Wilson will shut down Vortex

[Readers]

Originally Posted by BreakPoint

Why are there essentially no restrictions to tennis racquets and strings?

There are, STFU.

Also, by your dumbass logic, they need to ban carbon fiber, aluminum, and titanium bicycles frame too.

Maybe steel is unfair too? So why is no one riding a wood one now? LOL

[Readers]

You are really so stupid, why don't you learn the difference between power of a tennis frame and externally powered gear before wasting more of other people's time?

[BreakPoint]

Originally Posted by Readers

No, you are stupid, everyone is using the racquet that let them play the best, so the better player still wins.

If some pro is just stupid as you are and refuse to use the racquet that let them play the best tennis, they are just bad players, as intelligence is part of tennis skill set

You just said that Federer would play "better" with a bigger racquet so that he's not using the racquet that lets him play his best. Are you saying Federer is a "bad player" and is not "intelligent"?

Would Nadal play as well with Federer's racquet as with his APD? No? Then Nadal is not the better player himself, is he? It's his racquet that makes him the better player, not himself.

[Readers]

Originally Posted by BreakPoint

You just said that Federer would play "better" with a bigger racquet so that he's not using the racquet that lets him play his best. Are you saying Federer is a "bad player" and is not "intelligent"?

Would Nadal play as well with Federer's racquet as with his APD? No? Then Nadal is not the better player himself, is he? It's his racquet that makes him the better player, not himself.

You are not just stupid, but also a deceptive *** trying to put word in other people's mouth.

Federer plays better with a 90 than 85, that's why he switched to a bigger frame to go on and win 17 slams, that's why he is smart, not ******** like you.

Federer plays better with a 90 and Nadal with a 100, got a probelm you brainless ape?

[Hi I'm Ray]

Lol. Gotta love BP for the hilarious stuff. What if BP doesn't even use woodies or a PS 85 and he just trolls ppl here for kicks because its so easy to

[BreakPoint]

Originally Posted by Readers

You are really so stupid, why don't you learn the difference between power of a tennis frame and externally powered gear before wasting more of other people's time?

Today's Pure Drive is a bazooka compared to a Maxply Fort wood racquet. It is essentially the difference between a revolver and an AK-47 automatic machine gun. Would they allow an AK-47 in a duel?

[Readers]

Originally Posted by Hi I'm Ray

Lol. Gotta love BP for the hilarious stuff. What if BP doesn't even use woodies or a PS 85 and he just trolls ppl here for kicks because its so easy to

Given this guy's behavior and time on forum, he probably doesn't have anyone want to hang out with him IRL, so this is all he left to do, kind of pathetic.

The key is not to take him serious, toy with him when you got the time, and ignore him when you get bored or have better things to do.

[BreakPoint]

Originally Posted by Hi I'm Ray

Lol. Gotta love BP for the hilarious stuff. What if BP doesn't even use woodies or a PS 85 and he just trolls ppl here for kicks because its so easy to

Readers just keeps digging a bigger hole for himself. All the name calling in every post will just get him banned quicker, yet he keeps doing it. And he's the one calling others "stupid". LOL

[Chotobaka]

Originally Posted by Readers

Given this guy's behavior and time on forum, he probably doesn't have anyone want to hang out with him IRL, so this is all he left to do, kind of pathetic.

The key is not to take him serious, toy with him when you got the time, and ignore him when you get bored or have better things to do.

Insightful.

[The Dark Knight]

Originally Posted by dmcb101

http://www.tennis.com/gear/2012/09/g.../#.UHejkcXR5qU

http://www.tennis.com/gear/2012/09/g.../#.UHejtcXR5qU

http://www.tennis.com/gear/2012/09/g.../#.UHejysXR5qU

http://www.tennis.com/gear/2012/09/g.../#.UHej2MXR5qU

Thanks for that!

I took out the most interesting parts.....this racquet sounds revolutionary for recreational players:

And what happens with the 16x15 pattern is that, compared to a 16x18, not only do the strings move a lot further, but they also snap back really violently. It makes sense. With less friction, the strings deflect further, and because they move further out of place, they snap back past their original position. Which increases the amount of rotation that the strings are able to impart on the ball.

Putting fewer and fewer cross strings does increase the amount that the mains are moving. But the big jump is between a regular pattern and just one less cross string, the 16/15. And as you go more and more open on the pattern, according to playtesters, it gets harder and harder to control the ball. So we think 16 by 15 is the right combination, even if you do get a little more string movement with even fewer crosses. With the 16/15, we think you benefit with the increase in spin without the negative of decreased control.

 We’ve found that a 16x15 string pattern has a more dramatic effect on players of average ability, actually. There’s still an effect for better players, but our research shows that it’s not quite as pronounced for them, as they’re already swinging so fast and causing the strings to snap back.

