Murray and the Dunblane School Massacre.

Fedex · 09-28-2012, 08:13 PM

Ok. Let's bring up something more profound:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2008...ennis.scotland
Very interesting read.

Did this terrible event affect Murray and drive him to be the player he is today.
Did it make him insular and focused on tennis to escape the trauma.
He says he doesn't remember much and that his parents divorce had a huge impact on him causing him to look for distraction.
Or was it a combination of both?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYFJjVcFFr0

Prisoner of Birth · 09-28-2012, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Fedex

Ok. Let's bring up something more profound:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2008...ennis.scotland
Very interesting read.

Did this terrible event affect Murray and drive him to be the player he is today.
Did it make him insular and focused on tennis to escape the trauma.
He says he doesn't remember much and that his parents divorce had a huge impact on him causing him to look for distraction.
Or was it a combination of both?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYFJjVcFFr0

I don't think it really affected him. If he says he doesn't remember much, I believe him.

Fedex · 09-28-2012, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Prisoner of Birth

I don't think it really affected him. If he says he doesn't remember much, I believe him.

Read the article.

Prisoner of Birth · 09-28-2012, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Fedex

Read the article.

I would if I could open it.

ETA : Yeah, it opens now.

Sid_Vicious · 09-28-2012, 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fedex

Ok. Let's bring up something more profound:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2008...ennis.scotland
Very interesting read.

Did this terrible event affect Murray and drive him to be the player he is today.
Did it make him insular and focused on tennis to escape the trauma.
He says he doesn't remember much and that his parents divorce had a huge impact on him causing him to look for distraction.
Or was it a combination of both?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYFJjVcFFr0

I believe Andy does not like to talk about this topic, so I can't be sure how much it affected him.

I read an interview with Andy's father, and according to him, Andy was extremely competitive from a very young age.

Quote:

‘The urge to win was something Andy had from a very young age,’ he recalls. ‘I filmed the two boys when they played in Solihull in an under-12 tournament. It didn’t matter that he was playing his older brother, Andy didn’t just want to win, he wanted to crush Jamie. He was so little, the racket was as big as him.

I personally think having such a competitive personality was the biggest factor.

Fedex · 09-28-2012, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Prisoner of Birth

I would if I could open it.

ETA : Yeah, it opens now.

Yes sorry I fixed it.
I get the impression he thought he nearly lost his mum twice.
Once in the massacre and once in the divorce.
For a young kid if that feels real then it's a terrible and powerful thing and I think Andy Murray shut it out of his head by diving headlong into an activity and it was tennis. Never let you down. Control your own destiny.

Fedex · 09-28-2012, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Sid_Vicious

I believe Andy does not like to talk about this topic, so I can't be sure how much it affected him.

I read an interview with Andy's father, and according to him, Andy was extremely competitive from a very young age.

I personally think having such a competitive personality was the biggest factor.

Sure it's most likely the biggest but did the others have an effect too?
I think they did.

Sid_Vicious · 09-28-2012, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Fedex

Yes sorry I fixed it.
I get the impression he thought he nearly lost his mum twice.
Once in the massacre and once in the divorce.
For a young kid if that feels real then it's a terrible and powerful thing and I think Andy Murray shut it out of his head by diving headlong into an activity and it was tennis. Never let you down. Control your own destiny.

Arthur Ashe did the same thing. To deal with the pain of his mother's death, he spent his entire time studying or playing tennis.

Fedex · 09-28-2012, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Sid_Vicious

Arthur Ashe did the same thing. To deal with the pain of his mother's death, he spent his entire time studying or playing tennis.

There was a quiet boy in the same year as me in my secondary school in Dundee called Davey Jones. A very, very quiet lad. you wouldn't know he was there.
Turns out his dad was physically abusing him, alcohol driven beatings and the like.
He then shut himself in the room, never played outside, only obsessively with his Sinclair Computer.
Ended up writing Grand Theft Auto.

Fedex · 09-28-2012, 08:36 PM

See link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_J...e_developer%29

Sentinel · 09-28-2012, 08:55 PM

^ Fedex, you should not be exposing names of real people.

Seems Andy's memory of the event was patchy. He was not even in the room of the incident. He is remembering more that fact that he knew the boy, and the boy drove with them.

batz · 09-29-2012, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Sentinel

^ Fedex, you should not be exposing names of real people.

Seems Andy's memory of the event was patchy. He was not even in the room of the incident. He is remembering more that fact that he knew the boy, and the boy drove with them.

To be fair Senti, Davey Jones's story is already in the public domain.

My tuppence worth - I don't see how hiding under a headmaster's desk while someone is running around shooting kids can't have an effect on an 8 year old.

That said, Jamie was hiding under the same desk, and he didn't become a driven, world class player.

jaggy · 09-29-2012, 06:52 AM

Davy Jones is a great name. Ya swab.

