Is Murrokovic going to send Fedal to the grave?

[Mainad]

Originally Posted by NadalAgassi

When it comes to Federer and Murray the patterns remains the same thus far. Federer dominates the big matches, he is 7-2 vs Murray at the Slams, Olympics, WTF, and Davis Cup all combined, while Murray dominates the smaller meetings. Shanghai and WTF shows the pattern is still going strong.

The Olympics? Murray is 1-0 v Federer at the Olympics! Don't you recall the straight sets beatdown he inflicted on him in the final? Plus they have never met in Davis Cup. How could they? The GB team have never qualified to meet Switzerland in Davis Cup!

Originally Posted by NadalAgassi

The other dumb thing about this thread is that Djokovic and Murray are not even ranked #1 and #2 now. Djokovic and Federer are, and Murray isnt particularly close to Federer yet. So it is quite possible Federer and Nadal continue to be in the same half of many events, Djokovic and Murray likewise are.

Agreed. That is quite possible. Although everything depends on Nadal returning quickly to form if and when he ever rejoins the tour!

[batz]

Originally Posted by NadalAgassi

They played at the WTF in 2008, 2009, 2010, and 2012 with Federer winning all but 2008. You are right I had one more slam meeting than actually happened so 6-2 Roger it is.

I forgot about the 2010 match - good shout.

Originally Posted by Mainad

The Olympics? Murray is 1-0 v Federer at the Olympics! Don't you recall the straight sets beatdown he inflicted on him in the final? Plus they have never met in Davis Cup. How could they? The GB team have never qualified to meet Switzerland in Davis Cup!

I am fully aware Murray beat Federer in the Olympics, but even with that victory for Murray factored in, Federer still has an enormous lead in their H2H in the most major meetings. I listed both the Olympics (knowing Murray won their only meeting) and Davis Cup (knowing they have not yet played in it) as those as those are amongst the sports biggest events which are all bigger than a Masters, and which after counting all of Federer still is way ahead as I said. I fail to see what point you are attempting to make.

[cc0509]

Originally Posted by veroniquem

Fed is in his 30s, so he's heading to the exit regardless of Murray/Djoko. Nadal sent himself out this year (not deliberately of course) and that had to do with his own body and neither Murray nor Djoko whom he beat in 3 finals before his knee problems started.

Off clay? Don't think so.

[cc0509]

Originally Posted by Clarky21

Nadal is heading to the exit himself so I don't know why you keep bringing this up. And in case you haven't noticed,Fed is STILL playing and making finals,even at his age. Where's Nadal? He's 5 years younger and is finished. I am actually getting so sick of your gloating over Fed having to retire soon,that I hope Nadal retires just to see this all blow up in your face. You definitely deserve it.

She is going to have to get used to Fed around because even though I personally don't understand how he can possibly still be motivated at this stage, he seems to want to forge ahead. Meanwhile Nadal keeps taunting his silly fans on his FB page with his continuous pleas that he is "coming back soon", lol.

[Clarky21]

Originally Posted by cc0509

She is going to have to get used to Fed around because even though I personally don't understand how he can possibly still be motivated at this stage, he seems to want to forge ahead. Meanwhile Nadal keeps taunting his silly fans on his FB page with his continuous pleas that he is "coming back soon", lol.

Agreed. Vero reads too much VB. That and she hates Fed so much she makes herself look silly everytime she brings up his impending retirement,even though Nadal is 5 years younger,and already done himself. I really do hope Nadal retires asap just to shut her up.


And you're also right about Nadal's FB posts. He should shut it until he can make up his mind,and stop with the bs. He's doing nothing but giving false hope,but he's too selfish to even realize it. That's what living in an insular bubble will do to you,and Nadal is living proof of it.

[Mainad]

Originally Posted by NadalAgassi

I am fully aware Murray beat Federer in the Olympics, but even with that victory for Murray factored in, Federer still has an enormous lead in their H2H in the most major meetings. I listed both the Olympics (knowing Murray won their only meeting) and Davis Cup (knowing they have not yet played in it) as those as those are amongst the sports biggest events which are all bigger than a Masters, and which after counting all of Federer still is way ahead as I said. I fail to see what point you are attempting to make.

Fair enough. I just found it odd you would include Olympics and DC in your list when Federer has never beaten or played Murray in either of those.

I am not trying to manipulate stats to make Federer look better. Those are the various events that in my view are above a Masters in importance. Most people on this forum consider the Slams and the WTF by far the most important (I feel the Olympics is more important than most on this forum, and most on this forum regard Davis Cup as basically a joke these days but IMO it also has more prestige than a regular Masters), so going by their standards it would be 6-1 Federer in the most important events. I like Murray moreso than Federer, but until Murray comes up with more huge wins over Federer like the Olympics, Federer owns him in the most important events. Career stats can be bypassed somewhat for more recent meetings, but even recent meetings alone show Federer beating Murray at both Wimbledon and the WTF this year. Masters are important too but they are middle of the pack in a top players schedule these days. Take this year for instance, on average the top players played 6 events more important than the Masters, and only 4 or 5 below them.

