Worst band ever: REM or Chili Peppers?

[maleyoyo]

Madonna is like my golfer elbow….really annoying and never goes away.

[r2473]

Originally Posted by maleyoyo

Madonna is like my golfer elbow….really annoying and never goes away.

I'm thinking an STD joke would be appropriate here.......

[tricky]

Originally Posted by Sentinel

I think I've heard this way back ... decades ago, but don't get how it relates to me post ??

The organ line in Whiter Shade of Pale was influenced by a few JS Bach pieces. The lyric borrows from Chaucer.

[akv89]

Originally Posted by r2473

"Better" is completely subjective?

In the case of appreciating arts, yes "better" is fairly subjective, though not completely. But the degree to which it is subjective is enough for me to stay out of trying to convince people that a certain band is better than another. If someone would like to prove otherwise, I would like them to propose a quantifiable and objective measure for how good a song/band is.

[r2473]

Originally Posted by akv89

In the case of appreciating arts, yes "better" is fairly subjective, though not completely. But the degree to which it is subjective is enough for me to stay out of trying to convince people that a certain band is better than another. If someone would like to prove otherwise, I would like them to propose a quantifiable and objective measure for how good a song/band is.

http://mukto-mona.net/new_site/mukto...ivity_arts.htm

http://instruct.westvalley.edu/lafav...objective.html

A similar debate exists in the contemporary art world, because of the same confusion about subjectivity and objectivity. Nowadays, some people say that no work of art is better than any other. The Campbell's Soup logo is art; a pile of rocks or dog poop is art; the Aurora Borealis is art. Why? Because whether or not something is art is a "subjective" matter. Philosophers cringe.

What about aesthetic judgments (like "Mozart's music is better than Copland's" or "Amadeus is a better movie than Austin Powers")? Are aesthetic judgments mere matters of opinion? Again, most philosophers would say no, though aesthetic disagreements might seem tougher to settle. But think of it this way. Suppose someone says "I think store-bought tomatoes taste better than home-grown tomatoes." Now, anyone who's eaten home-grown tomatoes would be incredulous: how could anyone with experience of both decide the store-bought tomatoes taste better? As a tomato grower, my first impulse would be to wonder if the speaker simply didn't understand which tomato was which; I would want to bring the speaker one of my home-grown tomatoes and ask again! Which is better? It's just obvious if you've experienced both. Something like that may be true for works of art as well. Maybe people who think Austin Powers is an excellent film simply have no idea what a good film is, and they'll change their minds gradually as they acquire more experience of life and art. All I'm proposing is that with aesthetic judgments, some people have relevant expertise.

[heycal]

Originally Posted by r2473

http://mukto-mona.net/new_site/mukto...ivity_arts.htm

http://instruct.westvalley.edu/lafav...objective.html

A similar debate exists in the contemporary art world, because of the same confusion about subjectivity and objectivity. Nowadays, some people say that no work of art is better than any other. The Campbell's Soup logo is art; a pile of rocks or dog poop is art; the Aurora Borealis is art. Why? Because whether or not something is art is a "subjective" matter. Philosophers cringe.

What about aesthetic judgments (like "Mozart's music is better than Copland's" or "Amadeus is a better movie than Austin Powers")? Are aesthetic judgments mere matters of opinion? Again, most philosophers would say no, though aesthetic disagreements might seem tougher to settle. But think of it this way. Suppose someone says "I think store-bought tomatoes taste better than home-grown tomatoes." Now, anyone who's eaten home-grown tomatoes would be incredulous: how could anyone with experience of both decide the store-bought tomatoes taste better? As a tomato grower, my first impulse would be to wonder if the speaker simply didn't understand which tomato was which; I would want to bring the speaker one of my home-grown tomatoes and ask again! Which is better? It's just obvious if you've experienced both. Something like that may be true for works of art as well. Maybe people who think Austin Powers is an excellent film simply have no idea what a good film is, and they'll change their minds gradually as they acquire more experience of life and art. All I'm proposing is that with aesthetic judgments, some people have relevant expertise.

