WB Comments on Ltr to US Tennis Industry-PART I - Page 6

BSPE84 · 10-12-2012, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by TCF

The problem on this forum is there are many sacred cows. Most posters need the safety of conventional thinking.

It is what it is.....say anything against the sacred cows of junior tennis world safe thinking and you will get slammed.

Wow TCF! I always respected your opinion, but if you really think that then you should get on your knees and apologize to the massage therapist and maybe also that kid Jan Silva's dad. Otherwise, I find this to be sheer hypocrisy on your part.

Tennishacker · 10-12-2012, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by coaching32yrs

When you have played thousands of matches under pressure you reach a certain level of understanding about the game. You can tell who has walked the walk. When you talk to a college coach or teaching pro they can tell you are one of them. You are an "insider" and get treated and talked to as such.
I am sorry if you find this condescending. But it is true in tennis as it is in any industry. Many on this thread are not insiders. They try, but they can't fake it. They have never played the game at a high level. TCF is an insider, as is that crazy guy who is a medical student. You can tell. TCF drank the kool aid about his daughter. That's OK. We all did that. That's why we are on here.

As an "insider", why can't you and the other "insiders" fix the state of American tennis?
Please don't give us the excuse of "we have no super athletic kids in tennis".

Do you consider Michael Chang a "freak athlete"?, I don't think so.

kme5150 · 10-12-2012, 08:46 AM

Job Posting
October 12, 2012

USTA Player Development - Lead Coach, Junior Development
http://www.itatennis.com/Coaches/classifieds.htm

"To implement USTAPD philosophy at the NTC"

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Albert Einstein

It is just a mess from the top all the way down. Too bad the USTA talked the ITF into eliminating all the summer ITF tournaments or we could have a real system in place at least for the summer.

ga tennis · 10-12-2012, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by kme5150

Job Posting
October 12, 2012

USTA Player Development - Lead Coach, Junior Development
http://www.itatennis.com/Coaches/classifieds.htm

"To implement USTAPD philosophy at the NTC"

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Albert Einstein

It is just a mess from the top all the way down. Too bad the USTA talked the ITF into eliminating all the summer ITF tournaments or we could have a real system in place at least for the summer.

At least they are posting this job and not appointing someone to the position who has never developed a kid from the ground up. I hope they find the right person and many people get to decide on who gets the job.

TCF · 10-12-2012, 09:42 AM

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Number1Coach · 10-12-2012, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by TCF

Huge difference.....Brad says he knows how to raise a champion and predicted his kid would be the next Nadal.

I have said all along I doubt my kid will be a pro tennis player.

I fail to see the big deal here.....all I said is at this moment in time my kid, who developed physically way before other kids her age and grew up surrounded by high level tennis, has had tons of advantages in regards to tennis....could beat an 11 year old in tennis.

What on earth is the big dang deal about that? Who even cares?

Did you ever think by the time Brads kid was 16 he would be on the list of every top college and they would be sending him emails and letters every few days also they are showing great interest ? BTW these are not d2 schools.

Number1Coach · 10-12-2012, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by TCF

What? Those guys are poster children for sacred cows and safe thinking. Jan Silva's dad went the route that if someone can hit a ball at 5 they will be great. That tennis prodigy garbage thing has been done over and over again for years. Move to FL, or move to France, who cares, same thing that many have done when conned by tennis conmen.. Most on this board lapped it up. Makes them feel safe that if a kid is good at 5 then the tennis improvement will be nice and linear. Some of us slapped reality at them and we were crushed for it.

Same with BB....total game playing, using early results as a big deal when the kid is a foot taller in the 10s-14s, then start playing the picking tournament thing and ducking the top in the age group. Same dodging nonsense that has been done for decades. God forbid he get beaten by the top 16s. Again....most here lap it up, 'yeah, if he was this ranking at age 16 he must be going to do that as an adult.'

You miss the point. The group wants to believe if Jr. has this ability at that age then all will be nice and safe and smooth and predictable.

I dont know how he would lose to a top 16 year he is to busy playing event where they play him against top D1 players ,, thats not ducking thats going after bigger game to challenge yourself.

