Heavy Topspin With A Eastern Grip.

[NLBwell]

Originally Posted by Larrysümmers

by getting under the ball and hitting low to high.

this ------ 10 char

[LeeD]

and hitting it 12' longer than the baseline....
Some mechanism is needed to land the ball into the court with an exxagerated low to high swing, and that mechanism is WW finish on the Eforehand grip, producing more topspin and LESS ball speed.

[defrule]

The way I think of my forehand is like a double pendulum.

Imagine your hand as the first pendulum and the racket head as the second. Imagine you are ready for the swing, you drop your racket hand and let it gain speed, the racket would lag behind because of the loose wrist.

At some point the racket really starts gaining speed and without using any force, it simply whips around.

Think about Trebuchets as well.

[NLBwell]

Originally Posted by LeeD

and hitting it 12' longer than the baseline....
Some mechanism is needed to land the ball into the court with an exxagerated low to high swing, and that mechanism is WW finish on the Eforehand grip, producing more topspin and LESS ball speed.

After you contact the ball, it doesn't matter where your racket goes.
Federer has many different follow-throughs on his strokes. Nadal has many different followthroughs on his strokes.
If you hit low to high and your racket is at the correct angle at impact you will get topspin and the ball will go where you want it to.

[effortless]

- Swing from low to high
- wrist snap
- windshield wiper shot
- angle your racquet more down to hit on a finer angle

[watungga]

To the OP, you may want to check your elbow in doing what you think is awesome. You're not a professional which they have arsenals of training regimen in optimizing the arm functionaries to execute that kind of stroke.

If you're doing the topspin wrong, your arm may not last long when you get old.

[boramiNYC]

advices telling lo to hi swing is fundamentally misguided for E fh. during the forward swing as the hand supinates the hand and racquet quickly dips down and bounces back up like something bouncing on a spring. starting low cannot provide a strong bounce. the upward motion of racquet from this bounce hits the ball and finishes in a small and quick WW before wrapping around torso.

[rten885]

You definitely cant get much spin with an eastern grip. Trust me I have clocked a forehand 110mph and I have experimented with that grip you just can't do it because of the angle of the racket. I hit western and get a ton of spin on the ball. If you really want a lot of spin on your shots change your grip. Angle of the racket makes much greater of a difference than overall racket speed.

[boramiNYC]

Originally Posted by rten885

You definitely cant get much spin with an eastern grip. Trust me I have clocked a forehand 110mph and I have experimented with that grip you just can't do it because of the angle of the racket. I hit western and get a ton of spin on the ball. If you really want a lot of spin on your shots change your grip. Angle of the racket makes much greater of a difference than overall racket speed.

idiot, so how does Fed get a lot of spin? btw his fh has a ton of topspin. you never clocked any 110mph fh. experimenting and drawing the right conclusion is not so simple. try again.

[rten885]

I hit a serve 126mph my friend I am not a typical 3.0 player such as yourself. I teach tennis for a living lol You need to learn how to play tennis and get past the 3.0 barrier before you can talk. Federer uses 3 different forehand grips but w.e. I am talking about extreme spin. Federer does not hit with extreme spin compared to some other pros.

[rten885]

A lot of people I teach who are 4.0s think flat balls have a lot of spin ..so everyone has their own prespective.

[TheCheese]

Originally Posted by rten885

I hit a serve 126mph my friend I am not a typical 3.0 player such as yourself. I teach tennis for a living lol You need to learn how to play tennis and get past the 3.0 barrier before you can talk. Federer uses 3 different forehand grips but w.e. I am talking about extreme spin. Federer does not hit with extreme spin compared to some other pros.

Federer averages the 2nd highest RPMs on tour. I don't think you can argue that the eastern forehand can't generate as much spin. Have you ever considered the fact that because you haven't spent years playing with an eastern that you're simply not as good with it or don't have the technique?

[rkelley]

Originally Posted by rten885

You definitely cant get much spin with an eastern grip. [emphasis added] Trust me I have clocked a forehand 110mph and I have experimented with that grip you just can't do it because of the angle of the racket. I hit western and get a ton of spin on the ball. If you really want a lot of spin on your shots change your grip. Angle of the racket makes much greater of a difference than overall racket speed.

Originally Posted by rten885

I hit a serve 126mph my friend I am not a typical 3.0 player such as yourself. I teach tennis for a living lol You need to learn how to play tennis and get past the 3.0 barrier before you can talk. Federer uses 3 different forehand grips but w.e. I am talking about extreme spin. Federer does not hit with extreme spin compared to some other pros.

A few years ago John Yandell measured the spin generate by several pros and Fed. was #2, surpassed only by Nadal. Based on that data, he's hitting with a lot of spin, even relative to other pros. If I've missed stated John's data please correct me.

Fed might alter his grip some (or not - I don't know), but all the data I've seen say it's always somewhere around an E. to strong E. When I look at pictures of his grip that's what I see.

Based on the above it's most definitely possible to hit with a lot of topspin with an Eastern or strong Eastern grip. You may not be able to do it, but it can be done.

I agree with TheCheese.

[Rogael Naderer]

Originally Posted by rkelley

A few years ago John Yandell measured the spin generate by several pros and Fed. was #2, surpassed only by Nadal. Based on that data, he's hitting with a lot of spin, even relative to other pros. If I've missed stated John's data please correct me.

Fed might alter his grip some (or not - I don't know), but all the data I've seen say it's always somewhere around an E. to strong E. When I look at pictures of his grip that's what I see.

Based on the above it's most definitely possible to hit with a lot of topspin with an Eastern or strong Eastern grip. You may not be able to do it, but it can be done.

I agree with TheCheese.

This most definitely.

Generally WW finish is going to be the best method but only if it is natural and smooth to you, I occasionally will use this follow trhough but it is never forced.

A relaxed wrist, powefrul coil and excellent timing will all help to achieve high racquet head speed which is chief among all factors when trying to achieve RPMs.