But what about the fact that "Austin Powers" IS a better film than "Amadeus"? Or that brownies made from a mix (Duncan Hines, Betty Crocker, etc) ARE generally better than homemade brownies? (Same with cake mixes. Although homemade chocolate chip cookies are almost always better than any store-bought ones.)

[heycal]

Originally Posted by zapvor

i am surprised too. heycal went with the 'universal' choice by citing beatles as best band. what a joke.

And some bands that are better than them are...?

Originally Posted by maleyoyo

In term of tennis, the Beatles are like pushers who win a lot.

No. In tennis terms, the Beatles are Rod Laver, Roger Federer, and Pete Sampras combined, and these are other bands are like Leyton Hewitt, Andy Roddick, and David Nalbandian.

[r2473]

Originally Posted by heycal

But what about the fact that "Austin Powers" IS a better film than "Amadeus"? Or that brownies made from a mix (Duncan Hines, Betty Crocker, etc) ARE generally better than homemade brownies? (Same with cake mixes. Although homemade chocolate chip cookies are almost always better than any store-bought ones.)

Any idea where I can find the best pizza? Or Chinese food?

[heycal]

Originally Posted by r2473

Any idea where I can find the best pizza? Or Chinese food?

I certainly do.

[heycal]

Let's talk about Brian Wilson for a moment since he comes up a lot in this thread.

Now, I like the Beach Boys as much as the next guy. They are all over my ipod. I love all the surf music, and later hits like God Only Knows and Good Vibrations are wonderful.

But what else is there? What did he do that put him anywhere near the Beatles, or the Stones, for that matter?

The vaunted Pet Sounds, which I read was suppposedly inspired by Rubber Soul, ain't no Rubber Soul. Check out the track listings if you don't believe me. A couple of excellent songs and that's it.

I mean, come on, folks. He's certainly one of the most talented American pop guys of all time, but let's not over-praise him. The surf music was great, but he was really only able to produce less than a handful of excellent songs once he moved beyond that.

[BauerAlmeida]

Originally Posted by heycal

And some bands that are better than them are...?



No. In tennis terms, the Beatles are Rod Laver, Roger Federer, and Pete Sampras combined, and these are other bands are like Leyton Hewitt, Andy Roddick, and David Nalbandian.

Pink Floyd and Queen are as good or better than The Beatles.

[heycal]

Originally Posted by BauerAlmeida

Pink Floyd and Queen are as good or better than The Beatles.

Lol, as the kids say. Pink Floyd was excellent, but when you look at their output, you've only got the great "Dark Side of the Moon" and a few fine songs here and there.

As for Queen, there's really not much beyond Bohemian Rhapsody. Freddie Mercury had what I might call an Elvis problem: Amazing singer, not so great material.

[jaggy]

This band rocks (related)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgxT9vQKWnA

[Disgruntled Worker]

Originally Posted by heycal

Lol, as the kids say. Pink Floyd was excellent, but when you look at their output, you've only got the great "Dark Side of the Moon" and a few fine songs here and there.

As for Queen, there's really not much beyond Bohemian Rhapsody. Freddie Mercury had what I might call an Elvis problem: Amazing singer, not so great material.

You're so clueless. The Beatles played three chord songs and called it music. Same with the Stones. Same with Nirvana. Freddy Mercury wrote the songs, composed the (very intricate) music, played the piano, AND sang at a ridiculous range. And don't even get me started on Pink Floyd. To suggest that "Dark Side of the Moon" was their only contribution is not only stupid, it's insulting!

[PCXL-Fan]

Heycal, don't make it bad
Take a sad thread and make it better
Remember to let us into your heart
Then you can start to make it better

Heycal, don't be afraid
You were made to go out and get sunshine
The minute you let thoughts enter your head
Then you begin to make it better.

