Which current WTA forehand matches the ATP pattern best?

[dominikk1985]

What do you think? I think there are not many. justine was one but she is retired.

I think currently it is stosur
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_mNZGq8TfE

any other players?

[El Nino]

Svetlana Is another one.

[5263]

Originally Posted by dominikk1985

What do you think? I think there are not many. justine was one but she is retired.

I think currently it is stosur
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_mNZGq8TfE

any other players?

yes, but she could use that left arm and shoulder more couldn't she.

[dominikk1985]

Originally Posted by 5263

yes, but she could use that left arm and shoulder more couldn't she.

and also her legs, she is just rotating her core and shoulders without a lot of leg drive. svetlana is also a good call she doesn't have that typical russian/czech flat FH you can see she learned in spain.

kivitova is really funny as she is hitting about 70-80% reverse FHs (almost 100 on CC shots). no other girl on tour uses at this often but still she hits huge and relatively flat.

[FrisbeeFool]

I like Christina Mchale's forehand. She can really dictate play with her forehand. Her take-back is pretty compact.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPgCQx6IvsM

Kuznetsova has amazing strokes off both sides. I think her backhand is the perfect model for a two-hander. Very compact takeback on both sides, handles pace well, amazing power off both sides. Seems like she's kind of a head case though. With her strokes she should be in the top ten all the time.

[LeeD]

ChrisMac's forehand looks like a hybrid cross between WTA and ATP forehands. She let's go early, mainly using a WTA takeback, and uses little WW finish compared to most guys.

[FrisbeeFool]

another Mchale video. This is match play I think.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2uVwr7wAoE

[FrisbeeFool]

I saw an interview with Bethanie Mattek-Sands where she talks about retooling her forehand to model it more on federer's. She talked about how much extension outward he gets, and trying to copy that in her own forehand.

I think Mattek-Sands has a nice forehand

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1E7aoh0KMY

[Cheetah]

It's nice but cocks her wrist back during takeback and keeps it locked all the way through. kind of an advaneced WTA swing. not atp

[FrisbeeFool]

I guess it does look a little mechanical compared to the fluidity of a federer or Nadal. Still a nice sound forehand. There's only one Roger.

[Cheetah]

McHale's looks pretty nice. So does the 'new' Li Na form.

[FrisbeeFool]

Really good side view of Mchale. I think you're going to see some stretch-shortening action, Cheetah.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDvqo...endscreen&NR=1

Her takeback reminds me of Verdasco, with how relaxed her forearm or grip or whatever looks. I don't know the terminology. the racket looks loose, then it really lays back when she starts to go forward.

[Lovingit007]

Originally Posted by FrisbeeFool

Really good side view of Mchale. I think you're going to see some stretch-shortening action, Cheetah.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDvqo...endscreen&NR=1

Her takeback reminds me of Verdasco, with how relaxed her forearm or grip or whatever looks. I don't know the terminology. the racket looks loose, then it really lays back when she starts to go forward.

Mchale's forehand can still improve if she finishes with palm almost downfacing. stop the video at .37 and .38 and .39. you can see how her palm starts to face up and the hitting racquet face starts to face the side fence. in order to keep the hitting face almost down facing she has to slightly change the grip and then we are talking Federer...

[Cheetah]

Originally Posted by Lovingit007

Mchale's forehand can still improve if she finishes with palm almost downfacing. stop the video at .37 and .38 and .39. you can see how her palm starts to face up and the hitting racquet face starts to face the side fence. in order to keep the hitting face almost down facing she has to slightly change the grip and then we are talking Federer...

it's not the grip. it's her lack or little use of internal shoulder rotation.

edit: she seems to more isr in the above match play vid

[dominikk1985]

Originally Posted by Cheetah

it's not the grip. it's her lack or little use of internal shoulder rotation.

edit: she seems to more isr in the above match play vid

fed doesn't use internal rotation to accelerate either. with a straight arm the arm IR is only creating spin but not forward acceleration. to use IR of the arm to accelerate the hand forward you need an elbow angle of about 90 degrees.

BTW I think that things like taking back pronated or neutral doesn't make a difference at all. the takeback is really overrated. It is just important that you are not totally pre setting the supination of the forearm because you want to start the forwards swing with a little supination (the racket drop) before you reverse that to pronation.

but whether you start that initial supination for a neutral position or pronate in the takeback really doesn't make a real difference.

[Cheetah]

Originally Posted by dominikk1985

fed doesn't use internal rotation to accelerate either. with a straight arm the arm IR is only creating spin but not forward acceleration. to use IR of the arm to accelerate the hand forward you need an elbow angle of about 90 degrees.

OK but we were talking about the finish not acceleration.
And isr does increase rhs no matter how you use it be it straight / bent / extreme or conservative.

BTW I think that things like taking back pronated or neutral doesn't make a difference at all. the takeback is really overrated. It is just important that you are not totally pre setting the supination of the forearm because you want to start the forwards swing with a little supination (the racket drop) before you reverse that to pronation.

The neutral takeback also affects things other than pronation. Such as wrist extension / deviation not to mention putting your arm in a relaxed state which can't happen as effectively as when using a non-neutral takeback as I'm sure you'll agree.

What do you mean by 'not pre-setting' the supination? Sounds like you are saying your arm should be in a pronated position which you said doesn't make a difference.

what do you mean by 'racquet drop'?

And if done correctly, or in this context of the 'modern atp fh', you don't 'start supination'. The supination happens as a result of the stretching coming out of the pronated position. If you manually put the arm in a supinated position then no stretching will occur.
The takeback into the position just before foreward swing affects a lot of things.

Show me just one video of a top 50 male pro not using a neutral takeback and then we'll discuss. Otherwise not overrated.

[taurussable]

stosur current and henin past.

[pushing_wins]

Originally Posted by dominikk1985

What do you think? I think there are not many. justine was one but she is retired.

I think currently it is stosur
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_mNZGq8TfE

any other players?

i see the same thing

how bout guys who hits like girls? chardy, soderling

[chrischris]

Arvidsson , Stosur and Hantuchova.

[dominikk1985]

Originally Posted by chrischris

Arvidsson , Stosur and Hantuchova.

wouldn't hantuchova be more of a traditional FH? she swings big but hits flat with not a ton of spin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3koV2YI2-gc