Roger Federer, an introvert???? Vote and give your reasons for voting

[Nathaniel_Near]

Originally Posted by effortless

O.K so you know more than the "New Oxford American Dictionary"?
If you knew anything about psychology you would know that scientific definitions are often different to lay-people's definitions. Even psychologists don't agree on what introversion means. Its the same for many other sciences.
To me it sounds like someone is an introvert and desperately wants Federer to be one too (i can relate to that).

This is a naive post. For example an ENTP is far more similar to an INTP than an ISFP is. INTPs and ISFPs are extremely far removed from each other on the whole, despite sharing the trait of introversion.

[DeShaun]

Originally Posted by kalyan4fedever

Yes, on an other note djoker seems to be least arrogant among the big 3 outside tennis courts ofcourse.

Back to my earlier claim that introverts do not tend to seek attention by dying their hair or throwing temper tantrums both of which behaviors Federer acted out when he was younger, more unbridled in his actions, nearer to being his unrefined, natural self than the polished salesman that he is today. He is an extrovert in my view. He knows well the value in setting goals and delaying his gratification, and this is why he chose to become so stoic on court.

[Nathaniel_Near]

Originally Posted by DeShaun

Back to my earlier claim that introverts do not tend to seek attention by dying their hair or throwing temper tantrums both of which behaviors Federer acted out.

It happens, brah. A lot of introverts will still be deeply connected with individuality and fashion and such, and a lot of the angriest people I know are introverts. Good claim though, scientifically proven. You win.

[Emet74]

Well Fed has often spoken of himself as naturally shy though he's worked to overcome that. Here's him talking about how tennis success helped his social confidence:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVpVD-6roq8

Whether shyness and introversion is the same thing is another issue. Fed has also said he enjoys having people around, and Annacone has talked about how much more social Fed is than Sampras. But Fed likes to spend time w/ people in a casual way, lounging by the pool, playing cards, meeting in restaurants. He's not a night-club partier type person.

So make of that what you will

[effortless]

Originally Posted by Nathaniel_Near

This is a naive post. For example an ENTP is far more similar to an INTP than an ISFP is. INTPs and ISFPs are extremely far removed from each other on the whole, despite sharing the trait of introversion.

You didn't even say why its a naive post....

"Also Myers- Briggs type indicator" is one of thousands of psychometric measures of personality. Why are you so fixated on it? This post is about whether Federer is introverted or not. It's not about how Federer fits into Myer-Briggs type indicator.

Since you will probably perceive me to be attacking you personally i will just summarise my previous posts:
- introversion can be defined in a variety of ways (depending on the psychologist or dictionary etc.)
- Since people seem to disagree whether federer is an introvert or an extravert he is probably somewhere in the middle of the scale.
- There is fundamentally no way of knowing whether federer is an introvert or not
- As a fan I like to think Federer is an introvert

[effortless]

Originally Posted by Emet74

Well Fed has often spoken of himself as naturally shy though he's worked to overcome that. Here's him talking about how tennis success helped his social confidence:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVpVD-6roq8

Whether shyness and introversion is the same thing is another issue. Fed has also said he enjoys having people around, and Annacone has talked about how much more social Fed is than Sampras. But Fed likes to spend time w/ people in a casual way, lounging by the pool, playing cards, meeting in restaurants. He's not a night-club partier type person.

So make of that what you will

Thats a good post

[Nathaniel_Near]

Originally Posted by effortless

You didn't even say why its a naive post....

"Also Myers- Briggs type indicator" is one of thousands of psychometric measures of personality. Why are you so fixated on it? This post is about whether Federer is introverted or not. It's not about how Federer fits into Myer-Briggs type indicator.

Since you will probably perceive me to be attacking you personally i will just summarise my previous posts:
- introversion can be defined in a variety of ways (depending on the psychologist or dictionary etc.)
- Since people seem to disagree whether federer is an introvert or an extravert he is probably somewhere in the middle of the scale.
- There is fundamentally no way of knowing whether federer is an introvert or not
- As a fan I like to think Federer is an introvert

I answered why IMMEDIATELY after. I am fixated on the point that introversion or extroversion by any measure is only one part of the puzzle regardless of which system you use, ergo, your suggestion is deeply flawed because the correlation of overall likeness from person to person is marginalised when only looking at this simple aspect. Many extroverts will be more similar to introverts than introverts are to introverts and vice versa. I thought this point was very clear, and it's bizarre that you have accused me of not saying why your assertion was naive when I had already done so.

Regarding your points.

a. agree
b. I've always maintained it's a spectrum and Federer's case is not clear cut
c. well there kind of is, we'd kidnap him and force him to take some tests
d. As a fan I don't give a damn if Federer is either/or in terms of it relating to me personally, I am just interested in what is.

[*Val*]

Who gives a shit? Fed's probably somewhere in between, it's not like there are two opposite poles called 'extrovert' and 'introvert' and you can only be one or the other. Murray is definitely an introvert though, at least for the media.