[President]

Originally Posted by Clarky21

Agreed. Vero reads too much VB. That and she hates Fed so much she makes herself look silly everytime she brings up his impending retirement,even though Nadal is 5 years younger,and already done himself. I really do hope Nadal retires asap just to shut her up.


And you're also right about Nadal's FB posts. He should shut it until he can make up his mind,and stop with the bs. He's doing nothing but giving false hope,but he's too selfish to even realize it. That's what living in an insular bubble will do to you,and Nadal is living proof of it.

With this post, it is really obvious that you are not an actual fan of Nadal. Stop pretending to be.

[Clarky21]

Originally Posted by President

With this post, it is really obvious that you are not an actual fan of Nadal. Stop pretending to be.

Another one to add to the list. I don't worship anyone and will never stoop to being a **** of a certain player. I don't really care if that bugs you or not.

[norbac]

I hope so, I love it when Murray and Djoker play.

[Netspirit]

Originally Posted by norbac

I hope so, I love it when Murray and Djoker play.

I love it when paint dries.

[Warmaster]

Rather pointless discussion. The big 4 are the big 4, not two pairs.

What goes for Federer and Nadal, goes for Djokovic and Murray as well. They don't have that many back to back wins either (Djokovic might have the most).

It's just simple math. Presume they are all relatively equal. They all have a 50% chance to win against eachother. Meaning back to back wins are likely to happen 1 out of 4 times.

This year, Federer is 1 out of 3. Looks pretty decent to me.

In the end, most of them win their titles if they get 'lucky' (as in they only had to defeat one (or none) of the big 4 instead of 2 on their way to the title).

[underground]

Federer God Mode can still past Djokovic and Murray back-to-back. But yesterday God mode disappeared ever since Djokovic got that first break back....

[beast of mallorca]

Originally Posted by underground

Federer God Mode can still past Djokovic and Murray back-to-back. But yesterday God mode disappeared ever since Djokovic got that first break back....

Because your idol got scared and choked.

[Prisoner of Birth]

Originally Posted by Mike Sams

Obviously you didn't read my post.
Federer beat Murray but lost to Djokovic. Therefore he failed in beating Murray-Djokovic in back to back matches. Murray-Djokovic aka Murrokovic.
There was a time when beating Federer and Nadal back to back was a huge deal. Same thing seems to be the case with Murray-Djokovic. Nadal can't seem to do it off clay, Federer can't seem to do it off grass.
That's my point.

Federer and Nadal won 21 of the 23 contested Slams from the 2005 FO to the 2010 US Open. Are you seriously comparing Djokovic/Murray duo's "domination" to those two's?

[Clarky21]

Originally Posted by Prisoner of Birth

Federer and Nadal won 21 of the 23 contested Slams from the 2005 FO to the 2010 US Open. Are you seriously comparing Djokovic/Murray duo's "domination" to those two's?

Unfortunately he is. Mike Shams posts a lot of stuff like this and starts a lot of threads like this as well. Too bad he continues to post without having even a remote clue about what's going on.

[norbac]

Originally Posted by Netspirit

I love it when paint dries.

At least the matches are unpredictable, unlike Fed/Nadal (especially the Slam matches).

[Mainad]

Originally Posted by NadalAgassi

I am not trying to manipulate stats to make Federer look better. Those are the various events that in my view are above a Masters in importance. Most people on this forum consider the Slams and the WTF by far the most important (I feel the Olympics is more important than most on this forum, and most on this forum regard Davis Cup as basically a joke these days but IMO it also has more prestige than a regular Masters), so going by their standards it would be 6-1 Federer in the most important events. I like Murray moreso than Federer, but until Murray comes up with more huge wins over Federer like the Olympics, Federer owns him in the most important events. Career stats can be bypassed somewhat for more recent meetings, but even recent meetings alone show Federer beating Murray at both Wimbledon and the WTF this year. Masters are important too but they are middle of the pack in a top players schedule these days. Take this year for instance, on average the top players played 6 events more important than the Masters, and only 4 or 5 below them.

It's okay. I understand your point. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

[flyinghippos101]

Fedal has already been on the steady slope towards obscurity anyway without Murray and Djokovic, what with Fed growing older and Nadal becoming more fragile. I wouldn't put much stock in a major Fed-Nadal hegemonic hold on the tour anymore, those days are decisively over. Not because of some joint rise in an opposing Murray-Djokovic hegemon, but because of a decline in both guys' games, and I guess a lot of it has to do with Novak owning the tour moreso than Murray.

I'd wager Nadal has a greater chance of becoming a more consistent contender at slams in the coming years than Fed