How would you rate your personal health & fitness level?

[ark_28]

I can definitely improve but with me it's all about motivation! This summer I trained very hard and managed to play a 12 hours singles match but it's almost like I've now reached the top of the mountain I want to get back to those levels of fitness!

[floridatennisdude]

Originally Posted by LeeD

Bad analogy there, my friend.
BTW, DeanKarnazes is one of my friends from windsurf racing. Just 10 years ago, he was number one in those century runs thru the deserts.
We cannot physically run 100 miles. I can't run 6 miles in a whole day.
But standing on the court, I can easily play 10 doubles sets, albeit at 2/3 of my speed ().
Couple years ago, I'd play maybe 7 doubles sets, 4.0 level, then drive down to the beach and windsurf for 2 hours, a full session for even the established pro level windsurfers. Figure I can skip the windsurfing, and play 4 more sets anyday.
Have you ever tried windsurfing? It's not standing around taking one step back and forth.

100 miles isn't impossible. I might be near death trying to do something so extreme, but it can be done. Even if I paced 12 minute miles for 24 hours with a break every couple, I'd make it. There are world record holders in 24 hour and 48 hour runs that easily exceed 100 miles. Google: Edit Bérces. She went 369km in 48 hours.

No, I've never done windsurfing. Not much of a sea person. If I'm at the beach, there's a fruity beverage in my hand and a book in the other. Frankly, 7 sets alone sounds like pain...maybe at a low level, but not 4.5. I'd need 3-4 days off after that. Would much rather play 7 sets spread over 3 days (like I just did this week).

[chrischris]

Im very satisfied with my fitness. I can do a 10k in about 41 minutes when i have been running regularly and i can play 2 hours + without feeling sluggish generally.
My gym work outs are becoming more frequent though i dont really like to do indoor gym work that much , i prefer to do stuff outdoors.
I do hills every once in a while and feel that does great in a short time for the explosivitiy and metabolism.
I do downhill skiing in the winter but dont feel it does a whole lot for my tennis.
Want to do some more swimming and or some yoga but GF and kid limit my time .

[LeeD]

Poster 62, look up Dean Karnazes in google.
He was the highest ranking ultra marathon runner in the world for a while, they have training films featuring him, and he's world reknown in ultra marathon, century, and double century racing.

[floridatennisdude]

Originally Posted by LeeD

Poster 62, look up Dean Karnazes in google.
He was the highest ranking ultra marathon runner in the world for a while, they have training films featuring him, and he's world reknown in ultra marathon, century, and double century racing.

He further proves my point. What's yours?

[LeeD]

Some people can run 100 miles in 24 hours. Some run farther, but not us.
Playing 10 sets of tennis in 7 hours is easy. You don't need to run for every ball, do you?

[floridatennisdude]

Originally Posted by LeeD

Some people can run 100 miles in 24 hours. Some run farther, but not us.
Playing 10 sets of tennis in 7 hours is easy. You don't need to run for every ball, do you?

Pretty sure I've been saying I could. I just don't choose to.

I could also drive a car with my feet...doesn't mean it's a good idea.

[LeeD]

You can possibly disagree that playing 12 sets of tennis a day is much easier than running 50 miles, can you? For anyone. We didn't say you had to WIN all the sets, did we?
But running 50 miles, slow or fast, you have to put out the effort.

[LeeD]

it's now time for you to visit ProPlayer's section and answer in who would you want to coach you....

[NTRPolice]

I've played like 6 or 7 sets of doubles in a day, but those are mostly casual games.

On the other hand... there is no way I can even run 5 miles. The last PFT I had I struggled with the 1.5 mile run.

My physical fitness level is very poor for someone with such a high energy game. If I dont put my 100% of my body into every shot my results go dramatically down. I'm at the point where just muscling the ball around the court with bad footwork and prep greatly reduces accuracy.

I need a much higher level of physical fitness. I just dont work for it.

[LeeD]

Is NTRPolice really my son?
I can easily play 12 sets of doubles, or more, any given day. Maybe up to 8 sets of singles. I might lose the majority, I might not run or prepare like normal, but I can stand there all that time.
I cannot stand there and run 5 miles.