[TaihtDuhShaat]

Originally Posted by Nathaniel_Near

For a long time, I though that Roger was either an ESFJ or an ESFP, but after watching a zillion videos of these types, despite much of the descriptions fitting Roger, and the fact that his propensity for having a long-term plan for his career is more likely to constitute J, they just seem too outwardly extroverted as types to really fit Roger.

If I had to guess, I would suggest that Roger is an ISFP, but I really don't know. What I do know is that it's almost impossible that he is an NT. I'm still not settled on this view, but it's amazing how much Roger reminds me of the couple of ISFPs I have known well in my lifetime, but the realisation of this only occurred recently.

http://www.personalitypage.com/ISFP.html

For other tennis pros, well it's difficult but here are some guesses.

Djokovic - ESTJ
Murray - ISTP I suppose.
Sampras - ISTP
Nadal - no idea, but the one I have considered the most is ISTJ
Agassi - not sure, maybe ESFP

Close with ISFP, but:

When INTJ's are tired, they fallback on using their last 2 functions:

Fi and Se

Which also happen to be the 1st and 2nd functions of the ISFP.

So the reason you are guessing Roger is an ISFP is because he is always tired! From tennis!

Djokovic- ENFJ
Nadal- ISTP

[-RF-]

Murray is the ultimate intravert, djokovic the extravert. Nadal is introverted, Federer a tiny bit.

[Nathaniel_Near]

Originally Posted by TaihtDuhShaat

Close with ISFP, but:

When INTJ's are tired, they fallback on using their last 2 functions:

Fi and Se

Which also happen to be the 1st and 2nd functions of the ISFP.

So the reason you are guessing Roger is an ISFP is because he is always tired! From tennis!

Djokovic- ENFJ
Nadal- ISTP

I'd bet my right bollock that Federer is not an INTJ. I've known and interacted with far too many of them. Roger is far removed.

I agree that Nadal might be an ISTP.

[smoledman]

This thread is more proof that 90% of TT threads are clownish. Federer routinely does 3 hours of interviews during grand slams and always has a smile on his face.

[Warmaster]

Federer is winning the poll!

[RF20Lennon]

Originally Posted by smoledman

This thread is more proof that 90% of TT threads are clownish. Federer routinely does 3 hours of interviews during grand slams and always has a smile on his face.

Yeah after winning the FO in 2009 the match finished at 6 or 7 fed went Horace to the hotel at 1am it was on some intervene the next day!

[TaihtDuhShaat]

From Socionics:

"INTjs (...) face angularity and composition of the features, like cheekbone and eyebrow arcs. Secondly their facial expression is often accepted as emotionless and severe.

"ISFps (...) Their faces are usually smooth and round without any obvious projections.

[Nathaniel_Near]

Originally Posted by TaihtDuhShaat

From Socionics:

"INTjs (...) face angularity and composition of the features, like cheekbone and eyebrow arcs. Secondly their facial expression is often accepted as emotionless and severe.

"ISFps (...) Their faces are usually smooth and round without any obvious projections.

Question, do you know any INTJs and are you one yourself?

More apt would be to read descriptions of the two types rather than referring to these visual traits (INTJs have a severe expression and would be caught dead before pulling a face like the one in my avatar btw, Fed is an uber dork).

http://www.personalitypage.com/INTJ.html

[TaihtDuhShaat]

My younger brother is an INTJ, and we have both been studying Myers-Briggs in depth for a few years now. BTW- he plays tennis EXACTLY like Fed. (And was a Nadal fan when he was younger!)

I am an INTP.

[Nathaniel_Near]

Originally Posted by TaihtDuhShaat

My younger brother is an INTJ, and we have both been studying Myers-Briggs in depth for a few years now. BTW- he plays tennis EXACTLY like Fed. (And was a Nadal fan when he was younger!)

I am an INTP.

I figured at least some sort of NT type.

Nobody can agree on a likely consensus for Roger Federer and there aren't many discussions about it either. He seems to have virtually no qualities of any typical NT type, he's about sensations and experiences rather than intellectualism and theories. NTs as you know only make up 10-15 ish % of the population and are likely extremely rare in the world of sports, unlike the sensors who were made for this kind of heavy duty action.

I do wonder how many people would read that INTJ profile and liken it to Roger Federer. INTJs are very forward with their ideas and opinions and aren't the least bit scared of upsetting the status quo to get them across. Someone like Nadal is more likely to be an INTJ to my mind, with how eloquently his translated Spanish comes across, and how philosophical his approach is. Federer by contrast talks about things in a much more straight forward manner and doesn't tend to theories and possibilities but judges what is and relates things to his 5 senses. (BTW I don't think Nadal is an INTJ, just a much more likely one than Federer).

[TaihtDuhShaat]

That's what I'm here for (INTP), to combine new ideas (likening Federer to an INTJ) and show someone a different way of thinking.

I respect your view and am happy that we had a debate rather than pure flame throwing.

[Nathaniel_Near]

Originally Posted by TaihtDuhShaat

That's what I'm here for (INTP), to combine new ideas (likening Federer to an INTJ) and show someone a different way of thinking.

I respect your view and am happy that we had a debate rather than pure flame throwing.

Yeh, well that's what usually happens when one INTP talks to another.