Did Federer Lose the Battle to #1 or Did Novak Win It

[veroniquem]

Originally Posted by Smasher08

Hmmmm biased much?

I like how Fed hands Djoker a bagel in Cincy and you describe the latter as "outperforming" the former.

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Excuse me??!! Summer hard court consists of 3 (main) events: 2 masters and a slam. Fed's results in all 3 events: Canada: skips, Cincy: wins, USO: loses in quarter. Djoko's results in the 3 events: Canada: wins, Cincy: final, USO: final. In the summer hard court swing, Djoko outperformed Fed BY A LANDSLIDE. And you're the one who's crazily biased if you decide to eliminate USO (you know: THE SLAM) and Canada's results just because Cincy is the event Fed happens to have won. Seriously. There are some wacko people on this board.

[Sabratha]

Originally Posted by 15_ounce

Did Federer what? He hasn't lost his number 1 ranking. He is still number1 at the moment.

Say that next month.

[kalyan4fedever]

Djoker sure has been trying very hard to win every tournament he is in and he is doing a pretty good job and so the # 1 is a plus and he deserves it for sure if he gets to it, no denying it.

Originally Posted by Smasher08

Hmmmm biased much?

I like how Fed hands Djoker a bagel in Cincy and you describe the latter as "outperforming" the former.

Nope.

Djoker was lucky to be the only one of the top players who showed up in T.O. and didn't break down. That's hardly "outperforming", now is it?

Maybe Federer should have showed up in Canada if it was so easy to do so an win according to you. Djokovic had played just as many matches at the Olympics as he did after all. On no planet other than Planet **** is a Masters win, Masters RU, U.S Open RU not outperforming a Masters DNP, Masters win, U.S Open quarterfinal (losing to an opponent Djokovic would have beaten in his sleep). There certainly is someone who is biased much here.

[Paullaconte1]

Novak won it... he is really playing well.

Fed had also a remarkable season.

To me both are winners!

[pame]

Originally Posted by NadalAgassi

Maybe Federer should have showed up in Canada if it was so easy to do so an win according to you. Djokovic had played just as many matches at the Olympics as he did after all. On no planet other than Planet **** is a Masters win, Masters RU, U.S Open RU not outperforming a Masters DNP, Masters win, U.S Open quarterfinal (losing to an opponent Djokovic would have beaten in his sleep). There certainly is someone who is biased much here.

Amusing that you're fighting so hard to make the case even though you're comparing a 25 year old with a 31 year old. Implicitly says something about the quality of the 31 year old

[Zarfot Z]

Originally Posted by NadalAgassi

LOL Planet TW ****s are a truly special breed. Just look at my sig to get an idea.

Example of *******s intellect: Having a negative H2H against players 5-6 years younger than you is something to be embarrassed about.

[Smasher08]

Originally Posted by veroniquem

Excuse me??!! Summer hard court consists of 3 (main) events: 2 masters and a slam. Fed's results in all 3 events: Canada: skips, Cincy: wins, USO: loses in quarter. Djoko's results in the 3 events: Canada: wins, Cincy: final, USO: final. In the summer hard court swing, Djoko outperformed Fed BY A LANDSLIDE. And you're the one who's crazily biased if you decide to eliminate USO (you know: THE SLAM) and Canada's results just because Cincy is the event Fed happens to have won. Seriously. There are some wacko people on this board.

Awww Veronica, are you simply unable to debate without constructing a straw man?

Clearly not.

I'm glad you used the phrase "wacko". Fits someone to a t.

Because if you think that being handed a BAGEL by someone means "outperforming" them, best of luck to you in life.

[Smasher08]

Originally Posted by The Bawss

Yup. Two 500s, three 1000s and the biggest tennis tournament in the world. Wozniacki-like at best.

You forgot about handing the other contender a bagel in their most recent match, at the alleged height of the other's hard court dominance.

Yep, Fed's ascension is clearly no different than Muster artificially inflating his ranking by playing every irrelevant clay tournament throughout the world. :sarcasm:

[RAFA2005RG]

Nadal handed Federer the number one. There is no way a healthy Nadal would have been outranked by Federer in 2012.

[cc0509]

Originally Posted by RAFA2005RG

Nadal handed Federer the number one. There is no way a healthy Nadal would have been outranked by Federer in 2012.