The snap-back effect, yes, it’s definitely maximized by a monofilament, a Luxilon-type string. You don’t see the effect with nylon or gut strings. They just move…but don’t snap back. That’s why players who play nylon or gut, they’re always straightening their strings between points. Which is why we’re hypothesizing that it’s the snap-back—the recoil of the string at a faster speed—that has more to do with the additional spin than how far the string moves out of place. At this point, however, we can’t say for sure.

Further to the point, people typically use examples of airplanes or cars when thinking about aerodynamics. But the problem is, airplanes and cars move in one direction; on the other hand, tennis racquets are moving in all different directions during the swing. Sometimes a racquet is moving vertically, sometimes horizontally. It’s just not moving in one direction. From our perspective, we haven’t found much evidence suggesting that a racquet’s aerodynamics can significantly influence players’ swing and spin production.

[themitchmann]

Originally Posted by BreakPoint

Today's Pure Drive is a bazooka compared to a Maxply Fort wood racquet. It is essentially the difference between a revolver and an AK-47 automatic machine gun. Would they allow an AK-47 in a duel?

Not a god comparison. Duels are won with 1 quick shot. The AK would be too slow, and automatic fire wouldn't make a difference.

[themitchmann]

Originally Posted by BreakPoint

How many time does the word "power" appear in advertising for today's modern racquets?

And there are restrictions to the weight and size of bicycles and the type of tires that can be used in competition. Why are there essentially no restrictions to tennis racquets and strings? If there were, there wouldn't be so many different racquets of all shapes, sizes, and weights on the market and hundreds of different strings on the market, all of which can be legally used in tennis.

There regulations on the dimensions of a legal racquet and string patterns. Almost everything on the market abides by these rules.

[sureshs]

Originally Posted by Readers

You are not just stupid, but also a deceptive *** trying to put word in other people's mouth.

You will get banned if you continue to post such insults

[The Dark Knight]

Originally Posted by BreakPoint

You just said that Federer would play "better" with a bigger racquet so that he's not using the racquet that lets him play his best. Are you saying Federer is a "bad player" and is not "intelligent"?

Would Nadal play as well with Federer's racquet as with his APD? No? Then Nadal is not the better player himself, is he? It's his racquet that makes him the better player, not himself.

I think Nadal would be able to play with Feds racquet.

It's the strings that really make the difference.

Everyone pays so much attention to the racquets but strings are so much more important .

The strings are the soul of a racquet.

As with the new steam .....it's not the racquet but the strings that make all the difference .

[sureshs]

Originally Posted by The Dark Knight

I think Nadal would be able to play with Feds racquet.

It's the strings that really make the difference.

Everyone pays so much attention to the racquets but strings are so much more important .

The strings are the soul of a racquet.

As with the new steam .....it's not the racquet but the strings that make all the difference .

It is not the same issue. Here the role of strings is different from comparing different strings on the same racket. Here the role is tied to the drilling pattern and the benefits (if true) should accrue to all strings.

[The Dark Knight]

Originally Posted by sureshs

It is not the same issue. Here the role of strings is different from comparing different strings on the same racket. Here the role is tied to the drilling pattern and the benefits (if true) should accrue to all strings.

I'm not sure I understand what your saying? I think I understand though?

when I say " strings" im also referring to the pattern of the strings.

Racquet to me means weight , balance , size, materials.....the actual racquet itself.

For example spaghetti strings was a pattern as well.

There's soooooo much more to strings than the graphite.

You can make Feds racquet play similar to a babolat of you wanted to.

It's all depends on the strings.....tension , pattern , thickness, materials , hybrid etc etc etc.

There's only so much you can do with a piece of graphite.

Take a look at Borg and Mcenroe. They played with the same racquet virtually.....both wood , both the same size and pattern......

Except that Mcenroe played with extremely loose strings while Borg played with extremely tight strings. Their styles am the way they hot the ball were completely different . The racquets were almost identical but the sticks played completely differently becaise of the strings.

The same principles apply today.

[sureshs]

OK you are including string pattern also.

[The Dark Knight]

Originally Posted by sureshs

OK you are including string pattern also.

Yes .

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[The Dark Knight]

I think the steam is going to make tennis easier to play for the average player but it won't make it on the pro tour.

This "sling shot" effect I think will work on topspin very well.

As you slice the ball it will sort of "shoot" the ball out.

Basically you won't have to swing all that hard for any stroke and just let the strings do the work for you.

It's not a serious players stick. In the right hands however like a santoro it could be deadly.

[The Dark Knight]

I just saw some new specs on the Wilson.....it's going to be 11.3 ounces strung which is just what I like.

I had written the stick off because it was weighted at 10.2.....I've never been so excited about the release of any stick.

I really think this is going to be revolutionary and all sticks will carry similar patterns in the future.

I've know this for a while playing with the Vortex.....the open string pattern is really just a better set up.