Will Djokovic end up with a better career than Nadal ? - Page 3

christinamaniac7 · 10-31-2012, 12:45 PM

No way in freezing hell will nole have a chance to even with nadal...

Clarky21 · 10-31-2012, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by christinamaniac7

No way in freezing hell will nole have a chance to even with nadal...

Yes he will.

tennisdad65 · 10-31-2012, 01:06 PM

Nadal 15 - Novak 10

Agassifan · 10-31-2012, 01:20 PM

Similar type of career, although Rafa will have 70% of his slams at one venue.

mattennis · 10-31-2012, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by 90's Clay

Ehh... Its not really that hard to win slams today if you are among the top 4 though

. In fact, with the homogenizations of conditions over the past decade, and lack of depth in the field (and upcoming generation of "players" I use that term loosely), it couldn't be any EASIER for the top guys.

Court specialists are gone, the day you had to worry about going from slow clay to lightning fast grass and hard court season is gone etc..

Homogenization = More number of competitive players at every Slam.

The fact that only the top 4 guys win everything doesn't mean it's easier winning Slams. How many guys have won more than 1 Slam in the past 10 years? 3. Back in the 90s? Way more. Maybe it's just a more exclusive club, now?

You both are saying exactly the same thing.

For the top 3 ( now top 4 ) winning GS tournaments in this era is easier than in any other era, which is exactly the same as saying that for the players outside the top 4 it is more difficult to win a GS tournament than in any other era.

Given that almost all the GS tournaments have been won by the same top 4 players in the last years, what you both are saying is a tautology.

And it is mostly a result of homogenization of playing conditions and baseline game being the only one winning playing style today.

Ms Nadal · 10-31-2012, 02:35 PM

I don't think so.

mattennis · 10-31-2012, 02:36 PM

In spite of that, I think Nadal will not reach 17 GS, and Djokovic will not reach 11 GS (Murray may reach 5 GS).

In fact if I had to bet I'd say that at the end of their careers it will be:

Federer: 17 GS
Nadal: 12 GS
Djokovic: 9 GS
Murray: 5 GS

or something along this line.

Ms Nadal · 10-31-2012, 02:39 PM

I think Rafa can win some more slams. So he better return to give his fans some more great memories to add to the collection!

Clarky21 · 10-31-2012, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Ms Nadal

I think Rafa can win some more slams. So he better return to give his fans some more great memories to add to the collection!

Not me,and the only memories over the past 2 years as a Nadal fan have all been bad. Wasn't much joy to be taken from 2011 or 2012.

PrinceMoron · 10-31-2012, 02:44 PM

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I don't think so.

Do you miss Nadal?

mattennis · 10-31-2012, 02:44 PM

I only give him one more (probably RG) because it is extremely hard to return to the top of the game once you've been out for that long (six months or more) and I seriously think Nadal will be injured again and again from now on given his propensity to hurt his knees ( and what not! ) and given that he is nearing his 27 birthday (and he's been pounding his body since he was a very child).

Ms Nadal · 10-31-2012, 02:47 PM

Wrong message

Ms Nadal · 10-31-2012, 02:49 PM

When I said I don't think so it was answering the thread question. Djokovic won't be as successful as Rafa in my eyes.

Ms Nadal · 10-31-2012, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by PrinceMoron

Do you miss Nadal?

You're kidding me, right? Of course I miss Rafa! he is my favourite player. I miss him bad!

Ms Nadal · 10-31-2012, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Clarky21

Not me,and the only memories over the past 2 years as a Nadal fan have all been bad. Wasn't much joy to be taken from 2011 or 2012.

Why do you say that? 2011 was terrible for all the Djok stuffings especially that Wimbledon! But at least Rafa won his RG!. 2012 started well, ok Rafa lost the AO final but he fought so hard in that match and I am proud of him for that. He had made progress with Djokovic! and was building up some courage against Djokovic. And Rafa had a good clay season ending with 7th RG title. Clarky, those moments made me proud. We must remember the good things. I hope and pray that Rafa does return!

beast of mallorca · 10-31-2012, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by mattennis

In spite of that, I think Nadal will not reach 17 GS, and Djokovic will not reach 11 GS (Murray may reach 5 GS).

In fact if I had to bet I'd say that at the end of their careers it will be:

Federer: 17 GS
Nadal: 12 GS
Djokovic: 9 GS
Murray: 5 GS

or something along this line.

This total GS to be won is in a span of 2 yrs.+
Who else do you think will be winning the rest of the GS for the next 4 yrs ?

mattennis · 10-31-2012, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by beast of mallorca

This total GS to be won is in a span of 2 yrs.+
Who else do you think will be winning the rest of the GS for the next 4 yrs ?

Ummm, you're right, I had not thought about that.

In fact right now I can not think of any player ( outside the top 4 ) winning a GS tournament any time soon.

So maybe you're right and they will end up with more GS total than I previously thought.

Clarky21 · 10-31-2012, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Ms Nadal

Why do you say that? 2011 was terrible for all the Djok stuffings especially that Wimbledon! But at least Rafa won his RG!. 2012 started well, ok Rafa lost the AO final but he fought so hard in that match and I am proud of him for that. He had made progress with Djokovic! and was building up some courage against Djokovic. And Rafa had a good clay season ending with 7th RG title. Clarky, those moments made me proud. We must remember the good things. I hope and pray that Rafa does return!

Thanks to Fed,or else Nadal would have gone slamless last year.

Those few things don't make up for the rest of the crap 2011 and 2012 were made up of. They don't erase 7 finals in a row lost,or the injuries forcing him to miss half the year. The past 2 years have sucked as a Nadal fan. There's not been much at all to cheer about.

beast of mallorca · 10-31-2012, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by mattennis

Ummm, you're right, I had not thought about that.

In fact right now I can not think of any player ( outside the top 4 ) winning a GS tournament any time soon.

So maybe you're right and they will end up with more GS total than I previously thought.

i know. Because when I looked and thought about it, I really can't put a name to a GS winner outside of the 4. Unless by way of a tragedy, Roger and Rafa retires, or anyone of the top 4 gets sick or someting. So, unless something of the extraordinary happens, Im thinking, these 4 will still get the majority of the SLAMS in the next 4 yrs at least.

Maybe Delpo, Tsonga, Berdych or Ferrer will snatch a Slam or 2. Outside of them who ? Wawrinka, Almagro, Tipsy ?

tHE YOUNG ONES ? I watch Raonic today, and his game is not ripe to win a Major. His defense etc is too weak. He barely snapped a win against Chardy. Hopefully, he improves. Nishikori ? Remains to be seen. Serve among other things are in question. Isner or Querrey ? Nahhh. Tomic, Harrison ? double nahhh

But maybe I'm wrong and a prodigy will just come out of nowhere.

Gonzo_style · 10-31-2012, 03:51 PM

We'll know better after next year, if he wins RG and be #1 (third consecutive) Djokovic would be very close to Rafa...

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