Wilson H19 and Pro Stock Blade

[VamosPanda]

Originally Posted by Big John

Yes, still a very heavy ball from closed pattern h22. Lets have a look at this logically. we're essentially looking at a replica of the head radical but it is somehow heavier in the construction, which makes the racquet heavier in the head ie - has a higher swing weight, even without additional lead. This is turn hits a heavier ball and gives the racquet a 'thicker' feeling on impact than the Head equivalent?

This high swing weight and the stiffer layup may be the cause of the arm problems many seem to experience with the H22?

The H22's seem to come in different layups, some are stiffer than others. The H19 has more flex but in the case of the one I have, has an even higher swing weight. It as a result hits an even bigger ball but good luck using it on faster courts without great technique.

I've got some h19's coming with a lower swing weight, going to be very interested to see how those play.

I'm playing on grass today and am going to play with the pro stock blades as they are much lighter swingweights than the h22's. The grass at this time of your I suspect will be a bit dodgy and having a lighter racquet can help when you need to adjust quickly? I'll be using the h22's on clay though, the extra swingweight really helps get the ball up high and through the court when you flatten it out.

It appears that just about any racquet will be more powerful and provide more easy access to spin in an open pattern and this seems to be the case with the h22's. What I have found with my flexier h22's in that the difference in spin and power between the open and the closed isn't that great. I string the closed pattern at 50lbs and the open at 53lbs and the power seems similar at that tension.

My major discovery from all of this is that you can generate heaps of spin from a tight patterned flexible racquet. I had previously thought I needed to go open pattern to hit big kickers, apparently not so..

I see. Btw, can I know what do you string at those close and open H22s?

[kiteboard]

I have two h22s. They don't match the pro stock pure drive gt+ I have for spin, esp. on kick/twist serves and an edged main string like msv hex. If you don't use a spin string, the spin diff. is not that great. It's only when you take advantage of the spin strings do the spin frames put out.

[MATEO2020]

very interesting thread here. very informative !!!

[Big John]

I'm sure that there are different layups of the h22. The stiffer ones are surprisingly stiff and I don't think provide that much spin in the tight pattern but plenty of pop. The flexy one does provide plenty of spin though.

I think the only way you'll get a lot of spin out of a tight pattern racquet in comparison to an open one like the PD is for it to be much more flexible. I have found the PD to provide almost too much spin of occasion, have had difficulty getting it through the court!

My open pattern H22's provide huge amounts of spin due to very open pattern but play stiffer than the 64 flex suggests, nowhere near as forgiving and easy to hit as the open pattern pro stock blade?

I got a couple more h19's this week that are more head light. That is a very solid all round racquet, hard to fault really.

[Power Player]

Spin is all about head speed. I get a lot of spin with my retail blade 98s.

[Big John]

Agreed Power Player. I was just trying to make the point that flexy racquets seem to provide more spin in tighter patterns than stiffer ones? Of course the open pattern equivalent will provide more spin, and I'm not suggesting that you can't get spin out of any racquet if you have great technique. What I am suggesting is that some flexy tight patterns can provide as much spin as stiffer open patterns and that flexy open patterns can provide a seriously 'heavy' ball, particularly with some weight in the head?

All of these H19's, H22's and Pro Stock Blades have a fair amount of weight in the head without lead, and hence hit a heavy ball stock. With more flex, more spin again. With stiffer layups, faster ball or more power, but less spin?

This is what I'm going through at the moment, my racquets are in the early 340's static weight with balances over 33.5 and hit heavy balls but the tradeoff is the ability to use your hands at the net or in the event of a bad bounce?

I'm now looking for a good setup for quick hard court or grass, where I've been using my 231.2 which is the same static weight but much more head light? Will try the h19's I got on Friday now with balance 32, static weight 348 at standard length now and see how they compare? Also throwing a Clilic 231.3 in there with about 5 more grams in there with an open pattern, interesting comparison..

[TaihtDuhShaat]

Originally Posted by Big John

Agreed Power Player. I was just trying to make the point that flexy racquets seem to provide more spin in tighter patterns than stiffer ones? Of course the open pattern equivalent will provide more spin, and I'm not suggesting that you can't get spin out of any racquet if you have great technique. What I am suggesting is that some flexy tight patterns can provide as much spin as stiffer open patterns and that flexy open patterns can provide a seriously 'heavy' ball, particularly with some weight in the head?

All of these H19's, H22's and Pro Stock Blades have a fair amount of weight in the head without lead, and hence hit a heavy ball stock. With more flex, more spin again. With stiffer layups, faster ball or more power, but less spin?

This is what I'm going through at the moment, my racquets are in the early 340's static weight with balances over 33.5 and hit heavy balls but the tradeoff is the ability to use your hands at the net or in the event of a bad bounce?

I'm now looking for a good setup for quick hard court or grass, where I've been using my 231.2 which is the same static weight but much more head light? Will try the h19's I got on Friday now with balance 32, static weight 348 at standard length now and see how they compare? Also throwing a Clilic 231.3 in there with about 5 more grams in there with an open pattern, interesting comparison..

Agree 100% about the flex/spin relationship you wrote.

It's all about finding the right balance of stiffness and pattern density for the amount of SW in your frame.