[DevilsChildXD]

I'd say Im very unhealthy yet extremely fit. 10 on fitness and 4 on health lol

[LeeD]

I"m more 9 on health and maybe 3 in fitness

[ark_28]

When I played the 12 hour singles match in july I obviously paced myself and selected when to play flat out full intensity but that was 18 sets! I won 14 of them!

As I say since then I have not worked as hard as I would like! I don't think you can just turn up and play 12 hours I worked pretty hard maybe I need to do something like that again to get motivated!

[FastFreddy]

Originally Posted by LeeD

I"m more 9 on health and maybe 3 in fitness

Lee,

How would u compare the air cool bikes from the 70's( suspension and power) to the water cool bikes from the 80's. I love the sound of a 2 stroke cr 500 over any new 4 stroke bikes. Do u like the new 4 strokes sound and have u ridden one? I have not ridden a 4 stroke, if I got a new bike it would be a Service Honda 500 AF which only weighs 213.8 lbs for 12k. They also have a AFX, Bailey and Elsinore models for 15k. I love to take on my buddy who has a KTM 350 SX-F that thing weighs 231 lbs without fuel. Do u think I could take him we are at the same riding level? I could just ride in 3rd gear haha.

[WildVolley]

I'm in the range of more fit than LeeD and less fit than David Ferrer. Unfortunately, on that scale, I'm probably closer to LeeD.

[LeeD]

OK, OK, I get it. I am not fit to say I"m a tennis player.
Fast Freddy. I had the last of the aircoolers and the first of the following year watercoolers. Simple fact, air coolers were lighter by about 10-15 lbs., had the same power at the beginning, lost a bit of power, maybe 15%, after 10 minutes. Most motos barely lasted 15 minutes until you make Expert, then it might last 20 minutes until you enter a pro outdoor, but by then, you're shop or factory sponsored, and everyone is getting tired.
I"m a lightweight, raced 3 Novice 250 AMA races on my brother's 250 Honda 4 stroke kit'ed by Champion, using a Champion frame with Cerianis, and Koni's, way back in '78. Mid pack starts, lots more control, hole shots in muddy conditions, but lack of power compared to two strokes. It only had 8" travel, front and rear, so was giving up some performance in whoops, gaining some in the turns. All 3 races at Dixon's ArgyllPark, few whoops, lots of doubles, sweeping turns and fast straightways. My '77 YZ, bought from an expert, had 12" travel and almost the power, it was a 125.
I like the four strokeYZ's-426 for general goof around riding, but maybe not for racing Open class. I need something with a lower center of gravity, so would pick a torque oriented 2 stroke of around that size motor.
Some riding style work better with powerful 4 strokes, while other's prefer a lighter weight, better turning bike.

[FastFreddy]

Originally Posted by LeeD

OK, OK, I get it. I am not fit to say I"m a tennis player.
Fast Freddy. I had the last of the aircoolers and the first of the following year watercoolers. Simple fact, air coolers were lighter by about 10-15 lbs., had the same power at the beginning, lost a bit of power, maybe 15%, after 10 minutes. Most motos barely lasted 15 minutes until you make Expert, then it might last 20 minutes until you enter a pro outdoor, but by then, you're shop or factory sponsored, and everyone is getting tired.
I"m a lightweight, raced 3 Novice 250 AMA races on my brother's 250 Honda 4 stroke kit'ed by Champion, using a Champion frame with Cerianis, and Koni's, way back in '78. Mid pack starts, lots more control, hole shots in muddy conditions, but lack of power compared to two strokes. It only had 8" travel, front and rear, so was giving up some performance in whoops, gaining some in the turns. All 3 races at Dixon's ArgyllPark, few whoops, lots of doubles, sweeping turns and fast straightways. My '77 YZ, bought from an expert, had 12" travel and almost the power, it was a 125.
I like the four strokeYZ's-426 for general goof around riding, but maybe not for racing Open class. I need something with a lower center of gravity, so would pick a torque oriented 2 stroke of around that size motor.
Some riding style work better with powerful 4 strokes, while other's prefer a lighter weight, better turning bike.

