Better athlete: Federer or Sampras

[fed_rulz]

Originally Posted by dangalak

Seriously, this is a joke, you cannot possibly be this way.

I guess Federer is also faster than Blake, since he is a better defender.

so what metric would you use to judge "speed" ?

[tennis_pro]

Originally Posted by dangalak

.............

Good God just get out of here.

How about using your eyes, genius.

My eyes tell me that Federer's a better athelete. See we got to a dead end, genius. LOL

I want hard evidence that Sampras is superior in this area, stats, points, whatever. All you got is a faulty sentimental memory which tells you that Sampras from the get go is better than Federer in everything including cooking, scuba diving and drinking.

Here's one video showing Federer's speed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUnCOhMV-1U Use your eyes, please and find me a video showing Sampras superior speed.

[dangalak]

Originally Posted by fed_rulz

thank you. now we can get somewhere.

using my eyes:
speed -- Federer (evidence: 10x better defense)

Yes, because "10 times better defense" is ALL speed. It has nothing to do with anticipation, footwork, balance, defensive shotmaking.

Originally Posted by fed_rulz

acceleration -- Federer (evidence: near impossible to hit drop shots, or winners in general. ability to get to seemingly impossible balls, exceeded only by Nadal and Djokovic)

Genius, who the hell hits dropshots against a serve and volleyer? You were trying to pin him to the baseline.

Originally Posted by fed_rulz

jumping ability -- about even

Originally Posted by fed_rulz

power -- Federer (evidence: hits FH and BH consistently harder than Sampras)

Oh my God....

Yes that has nothing to do with Sampras not having CONSISTENT groundstrokes.

Also, by some strange coincidence, Sampras served about 15 mph harder, with the same precision and the same motion.

Originally Posted by fed_rulz

force in a short time -- Federer (this one is not even close. Federer is the master of hitting winners from seemingly impossible and defensive positions).

What the hell are you blabbering about?

Originally Posted by fed_rulz

combined with better stamina, you have Federer being a clear winner, as the poll results also indicate. As you rightly noted, people wouldn't be saying so if it wasn't true.

It isn't the same, genius. Overall athleticism is hard to quantify. It is visible with the naked eye that Sampras was a far better leaper than Federer and something that literally nobody but you denies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...zR8BYaHc#t=40s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...43OVUPE#t=760s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...v3K1ctSM#t=38s

[dangalak]

Originally Posted by tennis_pro

My eyes tell me that Federer's a better athelete. See we got to a dead end, genius. LOL

I want hard evidence that Sampras is superior in this area, stats, points, whatever. All you got is a faulty sentimental memory which tells you that Sampras from the get go is better than Federer in everything including cooking, scuba diving and drinking.

Here's one video showing Federer's speed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUnCOhMV-1U Use your eyes, please and find me a video showing Sampras superior speed.

That isn't a normal tv ratio. He looks twice as slow in the normal ratio.

Seriously, this is where everyone that expected even a slight amount of impartiality from this part of the forum needs to give up all hope.

How deluded do you have to believe that a guy like Federer is faster than SAMPRAS? I mean my GOD.

[tennis_pro]

Originally Posted by dangalak

That isn't a normal tv ratio. He looks twice as slow in the normal ratio.

Seriously, this is where everyone that expected even a slight amount of impartiality from this part of the forum needs to give up all hope.

How deluded do you have to believe that a guy like Federer is faster than SAMPRAS? I mean my GOD.

That's exactly the response I was expecting from a Samprastard, instead of posting a video proving me wrong you throw in "you're deluded".

Well if you say so. I guess those 108 other people who voted for Federer know nothing as well.

[edberg505]

Originally Posted by dangalak

That isn't a normal tv ratio. He looks twice as slow in the normal ratio.

Seriously, this is where everyone that expected even a slight amount of impartiality from this part of the forum needs to give up all hope.

How deluded do you have to believe that a guy like Federer is faster than SAMPRAS? I mean my GOD.

LOL, you make it seems as if the disparity between their speed is huge. From the way you are making it sound; it's as if Sampras is has Nadal like speed and Federer has Karlovic speed. I mean c'mon. This is like arguing which twin looks better. I honestly think the difference is negligible.

I mean how can you say that this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcVHv...tailpage#t=34s isn't fast?

or this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0R7NVAHW4Ro

[10is]

Originally Posted by smoledman

Especially when you consider Federer's backhand smash...

Enough said!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjNGVz9lIr8

[smoledman]

Federer is explosive but does it in a way that suggests flowing water. Remember David Foster Wallace called his forehand a "great liquid whip". Nobody ever used those adjectives with Sampras.

[dangalak]

Originally Posted by tennis_pro

That's exactly the response I was expecting from a Samprastard, instead of posting a video proving me wrong you throw in "you're deluded".

I am a *******

Originally Posted by edberg505

LOL, you make it seems as if the disparity between their speed is huge. From the way you are making it sound; it's as if Sampras is has Nadal like speed and Federer has Karlovic speed. I mean c'mon. This is like arguing which twin looks better. I honestly think the difference is negligible.

