Who's ready for Sandy?!

[chrischris]

Yes their story is heart breaking , such tradgedy and really unlucky with the fire spreading like that . Horrific.
I feel for all involved .
Its even worse to see the detachment from the obivous in that warmer oceans lead to amped up weather and freakier patterns than we have been used to for the last generations .
Just too much emissions out there that deteriorate the values and services we are depending on.

[Bartelby]

50 billion dollar bill from the Hurricane and a 10 billion dollar bill if flood barriers are built. An assessment:



“Three of the top 10 highest floods at the Battery since 1900 happened in the last two and a half years. If that’s not a wake-up call to take this seriously, I don’t know what is."

[chrischris]

Originally Posted by Bartelby

50 billion dollar bill from the Hurricane and a 10 billion dollar bill if flood barriers are built. An assessment:



“Three of the top 10 highest floods at the Battery since 1900 happened in the last two and a half years. If that’s not a wake-up call to take this seriously, I don’t know what is."

where did you find those figures?

According to economists that have studied the costs of and the values lost in terrain where we dont curb carbon emissions the bill wont increase linearly but exponentially.
Stern,Daly,Jackson,Costanza etc.



Seems like it. The key may be 'cognitive dissonance,do you agree?

[mikeler]

Originally Posted by Bartelby

50 billion dollar bill from the Hurricane and a 10 billion dollar bill if flood barriers are built. An assessment:



“Three of the top 10 highest floods at the Battery since 1900 happened in the last two and a half years. If that’s not a wake-up call to take this seriously, I don’t know what is."

The Northeast was long overdue for a cyclone or two. They had not been hit in a very long time.

For awhile, I thought Florida was immune to hurricanes. Sure we got a tropical depression or storm every year but no hurricanes. Then 2004 brought 3 hurricanes across the state in 6 weeks and another one that hit the panhandle. Hurricane Wilma hit South Florida the following year.

[Sentinel]

Now to go OT, but we have a Cyclone here in South India.

http://www.ndtv.com/article/cheat-sh...00-kmph-286262

[Bartelby]

Sandy actually caused death and devestation in Haiti and Cuba long before it got to the Big Apple as well.

[stringertom]

Originally Posted by Bartelby

Sandy actually caused death and devestation in Haiti and Cuba long before it got to the Big Apple as well.

Don't forget Jamaica and the Bahamas!

[chrischris]

How can we best prepare and hinder these storms form getting even worse in the future , given that they increase their impacts if given higher water temps and more water vapor?
Do we have a chance now to say do something constructively for the sake of our security and health ?

These events wont go away but i hope we can find better ways of not contributing to their powers.

[Bartelby]

If New York was still in Dutch hands there would of course have been almost no flooding whatsoever.

Even if you think its just the normal weather, Dutch public mindedness and great engineering would have solved this problem decades ago.

Even the English now have the Thames Barrier.

[Pickle9]

Originally Posted by Say Chi Sin Lo

Haha, I wonder if the courts in the east coast will play faster after being sand-blasted by debris/rain and such.

was suppose to play tournament on friday under the bubble. don't think its happening anymore. these courts will be playing like a swamp for the indefinite future. Heard at work this morning that a building my company does consulting for that is located in the same town, behind the boardwalk on the the atlantic ocean, flooded the basement and damaged the boiler, which apparently runs on diesel, and is now leaking and the area is contaminated. fck.

[stringertom]

Originally Posted by chrischris

How can we best prepare and hinder these storms form getting even worse in the future , given that they increase their impacts if given higher water temps and more water vapor?
Do we have a chance now to say do something constructively for the sake of our security and health ?

These events wont go away but i hope we can find better ways of not contributing to their powers.

Many small steps by each of us to reduce our personal carbon footprints can have a positive long-term effect. They may not seem like much but if you follow the serenity creed (God give me the power to change what I can, the serenity to accept what I can't and the wisdom to know the difference between the two) in making personal decisions and stick to them, all of us together can change the trend. Here's a few examples from my personal agenda:

1. I can't afford the purchase of a more fuel-efficient car but I CAN inflate tires properly for max mileage, tune up again for efficiency, and drive in a conservative style. I also commute via mass transit at least once a week.

2. The Brita water bottle: no more wasted plastic bottled-water. Tastes great and saves money as well.

3. The coffee mug: when ordering coffee with breakfast, it's poured into my mug and saves 7 paper cups a week.

4. Beer & soda: cans only! The aluminum is recyclable and earns $.55/lb. My recycler is on my way to work so no mileage wasted there. I also often walk to my neighborhood convenience store and pick up the cans thrown from cars onto sidewalks and road shoulders.

5. At least an hour per night, I shut everything down that consumes electricity (fridge is an exception...doesn't make any saving). It's actually quite relaxing to sit quietly in the dark or in my yard with my dogs and reflect on the day or plan for the next day.

6. Run the AC/heater at as high/low temp as comfortably possible. Here in Florida, I'm now entering "poor people's weather", when neither are necessary for more than a few hours on the coldest nights!

So, in short: figure out what you can do, take action and feel good about your effort! Tell your friends and family! We CAN do so much to change trends

2.

[mikeler]

Originally Posted by Bartelby

If New York was still in Dutch hands there would of course have been almost no flooding whatsoever.