Ash_Smith · 09-29-2012, 06:59 AM

As far as I am aware (although i've never spoken to him about it personally) Andy has said he doesn't remember much, if anything, about that day and much of his recollection comes from what he has been told since.

cheers

Tammo · 09-29-2012, 07:03 AM

I think everyone is missing the most important thing that Murray said bananas are a pathetic fruit

Mainad · 09-29-2012, 07:35 AM

He may not have fully understood what was going on during that terrible day, but it must have left an impression when he realised what had happened. Nobody is told to hide under the Headmaster's desk for nothing. The fact that he knew the killer personally must have been even more shocking!

He's obviously not one to dwell on things like this. It certainly didn't affect his ambition to become a world-class tennis player. But it must be a sobering thought to realise that, but for a bit of luck, his life and ambitions could so easily have been snuffed out there and then!

On a personal note, I feel a slight link with the Dunblane tragedy. On the day it happened, I was working in the Purchasing Dept of Royal Mail and was contacted by the manager of one of our depots whom I knew. He was trying to obtain flight tickets for one of his distraught employees whose daughter had been injured in the shootings. The manager hadn't been able to arrange anything quickly enough and asked me for help. I had only just begun hearing reports of the incident when he rang me and I immediately contacted our contract travel agency to facilitate the arrangements and they did so. The poor guy was able to fly out the same day. Thankfully his daughter survived and I got a nice thank-you letter from him and his manager. I always recall that when I hear talk about Dunblane especially as Andy Murray, our future number one tennis player, turned out to be one of the kids who could so easily have been injured or killed. There but for the grace of God etc....!

Mainad · 09-29-2012, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Tammo

I think everyone is missing the most important thing that Murray said bananas are a pathetic fruit

No doubt he'll be getting more hate mail now from all the banana-loving tennis fans on here along with the English football fans!

09-28-2012, 08:13 PM	#1
Fedex Hall Of Fame Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Dundee Posts: 4,102	Murray and the Dunblane School Massacre. Ok. Let's bring up something more profound: http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2008...ennis.scotland Very interesting read. Did this terrible event affect Murray and drive him to be the player he is today. Did it make him insular and focused on tennis to escape the trauma. He says he doesn't remember much and that his parents divorce had a huge impact on him causing him to look for distraction. Or was it a combination of both? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYFJjVcFFr0 __________________ "Some evil disposed people have joined Andrew Moray" Last edited by Fedex : 09-28-2012 at 08:17 PM.

09-28-2012, 08:36 PM	#10
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09-28-2012, 08:55 PM	#11
Sentinel Talk Tennis Guru Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: The Past Posts: 23,337	^ Fedex, you should not be exposing names of real people. Seems Andy's memory of the event was patchy. He was not even in the room of the incident. He is remembering more that fact that he knew the boy, and the boy drove with them. __________________ Nobody knows where you are, how near or how far.

09-29-2012, 06:59 AM	#14
Ash_Smith Hall Of Fame Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 2,259	As far as I am aware (although i've never spoken to him about it personally) Andy has said he doesn't remember much, if anything, about that day and much of his recollection comes from what he has been told since. cheers __________________ I tweet - @ashtennis guru (no spaces) I Shoot - www.flickr.com/photos/ashtennis guru/ (again no spaces! grrr)

09-29-2012, 07:35 AM	#16
Mainad Hall Of Fame Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 4,805	He may not have fully understood what was going on during that terrible day, but it must have left an impression when he realised what had happened. Nobody is told to hide under the Headmaster's desk for nothing. The fact that he knew the killer personally must have been even more shocking! He's obviously not one to dwell on things like this. It certainly didn't affect his ambition to become a world-class tennis player. But it must be a sobering thought to realise that, but for a bit of luck, his life and ambitions could so easily have been snuffed out there and then! On a personal note, I feel a slight link with the Dunblane tragedy. On the day it happened, I was working in the Purchasing Dept of Royal Mail and was contacted by the manager of one of our depots whom I knew. He was trying to obtain flight tickets for one of his distraught employees whose daughter had been injured in the shootings. The manager hadn't been able to arrange anything quickly enough and asked me for help. I had only just begun hearing reports of the incident when he rang me and I immediately contacted our contract travel agency to facilitate the arrangements and they did so. The poor guy was able to fly out the same day. Thankfully his daughter survived and I got a nice thank-you letter from him and his manager. I always recall that when I hear talk about Dunblane especially as Andy Murray, our future number one tennis player, turned out to be one of the kids who could so easily have been injured or killed. There but for the grace of God etc....! __________________ “Other than when Andy lost to Novak in 2011 he has always played the No.1 player in the world in the finals, those are difficult to win." (I. Lendl).