Cool, so if u could buy any new bike today money no object what would u buy? I think the cr500's use to race open or was it master's class? I think that class has been long gone right? I did not know they had 4 stroke dirt bikes in the 70's I thought 4 stroke dirt bikes came out in the 90's. Have u ridden any of the new 4 stroke bikes. When I hear the new 4 strokes they sounded funny compared to a 2 stroke. Just like I love the sound of a chevy bb over a chevy sb.

[LeeD]

Husky had a 4 stroke 450 in 1983.
ATK started 4 stroke 550's then.
KTM was working on one, didn't come out by '83.
There was a fourstroke class Pro race at IndianDunes, but those bikes weren't proven for moto and the bikes cost well over $3,500 a fortune to me, since I was getting Suzuki's and Kawasaki's for about 800 bucks, brand new.
Only real 4 stroke I've ridden is the blue YZF, maybe 426, I don't remember.
I took up windsurfing in late '83, and haven't looked back, except to keep track of my mates from the '80's.

[FastFreddy]

Originally Posted by LeeD

Husky had a 4 stroke 450 in 1983.
ATK started 4 stroke 550's then.
KTM was working on one, didn't come out by '83.
There was a fourstroke class Pro race at IndianDunes, but those bikes weren't proven for moto and the bikes cost well over $3,500 a fortune to me, since I was getting Suzuki's and Kawasaki's for about 800 bucks, brand new.
Only real 4 stroke I've ridden is the blue YZF, maybe 426, I don't remember.
I took up windsurfing in late '83, and haven't looked back, except to keep track of my mates from the '80's.

When I retire I want to buy a Service Honda AF 500 213lbs with 60hp and ride all day long!!