I mean how can you say that this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcVHv...tailpage#t=34s isn't fast?

or this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0R7NVAHW4Ro

Sorry, dude, but not even close. Why would you pick examples from Fed's later year. He was much faster. Sampras was about as fast as Nadal is.

[tennis_pro]

Originally Posted by dangalak

Sorry, dude, but not even close. Why would you pick examples from Fed's later year. He was much faster. Sampras was about as fast as Nadal is.

You're telling us that Sampras was about as fast as this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgusk4Vn4Ek

The only players that ecome close to Nadal's speed are Borg and Chang. Even Hewitt wasn't that fast and he surely was faster than Sampras.

[10is]

Originally Posted by dangalak

Why would you pick examples from Fed's later year.

He's right. If you people want to demonstrate Federer's peak athleticism why choose matches from his post-prime period?

[edberg505]

Originally Posted by dangalak

I am a *******



Sorry, dude, but not even close. Why would you pick examples from Fed's later year. He was much faster. Sampras was about as fast as Nadal is.

LOL, well that about concludes this little colloquy.

What I learned today. Pete Sampras = "Fastest Man Alive".

[dangalak]

Originally Posted by tennis_pro

You're telling us that Sampras was about as fast as this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgusk4Vn4Ek

The only players that ecome close to Nadal's speed are Borg and Chang. Even Hewitt wasn't that fast and he surely was faster than Sampras.

Pretty sure Hewitt was at least as quick as Nadal.

Also, you are massively underestimating guys like Monfils, Blake and Phau, if you think only Chang and Borg were on Nadal's level.

Also, Nadal started really early, read Davydenko well.

At least one has to admit that Sampras accelerated with the best of them. His 0-60 was unsurpassed.

[edberg505]

Originally Posted by 10is

He's right. If you people want to demonstrate Federer's peak athleticism why choose matches from his post-prime period?

Because that was 3 years ago and I thought he was pretty fast then. It is crazy how some people raise Sampras to deity like status, presumbably because they assume some probably didn't see him play. I've seen them both play. It kinda makes me wonder if in 15 years or so if people will be doing the same to Federer. Sure, I've seen Federer play. He was so fast he could beat Usain Bolt running backwards with a beer in both hands.

[dangalak]

Originally Posted by edberg505

LOL, well that about concludes this little colloquy.

What I learned today. Pete Sampras = "Fastest Man Alive".

Is it possible that you are overestimating Nadal's quickness? I already admitted that Nadal is a better athlete than Sampras ever was, since he had the at best equivalent speed but clearly inferior stamina.

[edberg505]

Originally Posted by tennis_pro

You're telling us that Sampras was about as fast as this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgusk4Vn4Ek

The only players that ecome close to Nadal's speed are Borg and Chang. Even Hewitt wasn't that fast and he surely was faster than Sampras.

Blasphemy, Pete could run rings around Hewitt. LOL. Yes, that statement is exploding with sarcasm.

[dangalak]

Originally Posted by edberg505

Blasphemy, Pete could run rings around Hewitt. LOL. Yes, that statement is exploding with sarcasm.

Seriously, I have been a ******* since forever. What is wrong in saying Sampras was as fast as Hewitt? It's like I compared him to Monfils.

Maybe he was slower than Hewitt, but he certainly was faster than Federer.

EDIT: If you don't like what I say, care to name some players Pete was faster than?

[tennis_pro]

Originally Posted by dangalak

Is it possible that you are overestimating Nadal's quickness? I already admitted that Nadal is a better athlete than Sampras ever was, since he had the at best equivalent speed but clearly inferior stamina.

So you use different standards for Federer (saying for instance that Sampras jumped higher) but completely ignore them in the Nadal-Sampras comparison as you give a walkover to Nadal? Well how do you prove that Nadal can jump as high as Sampras? I mean come on, you're losing it.

If you base your final judgment on endunrace well what would you know I don't remember seeing Federer grasp for air once, I don't remember him losing a 5th set because he was tired, every time he was either outplayed or had a mental letdown. Sampras was dead tired in a 5th set a lot of the times, especially later on in his career.

[NadalAgassi]

Originally Posted by dangalak

Pretty sure Hewitt was at least as quick as Nadal.

Also, you are massively underestimating guys like Monfils, Blake and Phau, if you think only Chang and Borg were on Nadal's level.

No to all of that, other than Monfils if you are talking on a track only (on a tennis court nowhere close).

[dangalak]

Originally Posted by tennis_pro

So you use different standards for Federer (saying for instance that Sampras jumped higher) but completely ignore them in the Nadal-Sampras comparison as you give a walkover to Nadal? Well how do you prove that Nadal can jump as high as Sampras? I mean come on, you're losing it.

If you base your final judgment on endunrace well what would you know I don't remember seeing Federer grasp for air once.

I don't think Nadal jumps as high as Sampras, but he is as fast or faster AND has much better stamina. Equal in one area and vastly superior in the other.

However, Federer is clearly inferior in one area and vastly superior in the other which is why I thought of making this thread.

What a terrible idea that was.