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coaching32yrs · 10-12-2012, 09:53 AM

In my view, and I am repeating myself, tennis is not getting the elite athletes. I attended 16 yr old zonals in St Louie a few years back. The starting 5 on my high school basketball team in the 60's had more athleticism that the top 5 players at zonals. That is what I see. I go to HS football games. The hs won or finished runner up is states in tennis 3 of the last 5 years. None of the kids had anywhere near the athletic talent of the skill players on the football team, which is not a very good team. I'm including my own kids, not eilte athletes- top 5 in section in tennis. If the top athletes in the school played tennis they wouldn't have been able to make the hs team.

Number1Coach · 10-12-2012, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by BSPE84

Wow TCF! I always respected your opinion, but if you really think that then you should get on your knees and apologize to the massage therapist and maybe also that kid Jan Silva's dad. Otherwise, I find this to be sheer hypocrisy on your part.

BSPE84 you have known DB a long time , you have seen him in person many times , you understand our goals ,would you play him in the 16's at this time.

Maybe you could shed some light on the subject for TCF since you have seen and know DB in person.

TCF · 10-12-2012, 09:58 AM

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Number1Coach · 10-12-2012, 09:58 AM

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Yawn, been through this a million times. You are doing what many, many have done before. Hide under the challenge thing when the truth is different.

But if he went to the OB 16s and lost in the 3rd round, that would be crushing. Simple as that.

YOU PROVE TO MYSELF AND THE BOARD VERY QUICKLEY YOU HAVE NOT A REAL CLUE ON DEVELOPMENT PLAIN AND SIMPLE AND OVER ALL THATS TO BAD FOR YOUR DAUGHTER .

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ga tennis · 10-12-2012, 10:15 AM

Brad you are in a tough situation here. If Deit wins the Orange bowl people will say it means nothing he played juniors. T.C.F is right if the goal is playing pro start now. Go play the futures and challengers now.Why even waste any more time in the juniors.If college is out of the picture he needs to go after it now. Why waste time now debating which junior tournament.Go ahead and do it every day hes not out there grinding with the big boys is another day hes getting behind if pro tennis is 100% the only option.

TCF · 10-12-2012, 10:41 AM

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Soianka · 10-12-2012, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by ga tennis

Brad you are in a tough situation here. If Deit wins the Orange bowl people will say it means nothing he played juniors. T.C.F is right if the goal is playing pro start now. Go play the futures and challengers now.Why even waste any more time in the juniors.If college is out of the picture he needs to go after it now. Why waste time now debating which junior tournament.Go ahead and do it every day hes not out there grinding with the big boys is another day hes getting behind if pro tennis is 100% the only option.

Not sure that is solid advice.

Many say Donald Young started playing pro level too soon and got used to losing.

It took him many years to recover from his initial failed pro endeavors.

If Deiton has more physical development to do, why should he rush to play pro events as a 16 year old?

ga tennis · 10-12-2012, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Soianka

Not sure that is solid advice.

Many say Donald Young started playing pro level too soon and got used to losing.

It took him many years to recover from his initial failed pro endeavors.

If Deiton has more physical development to do, why should he rush to play pro events as a 16 year old?

Why wait???? Deit and Donald are two totally different animals .Size isnt the issue with Deit.Why not continue to develop out in the trenches. Deit needs to go for it!!! If Deit was my son we would play the satellites and challengers and keep his amatuer status so he will always have the option of going to college. I honestly think college would be great for Deits development.

Number1Coach · 10-12-2012, 11:06 AM

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I totally agree. There is no way to prepare for the lifestyle of futures and challengers besides doing it. Taking some lumps now makes more sense than bothering with college players or 18s.

Also no need to develop a game that beats D-1 and 18s if the goal is money making pro. They are 2 different games.

Once again you show u understand nothing about development , you say in one breathe you need to be top ITF , win Jr slams , now its go for it , choose your position and I tell u that for your kids sake , we play where we want to and are asked to .

Once again when you have a player who is far from done growing you have to show lots of patients at the same time you keep him challenged lest you start stacking injurys "this I have said over and over " so did the soccer article "protect the investment" .

Your lashing out now because DB showed you were a fool when it came to predicting his future D2 and now he has what you only can dream for your daughter, lots of top colleges D1 wanting him at 16 .

We know our goals we have our milestone and one thing we do is problem solve not just spit out information,,

My challenge to you is put up a video of this athletic freak something tells me won't look nothing like DB's sister when she was 7yr old.

Post a video prove your legit !

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