Who is more talented?

[dangalak]

I always wondered.

[NadalAgassi]

Per gender Serena. If she were as commited to tennis as Federer she would have 30 slams or more now and been the slam dunk GOAT to a far greater extent than Federer or anyone in any sport outside Michael Phelps in swimming perhaps. At her best she is unbeatable, except maybe by a GOAT clay courter on clay. Federer even at his best can occasionaly lose, and will always lose to Nadal on clay. Meanwhile if Federer tanked about 5 years of his career like Serena did he would probably have only about 3 slams today. Serena might well end up with more slams than Federer and many are now calling her the female GOAT just as many call Federer the male GOAT, despite that she half assed her way though much of her career.

[SoBad]

Serena, if we are breaking it down by gender. She had to endure tough personal losses while Federer was getting funds from an illegal pharmaceutical operation.

[NadalAgassi]

Serena at her best probably has the strongest serve, return, forehand, backhand, movement, everything except volleys in the womens game today. Federer at his best has the strongest forehand in the mens game on grass and hard courts (obviously Nadal by a landslide has the best forehand on clay), and nothing else the best, although in his prime the best overall game but not the best in nearly every specific category like Serena at hers.

[dangalak]

Originally Posted by NadalAgassi

Per gender Serena. If she were as commited to tennis as Federer she would have 30 slams or more now and been the slam dunk GOAT to a far greater extent than Federer or anyone in any sport outside Michael Phelps in swimming perhaps. At her best she is unbeatable, except maybe by a GOAT clay courter on clay. Federer even at his best can occasionaly lose, and will always lose to Nadal on clay. Meanwhile if Federer tanked about 5 years of his career like Serena did he would probably have only about 3 slams today. Serena might well end up with more slams than Federer and many are now calling her the female GOAT just as many call Federer the male GOAT, despite that she half assed her way though much of her career.

maybe it's because of lack of talent overall in women's tennis?

I mean you also need to keep in mind that Serena is phycially superior to 91% of women's tennis. Federer isn't that physically gifted but he still makes his opponents look terrible.

I disagree that Federer at his best can lose. Most of his losses at the big stage had some inconsistencies I think.

[dangalak]

Originally Posted by NadalAgassi

Serena at her best probably has the strongest serve, return, forehand, backhand, movement, everything except volleys in the womens game today. Federer at his best has the strongest forehand in the mens game on grass and hard courts (obviously Nadal by a landslide has the best forehand on clay), and nothing else the best, although in his prime the best overall game but not the best in nearly every specific category like Serena at hers.

I only agree with serve. Seles and Davy have equal returns. Graf has a better FH. Venus, Seles etc have better BHs. Movement I feel you are really overrating her. Her speed is GOAT worthy, but movement I think Graf, Henin, Venus move better while Clijsters is equal. Federer might be GOAT in movement. BH slice might be only second to Rosewall.

[fed_rulz]

Originally Posted by NadalAgassi

Per gender Serena. If she were as commited to tennis as Federer she would have 30 slams or more now and been the slam dunk GOAT to a far greater extent than Federer or anyone in any sport outside Michael Phelps in swimming perhaps. At her best she is unbeatable, except maybe by a GOAT clay courter on clay. Federer even at his best can occasionaly lose, and will always lose to Nadal on clay. Meanwhile if Federer tanked about 5 years of his career like Serena did he would probably have only about 3 slams today. Serena might well end up with more slams than Federer and many are now calling her the female GOAT just as many call Federer the male GOAT, despite that she half assed her way though much of her career.

lol, what BS. as djoker would say, if my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle.

if she were committed to tennis, then it's quite likely that she gets burned out before the end of the year or loses motivation or picks up an injury, with less chances to show her "talent".

And no, it's no contest. Federer by a country mile. Serena's domination is not even top 10 in the women's game. Federer's is unprecedented. Federer beats her in peak level, consistency, domination, longevity, results.. you name it.

the only area where serena beats Federer is in bad hair-styles.

[OHBH]

Roger for sure.

Serena can take advantage of the fact that half the WTA is out of shape and/or mentally weak. She only really needs to show up and use her skills once or twice in a tournament MAYBE three good matches in a slam. Roger has risen head and shoulders above a much more consistently strong field of players.

[90's Clay]

Serena at her best was pretty dang tough to beat. (I'm not sure there are too many in WTA history that could beat Serena peak for peak).

You can't say the same for Federer. Nadal as a young buck (not even in his prime) was beating a peak Federer. Sampras could take Fed peak for peak on fast surfaces. I think Andre could take Fed out peak for peak (since he was taking close to peak Fed to 4 and 5 sets at an OLD age).

[dangalak]

Originally Posted by 90's Clay

Serena at her best was pretty dang tough to beat. (I'm not sure there are two many that could beat Serena peak for peak).

You can't say the same for Federer.

Yes you can bro.

Nadal could beat him on clay even at his peak (Rome 2006) but Henin could beat Serena on her peak as well.

