[video] Wall hitting

[psv255]

Lazy, uninspired, "no thinking involved," wall hitting.
I was having trouble spacing my distance away from ball on the forehand.

I appreciate both full-on bashing and constructive comments very much.

Thanks

http://youtu.be/QzqP71zyvWU

[ShoeShiner]

Your BH/FH are fine for me.

You should know one thing when the ball bounces back from the wall and ground, its speed will drop down to 30-40% of the speed we hit.
☞ If we want to hit after 1 bounce, we should stand closer. (Most people try to hit too hard in order to keep 1 bounce, it will be over hitting when we hit with the same swing in real courts.)
☞ If we want to stand far as you doing in the vid, we should hit after 2 bounces.
☞ Do not just hit and hit, do the drills in sets with objectives.

I always train with the pros. But I do not want to pay money much, so I find someone better than me and do matches play. After matches play, make up objectives to practise, and make up some drills.

Some of my wall drills, try this(difficult but useful) :
① Run to left and hit, then run to right and hit, repeat 10-12 shots per set, try 8-10 sets. 1 bounce when stand close. 2 bounces when stand far.
② Run to front and hit after 1 bounces, then run to back and hit after 2 bounces, repeat 8-10 shots per set, try 6-8 sets.
✺ We can practise to predict the ball high and ball path after the ball impact the wall. ✺

[enishi1357]

just step further back. it will help your backhand and forehand trust me

[psv255]

Originally Posted by ShoeShiner

Your BH/FH are fine for me.

You should know one thing when the ball bounces back from the wall and ground, its speed will drop down to 30-40% of the speed we hit.
☞ If we want to hit after 1 bounce, we should stand closer. (Most people try to hit too hard in order to keep 1 bounce, it will be over hitting when we hit with the same swing in real courts.)
☞ If we want to stand far as you doing in the vid, we should hit after 2 bounces.
☞ Do not just hit and hit, do the drills in sets with objectives.

I always train with the pros. But I do not want to pay money much, so I find someone better than me and do matches play. After matches play, make up objectives to practise, and make up some drills.

Some of my wall drills, try this(difficult but useful) :
① Run to left and hit, then run to right and hit, repeat 10-12 shots per set, try 8-10 sets. 1 bounce when stand close. 2 bounces when stand far.
② Run to front and hit after 1 bounces, then run to back and hit after 2 bounces, repeat 8-10 shots per set, try 6-8 sets.
✺ We can practise to predict the ball high and ball path after the ball impact the wall. ✺

I'll try doing these drills, thanks.
But somehow I don't see any merit in trying to hit after two bounces...the ball will most likely be too low to hit. Perhaps this is just true for me; the surface is a mix of gravel and concrete, not exactly Rebound Ace...

Are the strokes fine? really? :\

[joe sch]

Originally Posted by psv255

Lazy, uninspired, "no thinking involved," wall hitting.
I was having trouble spacing my distance away from ball on the forehand.

I appreciate both full-on bashing and constructive comments very much.

Thanks

http://youtu.be/QzqP71zyvWU

Your stokes look pretty good, nice windup and follow thru. Maybe get your footwork lighter and quicker so that you can get back to more of the ready position between hits.

The wall is good for your total tennis game ... use it to work on volleys, half-vollies, the grounds that your showing, nice to alternate and work on FH and BH sequences. Also work serves and overheads. OH work nicely once you learn to hit it on the ground near the wall to result in a popup lob that requires backpedal and OH.

Don't be too concerned with one vs two bounces or the level on the wall where your hitting, i.e. net level. Just get your strokes gooved and let the court be where you work on angles and geometry.

[2ManyAces]

right after you take the racquet back on FH, it drops and there's a little flick of the wrist. I'd advise you to take the flick away because all it's doing is helping you to be lazy. in a match it'll be hard to keep up.

[UCSF2012]

Backhand is good. Forehand looks like you're hitting a shade too far from your body. But that may or may not be the camera angle.

[psv255]

Originally Posted by UCSF2012

Forehand looks like you're hitting a shade too far from your body. But that may or may not be the camera angle.

Yes! I feel like I'm stretching too far for a lot of shots, you're right. Any way I make myself hit a little closer?

[UCSF2012]

Originally Posted by psv255

Yes! I feel like I'm stretching too far for a lot of shots, you're right. Any way I make myself hit a little closer?

Re-train your conception of where the ball should be to your right. Drop feed forehands to the wall and learn how close you should be to the ball. This is the T-ball version of tennis.

When I'm out of practice, I end up being too far from the ball on my backhand, causing me to hit on the upper 3-4 inches of the frame. I have to consciously stand closer until it registers in my brain.

[psv255]

Originally Posted by 2ManyAces

right after you take the racquet back on FH, it drops and there's a little flick of the wrist. I'd advise you to take the flick away because all it's doing is helping you to be lazy. in a match it'll be hard to keep up.

I see what you mean; my stroke does look a bit too wristy. thanks!

Originally Posted by joe sch

Your stokes look pretty good, nice windup and follow thru. Maybe get your footwork lighter and quicker so that you can get back to more of the ready position between hits.

The wall is good for your total tennis game ... use it to work on volleys, half-vollies, the grounds that your showing, nice to alternate and work on FH and BH sequences. Also work serves and overheads. OH work nicely once you learn to hit it on the ground near the wall to result in a popup lob that requires backpedal and OH.