And any time you feel the urge, heycal, refrain
Don't carry these thoughts between your ears
Well don't you know that its a fool who plays it cool
By making his world a little colder

Heycal! Don't let us down
You know the truth, now go and get sunshine
Remember, to let us into your heart
Then you can start to make it better.

So let it out and let it in, heycal, begin
You're waiting for someone to perform with
And don't you know that it's just you, heycal,
You'll do, the movement you need is on your shoulder

Heycal, don't make it bad
Take a sad thread and make it better
Remember to let us into your heart
Then you can start to make it better

[BauerAlmeida]

Originally Posted by heycal

Lol, as the kids say. Pink Floyd was excellent, but when you look at their output, you've only got the great "Dark Side of the Moon" and a few fine songs here and there.

As for Queen, there's really not much beyond Bohemian Rhapsody. Freddie Mercury had what I might call an Elvis problem: Amazing singer, not so great material.

LOOOOOOOOOOOL

Amazing singer, NOT so great material???? Mercury was probably the best songwriter in popular music. Not really much beyond Bohemian Rhapsody?? Listen to March of the Black Queen, Innuendo, Millonaire Waltz, My Fairy King, Good Old Fashioned Lover Boy, Killer Queen, In the Lap of the Gods Revisited, Jealousy, Great King Rat, Ogre Battle, Fairy Feller's Master Stroke, You Take My Breath Away, and I can go on for ever.....Not to mention Brian May's stuff like The Prophet's Song, 39', White Queen, Teo Torriate, All Dead All Dead, It's Late and a lot of other great tunes.

Probably not any other could write and arrange music like Queen.

And Dark Side is Floyd's masterpice, but you're very wrong again if you think it's their only great album...what about Wish You Were Here?? Animals? Meddle?? The Division Bell?? All of them fantastic albums.

[BauerAlmeida]

Originally Posted by Disgruntled Worker

You're so clueless. The Beatles played three chord songs and called it music. Same with the Stones. Same with Nirvana. Freddy Mercury wrote the songs, composed the (very intricate) music, played the piano, AND sang at a ridiculous range. And don't even get me started on Pink Floyd. To suggest that "Dark Side of the Moon" was their only contribution is not only stupid, it's insulting!

It's true what you say about Nirvana and Rolling Stones playing very simple music. But The Beatles could write fantastic music too. In their first albums there are a lot of 3-chord songs and nothing very creative but from "Revolver" on wards there are a lot of fantastic songs.

[r2473]

Originally Posted by heycal

I certainly do.

How about a nice pair of skinny jeans for a 50 year old man?

[heycal]

Originally Posted by Disgruntled Worker

You're so clueless. The Beatles played three chord songs and called it music. Same with the Stones. Same with Nirvana. Freddy Mercury wrote the songs, composed the (very intricate) music, played the piano, AND sang at a ridiculous range.

Yes, BAD songs.

Originally Posted by BauerAlmeida

LOOOOOOOOOOOL

Amazing singer, NOT so great material???? Mercury was probably the best songwriter in popular music. Not really much beyond Bohemian Rhapsody?? Listen to March of the Black Queen, Innuendo, Millonaire Waltz, My Fairy King, Good Old Fashioned Lover Boy, Killer Queen, In the Lap of the Gods Revisited, Jealousy, Great King Rat, Ogre Battle, Fairy Feller's Master Stroke, You Take My Breath Away, and I can go on for ever.....Not to mention Brian May's stuff like The Prophet's Song, 39', White Queen, Teo Torriate, All Dead All Dead, It's Late and a lot of other great tunes.

I must admit I don't know these songs. When I say bad music, I really only mean the hits that a casual listener would know. That said, I somehow doubt that all these songs are great, and somehow only the bad ones became well-known...

[heycal]

Originally Posted by r2473

How about a nice pair of skinny jeans for a 50 year old man?

Gap or H&M. But can't go too skinny though when this old -- let a girlfriend or a teenager be your guide here.