[paulorenzo]

serena is pretty talented to at times play incredibly well even when she's out of shape and lacks match practice.

if federer showed that much lack of drive and disinterest in the game, he would have been done a long time ago.

[dangalak]

Originally Posted by paulorenzo

serena is pretty talented to at times play incredibly well even when she's out of shape and lacks match practice.

if federer showed that much lack of drive and disinterest in the game, he would have been done a long time ago.

I think people give too much attention to the final of 07 AO. Yeah she crushed Sharpie but she is her b*tch anyway. On the way to the final, she struggled hard.

I don't know if this logic counts, but I think that women's tennis is less tough than mens tennis. A guy like Nadal was embarrassed in the WTF just because he missed a couple of months. I can't imagine the same in the women's tour.

[NadalAgassi]

Originally Posted by dangalak

Yes you can bro.

Nadal could beat him on clay even at his peak (Rome 2006) but Henin could beat Serena on her peak as well.

Nadal beat Federer at his peak on hard courts too. Won 2 of their first 3 matches aged 17-19, and choked a huge lead which would have been a 3 straight sets win otherwise. Henin was only a threat to peak Serena on clay.

[The Bawss]

Originally Posted by dangalak

I think people give too much attention to the final of 07 AO. Yeah she crushed Sharpie but she is her b*tch anyway. On the way to the final, she struggled hard.

I don't know if this logic counts, but I think that women's tennis is less tough than mens tennis. A guy like Nadal was embarrassed in the WTF just because he missed a couple of months. I can't imagine the same in the women's tour.

This. The WTA is a joke, fact. I can't believe this is even a question. Serena plays a talentless power game that she happens to excel at because she is huge compared to all other girls in the talentless field of fatties (too many to list).

Fed by a zillion miles. Fed can't even see Serena from the talent level he is on.

[paulorenzo]

Originally Posted by dangalak

I think people give too much attention to the final of 07 AO. Yeah she crushed Sharpie but she is her b*tch anyway. On the way to the final, she struggled hard.

I don't know if this logic counts, but I think that women's tennis is less tough than mens tennis. A guy like Nadal was embarrassed in the WTF just because he missed a couple of months. I can't imagine the same in the women's tour.

you have a point. physicality and conditioning is a bigger part of the men's tour than the women's.

[dangalak]

Originally Posted by NadalAgassi

Nadal beat Federer at his peak on hard courts too. Won 2 of their first 3 matches aged 17-19, and choked a huge lead which would have been a 3 straight sets win otherwise. Henin was only a threat to peak Serena on clay.

Federer would've never lost to Nadal on HC in slams. Who cares about a loss in Miami, where Federer was never that good in the first place and where he was sick.

Dubai, I'll give you, but that was almost a choke of Miami F 2005 proportions. Federer was controlling everyting, just like Nadal was controlling everything in Miami.

[President]

Originally Posted by 90's Clay

Serena at her best was pretty dang tough to beat. (I'm not sure there are too many in WTA history that could beat Serena peak for peak).

You can't say the same for Federer. Nadal as a young buck (not even in his prime) was beating a peak Federer. Sampras could take Fed peak for peak on fast surfaces. I think Andre could take Fed out peak for peak (since he was taking close to peak Fed to 4 and 5 sets at an OLD age).

LOL at the bolded

Pathetic post. Just man up and realize that your idol Petros will never be in the running for GOAT again now that Federer has surpassed all of his achievements.

[BauerAlmeida]

Originally Posted by dangalak

maybe it's because of lack of talent overall in women's tennis?

I mean you also need to keep in mind that Serena is phycially superior to 91% of women's tennis. Federer isn't that physically gifted but he still makes his opponents look terrible.

I disagree that Federer at his best can lose. Most of his losses at the big stage had some inconsistencies I think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldxmlg5XKUg

[NadalAgassi]

Originally Posted by dangalak

I disagree that Federer at his best can lose. Most of his losses at the big stage had some inconsistencies I think.

Federer did play his best at the 2005 Australian Open and still lost to Safin. Federer could have played the clay court match of his life vs Nadal at the 2008 French and he still would have gotten 10 games at absolute most. Federer at his best can definitely lose.

Serena at his best probably could not lose. Even to Henin on clay she would for sure win if she were playing her very best, although only rarely could she produce that.

[90's Clay]

Originally Posted by NadalAgassi

Federer did play his best at the 2005 Australian Open and still lost to Safin. Federer could have played the clay court match of his life vs Nadal at the 2008 French and he still would have gotten 10 games at absolute most. Federer at his best can definitely lose.

Serena at his best probably could not lose. Even to Henin on clay she would for sure win if she were playing her very best, although only rarely could she produce that.

Good points.. Fed fans looking back with those rosey tinted "RF shades" on again. Fed at his best DID lose on the big stage on a few different surfaces and also lost quite a bit to Nadal in general when he playing near his peak level. So I don't know what the issue is here