Even if you think its just the normal weather, Dutch public mindedness and great engineering would have solved this problem decades ago.

Even the English now have the Thames Barrier.

Here in Florida, the coastal homes can't get private insurance. So our wonderful State government created an insurance pool for them. Now I get to subsidize the fat cats over on the coast.

[DRII]

Originally Posted by mikeler

Here in Florida, the coastal homes can't get private insurance. So our wonderful State government created an insurance pool for them. Now I get to subsidize the fat cats over on the coast.

Insurance and infrastructure are two entirely different things!

One is to prevent damage in the first place (infrastructure), while the other is only reactionary (insurance) and profit driven...

[chrischris]

[quote=mikeler;6986147]Here in Florida, the coastal homes can't get private insurance. So our wonderful State government created an insurance pool for them. Now I get to subsidize the fat cats over on the coast.[/QUO

see below..

[chrischris]

Originally Posted by mikeler

Here in Florida, the coastal homes can't get private insurance. So our wonderful State government created an insurance pool for them. Now I get to subsidize the fat cats over on the coast.

What the reason behind that coastal homes cant buy private insurance? Is it because the insurance companies see it as a risky proposition due to the increasing amount of energy that is in the climate system and thus damages can become 'abnormal'?

On subsidizing: How do you feel about the fact that taxes finance subsidies in the nation that then go to oil businesses?
10 billion.. http://priceofoil.org/fossil-fuel-subsidies/

They seem to get handouts and thereby make emissions of carbon go up which then in turn cause the climate system to produce amped up weather and storms, that is a 'situation' and dilemma , dont you agree?

[mikeler]

Originally Posted by DRII

Insurance and infrastructure are two entirely different things!

One is to prevent damage in the first place (infrastructure), while the other is only reactionary (insurance) and profit driven...

Thanks for explaining that Sparky.

[mikeler]

Originally Posted by chrischris

What the reason behind that coastal homes cant buy private insurance? Is it because the insurance companies see it as a risky proposition due to the increasing amount of energy that is in the climate system and thus damages can become 'abnormal'?

On subsidizing: How do you feel about the fact that taxes finance subsidies in the nation that then go to oil businesses?
10 billion.. http://priceofoil.org/fossil-fuel-subsidies/

They seem to get handouts and thereby make emissions of carbon go up which then in turn cause the climate system to produce amped up weather and storms, that is a 'situation' and dilemma , dont you agree?

How do you feel about $600B for failed green energy companies?

[chrischris]

Originally Posted by mikeler

How do you feel about $600B for failed green energy companies?

Mike, you always ask questions instead of giving answers. Why do you do that?

Here is my answer to your question. Please show mutual respect and answer the questions i put to you in my earlier post regarding coastal home insurance and oil subsidises, in your next post.


Answer:
I think you have the facts wrong. Here you can look it up.
http://www.factcheck.org/2012/10/rom...ergy-whoppers/

[chrischris]

Originally Posted by stringertom

Many small steps by each of us to reduce our personal carbon footprints can have a positive long-term effect. They may not seem like much but if you follow the serenity creed (God give me the power to change what I can, the serenity to accept what I can't and the wisdom to know the difference between the two) in making personal decisions and stick to them, all of us together can change the trend. Here's a few examples from my personal agenda:

1. I can't afford the purchase of a more fuel-efficient car but I CAN inflate tires properly for max mileage, tune up again for efficiency, and drive in a conservative style. I also commute via mass transit at least once a week.

2. The Brita water bottle: no more wasted plastic bottled-water. Tastes great and saves money as well.

3. The coffee mug: when ordering coffee with breakfast, it's poured into my mug and saves 7 paper cups a week.

4. Beer & soda: cans only! The aluminum is recyclable and earns $.55/lb. My recycler is on my way to work so no mileage wasted there. I also often walk to my neighborhood convenience store and pick up the cans thrown from cars onto sidewalks and road shoulders.

5. At least an hour per night, I shut everything down that consumes electricity (fridge is an exception...doesn't make any saving). It's actually quite relaxing to sit quietly in the dark or in my yard with my dogs and reflect on the day or plan for the next day.

6. Run the AC/heater at as high/low temp as comfortably possible. Here in Florida, I'm now entering "poor people's weather", when neither are necessary for more than a few hours on the coldest nights!

So, in short: figure out what you can do, take action and feel good about your effort! Tell your friends and family! We CAN do so much to change trends

2.

Stringertom ,
¨
ok, yes thats right.
Nothing gets done unless you begin
With time and sustained effort , results will come, otherwise we can face unacceptable consequences.
Most people feel that they want to contribute and sometimes they are scared to do mistakes since its not all that easy to be a sustainable superhuman. there are some that find 'pleasure' in finding faults , small medium or large, with ones efforts . Rather than reflect for a second or 2 over their own.
But you know , a baby cant run before standing up.

[Bartelby]

Yes, I did know about this but the problem is also that the private real estate developers did a job on the state government to make them do this to ensure the viability of the industry, as they see it, of course.

Originally Posted by mikeler

Here in Florida, the coastal homes can't get private insurance. So our wonderful State government created an insurance pool for them. Now I get to subsidize the fat cats over on the coast.