Is anybody kinda disappointed that the 2012 doomsday nuts aren't putting up more...

[PrimeChoice]

Does this mean I can call in sick to work?

[NickC]

Originally Posted by PrimeChoice

Does this mean I can call in sick to work?

No. Go be a productive member of society and work.

[chrischris]

Originally Posted by PrimeChoice

Does this mean I can call in sick to work?

Yep. Go to the sick job and produce a society worth it.

[mxmx]

Originally Posted by chrischris

By 'more so no' are you implying you feel its wise and responsable to t rely on the support of 'supernatural' influences to determine the outcomes rather than those we can measure and impact?

Well...trust can be something that grows. We have not been left 100% blind. To everyone a measure of faith is given and some part of us, needs to be wise, another part should trust and use faith. As we step out and do things in faith, the trust grows.

[chrischris]

Originally Posted by mxmx

Well...trust can be something that grows. We have not been left 100% blind. To everyone a measure of faith is given and some part of us, needs to be wise, another part should trust and use faith. As we step out and do things in faith, the trust grows.

Ok, but please answer my question and i will receive that in good faith and my trust may then grow.

[mxmx]

Originally Posted by chrischris

Ok, but please answer my question and i will receive that in good faith and my trust may then grow.
:
By 'more so no' are you implying you feel its wise and responsable to t rely on the support of 'supernatural' influences to determine the outcomes rather than those we can measure and impact?

If the supernatural influences are based on constants such as goodness and love - yes. If not, no. How do we know if the supernatural is good? We can test practically through relationship, and the already built in faith given us.....the rest will need to be done in faith - a hearts decision, much like the automatic leap of faith a bird does as it leaves the nest. We can either nurture or starve the faith we do have. I would rather choose a God willing to die for my attention, than one who demands attention. Salvation is given more than it is earned. A God who owes us nothing, who has no reason to be humble, showed true example of humility and sacrifice. I want the same humility, for pride makes one fall and the humble will be lifted.

We were placed on this earth not just to live in faith, but to live in action also. Action often proves faith. We have to partially let go and just believe, yet, in the same breath, make a decision to believe ourselves and take action. It is what we choose to do with the little we know, and the amount of faith we have now. Sometimes, we need to look at the signs.Sometimes we can have control and influence, and sometimes things are out of our control and influence. It is a draw near to the Creator and the Creator will draw near to you kind of thing. The more we get closer, the more we will realise just how unmeasurable the 'supernatural' is, but we will at least get more of a grasp of the scale of things. Our worth and potential is multiplied when we do not try and do everything ourselves.

[chrischris]

Originally Posted by mxmx

If the supernatural influences are based on constants such as goodness and love - yes. If not, no. How do we know if the supernatural is good? We can test practically through relationship, and the already built in faith given us.....the rest will need to be done in faith - a hearts decision, much like the automatic leap of faith a bird does as it leaves the nest. We can either nurture or starve the faith we do have. I would rather choose a God willing to die for my attention, than one who demands attention. Salvation is given more than it is earned. A God who owes us nothing, who has no reason to be humble, showed true example of humility and sacrifice. I want the same humility, for pride makes one fall and the humble will be lifted.

We were placed on this earth not just to live in faith, but to live in action also. Action often proves faith. We have to partially let go and just believe, yet, in the same breath, make a decision to believe ourselves and take action. It is what we choose to do with the little we know, and the amount of faith we have now. Sometimes, we need to look at the signs.Sometimes we can have control and influence, and sometimes things are out of our control and influence. It is a draw near to the Creator and the Creator will draw near to you kind of thing. The more we get closer, the more we will realise just how unmeasurable the 'supernatural' is, but we will at least get more of a grasp of the scale of things. Our worth and potential is multiplied when we do not try and do everything ourselves.

Most of this sounds ok.
How do you make it happen?
It looks to me it isnt. Why not?

[mxmx]

Originally Posted by chrischris

Most of this sounds ok.
How do you make it happen?
It looks to me it isnt. Why not?

Ask, and it will be given. We receive not, for we ask not. People want the wrong things. Most people get consumed by things they want carnally (wealth, selfish ambition, status etc.) and not by the things that really matter. (Relationships, love, time etc.)

God made it simple: love Him > love others as we love ourselves. Loving Him, will help us to truly love others. If we know how to love ourselves (identity, and not in a self worship kind of way), we can also know how to love others. - I struggle with this myself. Instead, society has become "self focused" (guilty myself). If God is love, we will only know love, if we know the author of love. In this world we will have many troubles, but He has overcome the world, and with Him in us, we can do the same. The natural progression of things, is to die - everyone will die...everyone will have trouble. No one is exempt. But with God, there is hope - and the pain is shared and the pain will have purpose - for this we need trust. Only when the supernatural comes in our lives, can we live eternally through the supernatural.