So why is it that Federer has won more titles than Nadal this year, most of them before Wimbledon where Nadal could not get beyond round 2. In fact the last two out of three times they played, Federer won. The facts do not support your statement at all. Nadal was healthy up until Wimbledon, how many non-clay titles did he win before then and how many total titles?

[Smasher08]

Originally Posted by RAFA2005RG

Nadal handed Federer the number one. There is no way a healthy Nadal would have been outranked by Federer in 2012.

Denial is always a beautiful thing to behold.

[egn]

Djokovic won it, but this battle isn't over. Djokovic will grab it back but it's quickly on the line again once AO comes around.

[RAFA2005RG]

Originally Posted by cc0509

So why is it that Federer has won more titles than Nadal this year, most of them before Wimbledon where Nadal could not get beyond round 2. In fact the last two out of three times they played, Federer won. The facts do not support your statement at all. Nadal was healthy up until Wimbledon, how many non-clay titles did he win before then and how many total titles?

Nadal was healthy up until Wimbledon?

That's a laugh. You are waste of time if you think that

Nadal pulled out of the Miami semis. Why? Because he was damaged at Indian Wells. He later said he shouldn't have played Miami at all.

[NDFM]

Djokovic won it fair and square with his consistency all year round (greater results in slams and masters)

[Steve0904]

Originally Posted by RAFA2005RG

Nadal was healthy up until Wimbledon?

That's a laugh. You are waste of time if you think that

Nadal pulled out of the Miami semis. Why? Because he was damaged at Indian Wells. He later said he shouldn't have played Miami at all.

I won't get into when he was injured. Just because he had to pull out of Miami means nothing. He played the whole CC season after that. Nadal is healthy when he's winning, and injured when he's losing. It's very simple, and I don't mean that in a good way. I mean that's the excuse his fans come out with when he loses.

[RAFA2005RG]

Originally Posted by Steve0904

I won't get into when he was injured. Just because he had to pull out of Miami means nothing. He played the whole CC season after that. Nadal is healthy when he's winning, and injured when he's losing. It's very simple, and I don't mean that in a good way. I mean that's the excuse his fans come out with when he loses.

http://sports.ndtv.com/tennis/news/i...en-in-february

Nadal said he played with anti-inflammatories on course to winning his record seventh title at Roland Garros in May, and that he took pain-killing injections at Wimbledon.

"His training has gone well, physically and mentally he is in good shape," Toni Nadal said. "We can't put a fixed date down yet for his return but all signs are positive that he will return sooner than later."

Nadal could still return for the season-ending ATP World Tour Finals in London from Nov. 5-11 before the Nov. 16-18 Davis Cup final in Prague. But the Mubadala World Tennis Championship — where Novak Djokovic, Andy Murray and David Ferrer are confirmed — from Dec. 27-29 looks more likely.

[TheF1Bob]

This is what happen when you are in 3 slam finals but only win the one. Novaks been consistent as hell in reaching these finals be it a slam or a master series.

Put it this way, if he had won the French or the USO, we wouldn't be having this discussion now, would we Fedards?

[Hitman]

Originally Posted by TheF1Bob

This is what happen when you are in 3 slam finals but only win the one. Novaks been consistent as hell in reaching these finals be it a slam or a master series.

Put it this way, if he had won the French or the USO, we wouldn't be having this discussion now, would we Fedards?

Novak's year this year reminds me of Rafa's last year. Rafa had an incredible 2011, he was just beaten by a better player, which is why some people look at the season in a negative way. But the guy was reaching finals left right and centre. 10 finals, three slam finals and five masters finals says it all.

This year, Novak has played the role of Rafa from 2011, but no one has played the role Novak from 2011. Instead the remaining three slams were equally split, along with other big titles among the other big three players. This is what has resulted in Novak's supreme consistency aiding him in getting that ranking back within in grasp before this season ends. And rightfully so.

[Smasher08]

Originally Posted by TheF1Bob

This is what happen when you are in 3 slam finals but only win the one. Novaks been consistent as hell in reaching these finals be it a slam or a master series.

Put it this way, if he had won the French or the USO, we wouldn't be having this discussion now, would we Fedards?

Yawn. Let's get realistic here: your bluster aside, Djoker regressed from last year, while Fed improved.

And I sure can't wait to see how Djoker and Kneedal perform at 30.

(Assuming Nads is still playing after next year, of course)