Don't be too concerned with one vs two bounces or the level on the wall where your hitting, i.e. net level. Just get your strokes grooved and let the court be where you work on angles and geometry.

I agree, footwork needs work
The wall's great for a lot of things, but only if you have a very specific purpose...

[pvaudio]

I honestly do not like wall-practice for two reasons. One, it does not inform you of how your ball went, but more importantly, it does not encourage good footwork. Having watched your video, I think you understand how to use the wall well and to your advantage. I would suggest posting another video against a live opponent because the ball coming off the wall has no spin on it and only as much pace (minus maybe 40%) as you put into it. The value of a live opponent cannot be understated

[psv255]

Originally Posted by pvaudio

I honestly do not like wall-practice for two reasons. One, it does not inform you of how your ball went, but more importantly, it does not encourage good footwork. Having watched your video, I think you understand how to use the wall well and to your advantage. I would suggest posting another video against a live opponent because the ball coming off the wall has no spin on it and only as much pace (minus maybe 40%) as you put into it. The value of a live opponent cannot be understated

very true words, sir!
My footwork is rather slow, and I don't handle good pace well.
I hope to be playing over the weekend, so I'll hopefully get some match play in, or at the very least some live hitting.
For now, I was interested in the most glaring technical weaknesses in my strokes, especially with my forehand.

Thanks

[boramiNYC]

you have a very loose arm which can be both good and bad. good cuz you can generate lots of pace with just arm swing but bad cuz there could be dis connection between arm and the rest of the body. you need to strengthen your shoulder rotator muscles so your arm is always well centered in the shoulder socket joint. find the thrower's ten exercise and do them. and try to contact the ball right near the max performance zone in the range of motion of the shoulder. you'll need to move your legs a lot more with purpose to place your body at the right spot and orientation to do this. this will help your consistency a lot and ability to handle faster pace.

one more thing on FH prep your arm and racquet higher racquet more upright and use the wrist for more topspin. now it's mostly for pace. open the stance a little more and l like how your balance is not leaning backward too much. keep it on the middle and front.

[vil]

Originally Posted by pvaudio

I honestly do not like wall-practice for two reasons. One, it does not inform you of how your ball went, but more importantly, it does not encourage good footwork. Having watched your video, I think you understand how to use the wall well and to your advantage. I would suggest posting another video against a live opponent because the ball coming off the wall has no spin on it and only as much pace (minus maybe 40%) as you put into it. The value of a live opponent cannot be understated

I'd second that, yes I agree, the wall rushes you, it's not the same as partner. But if anything, it's a great footwork workout. Wall forces you to move if you want to try.

OP I would stand a bit further , that's it. Nice fluent hitting.

[TomT]

Originally Posted by psv255

Lazy, uninspired, "no thinking involved," wall hitting.
I was having trouble spacing my distance away from ball on the forehand.

I appreciate both full-on bashing and constructive comments very much.

Thanks

http://youtu.be/QzqP71zyvWU

I enjoyed your video. I love tennis videos.

I'm not qualified to comment on your strokes, but, yeah you do seem to be being a bit lazy on some. However, on the one's that you, apparently, are not being lazy on then I like your forehand and backhand technique.

You look to be very athletic, which will compensate for some laziness. But laziness is the enemy of progress. You have, imho, lots of potential.

[TomT]

Originally Posted by vil

Wall forces you to move if you want to try.

This, imho, is it. If one is lazy with wall hitting, then it might well reinforce bad habits. However, if one is focused and not being lazy, then I do believe that it can be valuable practice.

[psv255]

Originally Posted by TomT

I enjoyed your video. I love tennis videos.

I'm not qualified to comment on your strokes, but, yeah you do seem to be being a bit lazy on some. However, on the one's that you, apparently, are not being lazy on then I like your forehand and backhand technique.

You look to be very athletic, which will compensate for some laziness. But laziness is the enemy of progress. You have, imho, lots of potential.

Thank you Tom! I agree, my lazy footwork is more than suspect.

Originally Posted by TomT

This, imho, is it. If one is lazy with wall hitting, then it might well reinforce bad habits. However, if one is focused and not being lazy, then I do believe that it can be valuable practice.

Well noted!

[TomT]

Originally Posted by psv255

For now, I was interested in the most glaring technical weaknesses in my strokes, especially with my forehand.

I'm just a low level player, but nonetheless a student of the game. I actually like your forehand stroke, as it seems fluid and technically sound. Just don't be lazy with your footwork.

[TomT]

Originally Posted by psv255

Thank you Tom! I agree, my lazy footwork is more than suspect.

The upside is that that's something that can be easily remedied for someone with your athletic ability.

EDIT: So, I'm looking forward to seeing some videos of you hitting where you're doing nonlazy (is that even a word?) stroke preparation and execution on every shot.

[pvaudio]

Originally Posted by TomT

This, imho, is it. If one is lazy with wall hitting, then it might well reinforce bad habits. However, if one is focused and not being lazy, then I do believe that it can be valuable practice.

This is precisely my feeling. With the wall you also lose the critical, at the risk of being nerdy, but critical visual data that you need to alter your next ball. For example, if you hit the ball just above the white line, you assume BAM! that'd be a winner. However, you have little sense of perspective because you're not on a tennis court to see how far in or far back you are. So, if you hit that sizzling winner on the court and it turns out you'd be in no-mans land, that ball's going well long.