Why is it not happening? Its happening more than we may have expected (China, South Korea). There are more believers now on earth, than ever before (population the result) Will it ever be enough? No...I think most of us will regret the lost - even one lost, can be seen as "many lost". People drowning, cannot be forced to climb into the boat when they are swimming away - and their choice is their freedom to choose. But does everyone know the truth? I think we should rather ask the question of what do those that DO know, do with it? God will deal with those who don't.

[chrischris]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/busine...857_story.html

its getting hotter twice as fast as the worst predictions had expected..

time to cut carbon emissions , or kiss a healthy future bye-bye.

[mxmx]

Originally Posted by chrischris

http://www.washingtonpost.com/busine...857_story.html

its getting hotter twice as fast as the worst predictions had expected..

time to cut carbon emissions , or kiss a healthy future bye-bye.

On this earth, we are supposed to be responsible. The article just shows how little we are. I think civilization can basically be compared to a credit card. We buy now, and pay later....not realizing the consequences in time. As individuals, we can actually make a difference. Switching off a light globe not in use, may not sound as much if one person do it...but if millions do it, it makes a difference. The problem is that we are blunt and do not care enough. We selfishly "buy now" and will probably "pay later"
Will the world perish? Probably...no matter what we do to try and prevent it...(we should do what we can though) - and maybe focus more on things that really matter....extreme poverty vs. extreme wealth, is problematic for me...it is making us more and more selfish, and less and less concerned of those who do struggle.
So many of us, are hectically wealthy, yet we want more and more...strangling earth and people around us for our own selfish wants. If we can learn to be content with the wealth we do actually have, we will take less and give more.


“Do what is right, though the world may perish”. Immanuel Kant

"Heaven and earth shall pass, but my words shall not pass"

[chrischris]

Originally Posted by mxmx

On this earth, we are supposed to be responsible. The article just shows how little we are. I think civilization can basically be compared to a credit card. We buy now, and pay later....not realizing the consequences in time. As individuals, we can actually make a difference. Switching off a light globe not in use, may not sound as much if one person do it...but if millions do it, it makes a difference. The problem is that we are blunt and do not care enough. We selfishly "buy now" and will probably "pay later"
Will the world perish? Probably...no matter what we do to try and prevent it...(we should do what we can though) - and maybe focus more on things that really matter....extreme poverty vs. extreme wealth, is problematic for me...it is making us more and more selfish, and less and less concerned of those who do struggle.
So many of us, are hectically wealthy, yet we want more and more...strangling earth and people around us for our own selfish wants. If we can learn to be content with the wealth we do actually have, we will take less .

“Do what is right, though the world may perish”. Immanuel Kant

"Heaven and earth shall pass, but my words shall not pass"

Ok, but we are NOT born blunt and selfish.
We are born to be fair and democratic.

[mxmx]

Originally Posted by chrischris

Ok, but we are NOT born blunt and selfish.
We are born to be fair and democratic.

We are born with natural elements good or bad. From thereon, we are "trained" to do certain things...and also, "decide" certain things for ourselves.

Some choose to be republican heheh

[chrischris]

Originally Posted by mxmx

We are born with natural elements good or bad. From thereon, we are "trained" to do certain things...and also, "decide" certain things for ourselves.

Some choose to be republican heheh

We are born to cooperate. Thats the reason we can survive and sit here today.
There are other things we do but the evidence and fact is we are born to cooperate and as a result of that we are born to make decisions that are democratic.

[mxmx]

Originally Posted by chrischris

We are born to cooperate. Thats the reason we can survive and sit here today.
There are other things we do but the evidence and fact is we are born to cooperate and as a result of that we are born to make decisions that are democratic.

I agree....we are not meant to be doing everything ourselves.

"it is not good for man to be alone"

[chrischris]

Originally Posted by mxmx

I agree....we are not meant to be doing everything ourselves.

"it is not good for man to be alone"

What proof do you have to show this?

[chrischris]

To the topic of the OP. No need for Sci-fi phony scenarios from unrealistic nut cases.
Reality is bad enough , for example:
http://climatecrocks.com/2011/03/05/...imate-skeptic/

[mxmx]

Originally Posted by chrischris

What proof do you have to show this?

When you get ill, it would be wise not to deal with it yourself. A second person such as a doctor may be required. An individual, simply cannot have all the skills to cope with life as a whole. Somewhere along the line, being alone can only deal with so much.

[chrischris]

Originally Posted by mxmx

When you get ill, it would be wise not to deal with it yourself. A second person such as a doctor may be required. An individual, simply cannot have all the skills to cope with life as a whole. Somewhere along the line, being alone can only deal with so much.

OK, i agree in part.
The doctor is not a good example imo. They get paid for doing it.
A better example is dads and mums and new borns.

[kalyan4fedever]

4,32000-3800 years still left no ?

[sureshs]

How does one "love God?" The concept is just totally out of my grasp.