Prediction About Federer

[vllaznia]

Originally Posted by batz

I'm not quite sure what your point is mate - none of this gets us away from the fact that Roger would prefer to play someone with whom he has a 13-0 record than someone with a 8-10 record. I don't think this is a particularly contentious point.

You seem to be arguing over who would win if Roger plays Murray in the semis - I don't think I've expressed a view on that. If you're asking for my view I'd make it 50:50.

Of course Federer would prefer to play Ferrer if you watched the match even against a terrible Federer , David did not have a chance to win no one is arguing that, my point was the comment you wrote that Federer lost his 5 sets not being able to get to 5 games as if Federer would have no chance vs Murray if they will play at WTF.

[batz]

Originally Posted by vllaznia

Of course Federer would prefer to play Ferrer if you watched the match even against a terrible Federer , David did not have a chance to win no one is arguing that, my point was the comment you wrote that Federer lost his 5 sets not being able to get to 5 games as if Federer would have no chance vs Murray if they will play at WTF.

Roger has lost his last 5 sets/ 2 matches to Murray without making 5 games - this just adds more weight to my argument that the notion that Roger got a tough draw at the WTF was complete arsegravy. It was not intended to imply that the pattern would continue. As I already said, if they meet in the semis I see it as a coin toss. Roger likes the 02 and its bounce - anyone can see that.

[vllaznia]

Originally Posted by batz

Roger has lost his last 5 sets/ 2 matches to Murray without making 5 games - this just adds more weight to my argument that the notion that Roger got a tough draw at the WTF was complete arsegravy. It was not intended to imply that the pattern would continue. As I already said, if they meet in the semis I see it as a coin toss. Roger likes the 02 and its bounce - anyone can see that.

No doubt that Federer got the easiest draw possible for him. If they meet in the semis i see Roger as a favorite because of their last 2 meetings in 02, just as i would see Murray favorite if they meet in Shanghai 2013.

[batz]

Originally Posted by vllaznia

No doubt that Federer got the easiest draw possible for him. If they meet in the semis i see Roger as a favorite because of their last 2 meetings in 02, just as i would see Murray favorite if they meet in Shanghai 2013.

Fair enough mate - not an unreasonable position to take.

[The Bawss]

Originally Posted by batz

Indeed it is mate - as is the 8-10 head to head.

That's petty. And weak. Bringing up an almost even head-to-head, ooh how compelling. You disappoint me batz by stooping to the same low as ***.

Federer is going to win this WTF, nobody else has a chance, especially not Nadal who is at home eating tortillas. How you like that, veroniquem?

[batz]

Originally Posted by The Bawss

That's petty. And weak. Bringing up an almost even head-to-head, ooh how compelling. You disappoint me batz by stooping to the same low as ***.

Federer is going to win this WTF, nobody else has a chance, especially not Nadal who is at home eating tortillas. How you like that, veroniquem?

No - it was completely relevant to the point I was making - that Roger had an excellent draw that was much easier than it could have been. That statement is predicated partly on Murray's head to head.

That said, I truly couldn't give a feck what you think about me.

[tennisaddict]

Originally Posted by batz

Are you taking the piss mate? Roger is 28-3 against the 3 guys he did get drawn against and has never lost to 2 of them.

Roger is 27-18 against the guys he could have got and has lost to all 3 of them at least 3 times. He has also lost his last 5 sets to Murray without even making 5 games.

Now I don't have a problem with this - the draw is just the draw - either Roger or Noel could have had this draw, but please - spare us the 'Roger had a tough draw' bollocks - he got the draw he would have picked.

Do we decide what is a tough draw based on the match ups alone and not based on the form ?

[batz]

Originally Posted by tennisaddict

Do we decide what is a tough draw based on the match ups alone and not based on the form ?

We do if that form has had little or no bearing on the match ups. Ferrer can win all the tournaments in the world, but it doesn't have much bearing on whether or not he is going to beat Roger - unless he was beating Roger on the way to winning those tournaments.

Ferrer has been in great form recently, but I still wish Murray could have drawn him or Delpo rather than Berdych - because of their previous respective records.

[Prisoner of Birth]

Originally Posted by batz

Indeed it is mate - as is the 8-10 head to head.

Honestly, the only head-to-head that matters is 17-1. Or 6-0, considering this is the WTF. Either way, it's about time Murray won this one. I think he's the best indoor player right now, if he doesn't choke.

[Prisoner of Birth]

Originally Posted by zam88

Federer hasn't 3-peated at this event and while it's not an excuse in any way, I'm not so sure he comes into this event with the same motivation as usual.

2010 - won the AO that year, but then got beat a LOT... wanted to get some revenge!

2011 - first slamless year in a long time, had some rough losses... wanted to get some revenge!

2012 - won wimbledon, got his #1, won plenty of other tournaments... got respect back... motivation? eh... i don't see it.

he might win, he might lose... i'm not sure he's going to really put his body on the line for this one.

Federer loves this tournament. More so than probably any current player. I'm pretty sure he is just as motivated as ever, as I believe he's really eyeing that #1 rank post-AO. If he loses, it's because he was beaten by the better player on the day, not because he isn't motivated.

