-2012, 06:37 PM

Your rep is superb here based on your past references. I don't think this minor incident tarnishes it at all especially since you are doing the right thing and taking the rackets back. If anything it is a positive because you have proven that you take care of a problem if one occurs.

I don't think we can assume the rackets in question are pro stock frames just because they are 27.5". I would think the string spacing should line up if that was the case but perhaps not. They might just be well made counterfeits as those do exist. Or, they could be some variant of the NBlade made by Wilson. Pretty hard to know one way or the other.

And I agree that if you were responding to his emails in a positive way, the OP probably should not have posted this thread. Seems unnecessary especially since you seem to have accommodated him with generous payment terms. I guess he just got nervous.

Good luck in grad school. Are you at UM?

anantak2k · 09-10-2012, 06:48 PM

Yeah, the thread was definitely unnecessary as I was responding to the buyers emails within the hour!!! Once I get the frames back I will look into whether they are fake or pro stock. I honestly doubt that they are fakes but who knows. I have never seen a Wilson fake before. I have however seen Babolat fakes and those to me are very easy to tell no matter how close they look.

Thanks, I am not at UM their program is way too research oriented for my taste. I prefer more clinical work

Fearsome Forehand · 09-10-2012, 06:57 PM

Wilson has counterfeiting problems as bad or worse than Babolat. If the NBlade was a popular model, there are probably tons of fakes floating around. Some are trash, some are well made.

Must be FIU or maybe Barry.

At any rate, grad school really sucks at times. Nice when you get done with it though.

There are probably people here that could tell you for certain if those are real, or not. I have no idea. Buying used Wilsons and Babs is hazardous duty, evidently.

anantak2k · 09-10-2012, 07:02 PM

Yea I will figure the frames out once I get them back.
I have one more year of classes left after which I need to finish writing my dissertation along with a year of internship. Then I can finally have Dr. in front of my name while being somewhere around half a mil in debt

LOL

mpournaras · 09-10-2012, 08:24 PM

I admitted early in the thread that this was a mistake and was poorly handled, I also apologized in the email. Your countless other good references are impeccable and the mods will surely delete this thread.

Give me some negative feedback as I surely deserve it Dr. Anantak2k. My delayed payment was my mistake and poor scheduling. I don't see how mentioning my financial situation was a poor choice but whatever.

My mistake dude!

I hope you can sell these for a billion dollars to some pro-stock collector.

mpournaras · 09-10-2012, 08:33 PM

Also, can the mods delete this thread? I goofed and anantak2k does not deserve this on his name.

LanEvo · 09-10-2012, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by mpournaras

Also, can the mods delete this thread? I goofed and anantak2k does not deserve this on his name.

Just change your title, to resolved and the original seller as a nice a courteous seller and all will be good.

09-10-2012, 02:25 PM	#21
Fearsome Forehand Professional Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: USA Posts: 1,019	That is was what I was thinking was a possibility. Hell, they could both be fakes. Also, I would think a real one would have the grip size molded into the pallet. #3 in this case. The buyers "real" one has a 3 molded into the pallet, the alleged fake does not. This is crazy and confusing. I'm glad I hoarded my favorite racket and it was made well before all this counterfeit nonsense started. Last edited by Fearsome Forehand : 09-10-2012 at 11:39 PM.

09-10-2012, 03:16 PM	#28
Fearsome Forehand Professional Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: USA Posts: 1,019	Based on his refs, the seller is an honest seller, I think he will agree to take the rackets back. If they are 27.5", they are not what you paid for so the counterfeit suspicion is really moot. 27.5 is different than 27. No dispute about that. He can do the are they real or counterfeit investigation on his own time. I'm sure he thought they were real when he sold them to you even if it turns out they are not. Last edited by Fearsome Forehand : 09-10-2012 at 04:14 PM.

09-10-2012, 06:05 PM	#32
anantak2k Rookie Join Date: May 2007 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 275	I am glad I came home to see that I am being accused of selling fake rackets after constantly being in communication with the buyer throughout the day. Anyway, the mistake is mine for not measuring the two frames or even noticing that they were different from my other 4 frames. I had a total of 6 nblade frames. 2 that I got directly from Wilson and 4 that I bought used from other tennis warehouse sellers (both sellers had great feedbacks by the way). I never actually noticed the difference since I had 4 of the frames in NYC and two of them in Miami. I honestly did not even notice a difference in playing with them, especially with Miami being so hot and humid and the courts being so slow compared to NYC. I still don't think those frames are fake, I am guessing just some pro stock versions which the person who sold them to me was also unaware of. Once again it is my mistake for not recognizing the difference. I definitely do not appreciate how the buyer went on with this whole situation, especially with the fact that I have constantly been in communication with the buyer throughout the whole process, including today after they emailed me about the issue. I have asked the buyer to return the frames to me. Once I get the frames, I will refund them the amount which I received (175) along with what it costs to ship the rackets back. Again, obviously this was a mistake on my part for not noticing the difference. I currently still have two nblade frames with me. What I did notice are the two remaining frames I have are exactly 27'. They both have the little white grommet part near the bumper. Both have the same stringing pattern. Both weight the same. I will try to post pictures of these in a little while. Oh and what I found rather interesting is that one of them says midplus on the frame while the other one doesn't. __________________ Wilson BLX Pro Staff Six.One 95 Babolat Revenge 17g @50lbs

09-10-2012, 06:28 PM	#33
anantak2k Rookie Join Date: May 2007 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 275	Here are some images of the two nblades that I currently have with me. They are a matching pair (same weight, grommets, balance) which I just checked. 27' in length. What's interesting is that one of them has mid plus written in it while the other one doesn't. Anyway, again I will be refunding this buyer the $$ plus the shipping to send it back. I don't appreciate this person going around making accusations of fake frames without knowing anything for certain and while still dealing with the situation in which I was constantly responding to their mass emails throughout the day and throughout the entire process of them buying the racket which let me just say took a month or maybe more... It's absolutely disgusting. And I do not need to know in every email how they are a poor college graduate student with no money. For that matter, everyone in the world does not need to know this. I myself am a grad student too, working on my doctorate but I don't have the need to constantly mention that I am a poor grad student to get pity out of people or something. Grad school is a choice. Again my mistake for not noticing that the two frames that I had in Miami were different from the 4 that I had in NYC. Lesson learned. __________________ Wilson BLX Pro Staff Six.One 95 Babolat Revenge 17g @50lbs

09-10-2012, 06:37 PM	#34
Fearsome Forehand Professional Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: USA Posts: 1,019	Your rep is superb here based on your past references. I don't think this minor incident tarnishes it at all especially since you are doing the right thing and taking the rackets back. If anything it is a positive because you have proven that you take care of a problem if one occurs. I don't think we can assume the rackets in question are pro stock frames just because they are 27.5". I would think the string spacing should line up if that was the case but perhaps not. They might just be well made counterfeits as those do exist. Or, they could be some variant of the NBlade made by Wilson. Pretty hard to know one way or the other. And I agree that if you were responding to his emails in a positive way, the OP probably should not have posted this thread. Seems unnecessary especially since you seem to have accommodated him with generous payment terms. I guess he just got nervous. Good luck in grad school. Are you at UM? Last edited by Fearsome Forehand : 09-10-2012 at 06:45 PM.