If you’re one of those riders who believes the slogans on motorcycle T-shirts (or, better yet, thinks they are talking about you) or if you find four-strokes boringly civilized, then Service Honda built its CR500AF for you. Many riders in their 20s have never experienced a 500cc two-stroke, and most have never turned a wheel in competition on one. In terms of outright horsepower and torque, a typical 500 isn’t much more muscular than a contemporary four-stroke. But whereas a four-stroke builds power smoothly, the 500cc two-stroke has steps in the powerband in which boost builds explosively. For example, the Honda CR500R engine used by Service Honda is tame compared with one from 1985, but it (and virtually all CR500Rs) still has a spot in the midrange at which the power jumps 18 horsepower in 1500 rpm! That can be a handicap in some situations; but when there are hills, deep sand or loam straights, sweepers or long start areas, a 500 makes you feel as if you’re attached to the end of a giant rubber band, and the giant just let it fly. In other words, this bike is for power fanatics who can’t get enough of the sheer thrill of acceleration. It isn’t completely civilized, but it is a rush.Sort Of A Honda
Honda quit making the CR500R several years ago, but even before it did, there were 500cc addicts who chafed at the fact that their favorite open bike was languishing in a technology dead zone. The 500 remained unchanged through three upgraded models of the CR250R before being dropped from the lineup. Service Honda answered the demand for a modern CR500R in 1997 by squeezing the 500 mill into the then-new CR250R aluminum chassis. As each new generation of the CR250R chassis enters production, Service develops a new bike around it-until now. The problem is the CR250R has been technologically suffering a little, and selling the leftover engines has been slow. These days, the CRF four-strokes have the most-modern version of Honda’s aluminum chassis, so Service decided to create the ’05 500AF using the CRF250R four-stroke chassis, since it is the latest (fourth-generation) design from Honda while the CR250R still has the third-generation rendition.As a result, in terms of handling and ergonomics, the CR500AF is actually as modern as any Honda motocross or off-road bike.What’s It Like?
The feeling is somewhat hard to explain. It is difficult to even imagine the sheer level of excitement and acceleration a CR500R generates. Add in the fact that its CRF250R chassis feels lighter and smaller than the older steel-framed CR500Rs. It also feels as if the ’05 CR500AF has a shorter overall wheelbase. Naturally, the engine is kickstart only (for the moment; Service wants an E-start version to install in CRF250X frames for thrill-seeking off-roaders). Most important, Service claims the CR500AFX will retain its California green-sticker legal status. The CRF250X/CR500R pairing should be a good one, since most of the CR500AF units sold go to off-road fans, though some do live an all-motocross life.Despite the kickstarter, the AF is not a chore to start. It does like a full-travel, energetic kick, but it usually responds with enthusiasm to a decent effort. Vibration is strong compared with modern four-strokes but not bad for a 500cc two-stroke. The engine warms quickly and is ready to ride. We found ourselves modifying our trail rides to include longer straights, more hills and additional sweepers just to have more opportunities to let ‘er rip! The power is addicting, and the bike is happiest with most of the horses out of the barn. The $8999 suggested retail price gives you a bike with a 500cc motor in a stock CRF250R chassis. However, most of the customers looking for something this specialized also want some additional goodies. Our bike came with a billet rear caliper mount, billet engine covers and triple clamps and MX Tech suspension mods.Honestly, if you have a Service Honda in your sights, consider the suspension mods a must, as the additional weight (not too much) and power (roughly double) have a substantial effect. We didn’t ride one with stock suspension and would be surprised if it worked very well with this engine.On one ride, we ran dry with the stock tank 30 percent earlier than with an ’05 CR250R (also with a stock tank), so we installed a Clarke unit. It cleared the coolant fittings and spark plug better; we hardly noticed it while riding; and in the natural color, it is vastly easier to fill without overflowing. We’d consider this tank a must-have-even for moto.Track Time
We spent a fair amount of time on the motocross track with the AF and found it clearly appreciates a fast track with a lot of flow more than a tight and jump-filled one. The power can be a little hard to control on a short-approach jump; but if you are good with throttle control, the bike will feel neutral in the air. It also excelled more in softer dirt than on sticky hardpack. When the Southern California rains came and washed out the tracks, we installed the available quiet spark arrestor and headed for the desert. With room to play, the bike’s fun factor ratcheted up even higher. You have to look for hills it won’t climb; and even with the stock moto gearing, the bike had plenty of ground-eating speed available. Whether you are on the track or off-road, the bike basically handles as if it’s a CRF250R, which means very well. The front end is definitely lighter, but we became used to it. Despite the added velocity, the 250′s brakes do the job in fine fashion.Finally, we took the 500 to Disneyland. Not really, of course; but as Disneyland is the happiest place on Earth for a kid, sand dunes are the happiest places on Earth for a 500 rider. They allow you to use all of the available power at will. Let the ponies out and watch the sand spray. And for the photos, we didn’t run a paddle tire or even a sand tire! We did have massive grins mounted up, though.Obviously, 60-horsepower 500cc two-strokes aren’t for everyone. If they had ever sold in great numbers, the OEMs wouldn’t have abandoned them. But Service isn’t looking to sell an enormous number. The company knows there are a few well-heeled riders in dirt bike land who think too much power is just enough for them. Most of them also appreciate the easy maintenance of a non-power valve two-stroke engine. It doesn’t get much more basic. The desire to own a dirt rocket such as this is primary, too. After man made the motorcycle, the next man wanted a faster one. The essence of American hot-rodding is shoving bigger, more-powerful engines into smaller and lighter vehicles. You just need to know if you are the hot-rod type. Similar to a hot-rod roadster, the Service Honda bike is distilled performance maximized and comfort and civility minimized.Contact
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I used to love 500s for moto and off-road, and I have to admit this Service Honda is nonstop sensory overload. It is capable of docility, but why waste it? Sometimes you want the right tool for the job; other times you look for the right job for the tool. I spent my seat time looking for the best job for 60 ponies! As thrilling as the 500 is, I’m not ready to trade in my E-start four-stroke.Karel Kramer
6’1″/205 lb/B rider
I’ve ridden some of the biggest, baddest horsepower-spewing dirt bikes ever built. They were either extremely heavy twin-cylinder bikes or very short life-span, full-race motors. All were outrageously expensive. Not this CR500: It is just like the 2005 CR500R Honda would have built for all intents and purposes. It’s light, puts out big power-right now-and will last a long time. For the right guy, and you know who you are, this is a great bike. I rode it in the sand dunes for photos, and that was a match made in heaven. It is a little on the gnarly side for trail riding and even for moto; yet the one thing this Service Honda really proves is how truly good modern four-strokes have become. But there is nothing like the smell of premix in the morning.Jimmy Lewis
5’10″/180 lb/Vet Pro