[batz]

Originally Posted by Prisoner of Birth

Honestly, the only head-to-head that matters is 17-1. Or 6-0, considering this is the WTF. Either way, it's about time Murray won this one. I think he's the best indoor player right now, when he doesn't choke.

FFS - maybe F1Bob was right on the match thread - some Fedfans do have their periods at the moment - you're now the 3rd one.

For the third time - it wasn't meant to imply anything other than getting Ferrer in your draw is better than getting Murray, because you'd rather play someone you are 13-0 against than someone you are 8-10 against.

It wasn't meant as a barb, a dig, or anything detrimental - just a salient point.

[Prisoner of Birth]

Originally Posted by batz

FFS - maybe F1Bob was right on the match thread - some Fedfans do have their periods at the moment - you're now the 3rd one.

For the third time - it wasn't meant to imply anything other than getting Ferrer in your draw is better than getting Murray, because you'd rather play someone you are 13-0 against than someone you are 8-10 against.

It wasn't meant as a barb, a dig, or anything detrimental - just a salient point.

That's a match-up issue. On current form, a random player would rather play Tsonga and Berdych than Ferrer or Del Potro. But not Federer, because he has his worries against Tsonga and Berdych. The draw itself isn't too bad. It's just that Federer got what he would've wanted. Either way, it's like the first time in years that Federer got such an easy (personally) draw in a big-tournament so I don't see the big deal.

[Russeljones]

Originally Posted by kalyan4fedever

There will be sure decline in feds performance as the tournament progresses, so i have to agree with op there

What do you base this on?

[batz]

Originally Posted by Prisoner of Birth

That's a match-up issue. On current form, a random player would rather play Tsonga and Berdych than Ferrer or Del Potro. But not Federer, because he has his worries against Tsonga and Berdych. The draw itself isn't too bad. It's just that Federer got what he would've wanted. Either way, it's like the first time in years that Federer got such an easy (personally) draw in a big-tournament so I don't see the big deal.

Neither do I mate - if you read my earlier post I said as much. I have no beef with Roger's draw - it's his draw - it could just as easily been Noel's draw. My beef is with people who are suggesting that Roger didn't get an easy draw because Ferru and Delpo are in form.

[The Bawss]

Originally Posted by batz

No - it was completely relevant to the point I was making - that Roger had an excellent draw that was much easier than it could have been. That statement is predicated partly on Murray's head to head.

That said, I truly couldn't give a feck what you think about me.

Let's face it. You do.

Now that I'm here I might as well rustle your jimmies a bit so here's a truth pill:

Fed's draw has the in-form indoor players, the whole of group A is full of mugs who have been losing left and right to nobodies. There, I said it.

[ductrung3993]

Originally Posted by batz

Neither do I mate - if you read my earlier post I said as much. I have no beef with Roger's draw - it's his draw - it could just as easily been Noel's draw. My beef is with people who are suggesting that Roger didn't get an easy draw because Ferru and Delpo are in form.

...which is true.

And dont forget that Fed's group wont get to rest for the SF.

Just calm down.

[tennisaddict]

Originally Posted by batz

Neither do I mate - if you read my earlier post I said as much. I have no beef with Roger's draw - it's his draw - it could just as easily been Noel's draw. My beef is with people who are suggesting that Roger didn't get an easy draw because Ferru and Delpo are in form.

Ferrer and Delpo have accomplished more in the recent past. Also the main issue is Fed has to defeat probably both Murray and Nole back to back, if he is to win. If he had been with Murray, he would have had a passage to finals. Given his record, you have to expect Fed to reach semis in any group.

[batz]

Originally Posted by The Bawss

Let's face it. You do.

Now that I'm here I might as well rustle your jimmies a bit so here's a truth pill:

Fed's draw has the in-form indoor players, the whole of group A is full of mugs who have been losing left and right to nobodies. There, I said it.

Er, no, I really don't. There are many people in the world whose views I value and therefore care about - you are not among them.

You're entitled to your opinion on the draw.

[CDNguy87]

Originally Posted by batz

For the third time - it wasn't meant to imply anything other than getting Ferrer in your draw is better than getting Murray, because you'd rather play someone you are 13-0 against than someone you are 8-10 against.

But if the choice is between playing Ferrer early on in the RR and then playing Murray in the Semis OR playing Murray early on in the RR and Ferrer in the Semis, Fed would almost certainly pick the latter. You're confusing this with a normal single-elimination tournament.

If his goal was to win his RR group, then Federer clearly got an easy draw. But his goal is clearly the win the whole thing, which requires winning the Semi and Final. A hiccup in the RR is not a problem, but a loss in the Semi or Final obviously is. From that perspective, Fed's draw as it stands will make it much harder for him to win the actual tournament than Novak's.

[tennisaddict]

Originally Posted by CDNguy87

But if the choice is between playing Ferrer early on in the RR and then playing Murray in the Semis OR playing Murray early on in the RR and Ferrer in the Semis, Fed would almost certainly pick the latter. You're confusing this with a normal single-elimination tournament.

If his goal was to win his RR group, then Federer clearly got an easy draw. But his goal is clearly the win the whole thing, which requires winning the Semi and Final. A hiccup in the RR is not a problem, but a loss in the Semi or Final obviously is. From that perspective, Fed's draw as it stands will make it much harder for him to win the actual tournament than Novak's.

It is not that they dont understand, they just ignore that.