Prime Federer versus 20 year old Djokovic

[Gonzo_style]

Originally Posted by DropShotArtist

Wow so Fed almost doubled Djoker! Amazing.

Yes, I'm very happy because of that.

[Cup8489]

Originally Posted by DropShotArtist

Wow so Fed almost doubled Djoker! Amazing.

And if Djokovic only manages a single major in 2013, he will have 6 majors to Federer's 12 at the same age, I believe.

[Cup8489]

Originally Posted by axel89

honestly djokovic has more potential than federer i know go and yell at me but djokovic won AO with 2x more competition than fed winning wimbledon
djokovic was also more succesful than fed
20 years old djoko -1
20 years old fed -0

2x more competition you say?

I'd like to see the mathematical formula that led you to that conclusion.

[Sabratha]

Originally Posted by Cup8489

2x more competition you say?

I'd like to see the mathematical formula that led you to that conclusion.

The only big scalp Djokovic took was against a sick Federer that tournament. That's like Hewitt and Safin thrashing Sampras in the final of the US Open.

[Gonzo_style]

Originally Posted by Sabratha

The only big scalp Djokovic took was against a sick Federer that tournament. That's like Hewitt and Safin thrashing Sampras in the final of the US Open.

MonoFed is pathetic excuse! Djokovic beats #5 Ferrer, #1 Federer and future top 10 player JWT who destroyed Nadal in SF.

Have you watched that tournament at all?

[Cup8489]

Originally Posted by Gonzo_style

MonoFed is pathetic excuse! Djokovic beats #5 Ferrer, #1 Federer and future top 10 player JWT who destroyed Nadal in SF.

It's not an excuse, it's a fact. Who knows how much of an affect it really had on him.. but he couldn't find his usual extra gear against Djokovic in that match. Obviously part of it was Djokovic himself, but Federer wasn't 100%. That's just the way it is. I don't consider it a fluke win for Djokovic, as he's exceptionally good on Plexicushion, but rest-assured: prime, healthy Fed wouldn't have gone down in straights. No way.

[Federer20042006]

Federer was starting to slip in 2007. It's not that he was past his prime, but his game was dipping a little.

He lost to Djokovic in Montreal that year? Great. He also lost to Volandri at Rome, Canas at Indian Wells and Miami, Nalbandian at both Madrid and Paris, and Gonzo at the Masters Cup in the round robin stage.

[Gonzo_style]

Originally Posted by Federer20042006

Federer was starting to slip in 2007. It's not that he was past his prime, but his game was dipping a little.

He lost to Djokovic in Montreal that year? Great. He also lost to Volandri at Rome, Canas at Indian Wells and Miami, Nalbandian at both Madrid and Paris, and Gonzo at the Masters Cup in the round robin stage.

But Federer first time beats Nadal on clay

[5555]

Originally Posted by Federer20042006

Federer was starting to slip in 2007. It's not that he was past his prime, but his game was dipping a little.

He lost to Djokovic in Montreal that year? Great. He also lost to Volandri at Rome, Canas at Indian Wells and Miami, Nalbandian at both Madrid and Paris, and Gonzo at the Masters Cup in the round robin stage.

Djokovic played against Federer at French Open 2011 after he lost rythm because he did not play for 5 days (Fognini walkover)
Djokovic was injured(shoulder) against Federer at US Open 2011

Djokovic was at his peak against Federer at Dubai 2011.

[NadalAgassi]

It is funny how the ****s will get their panties in a knot over this but they are the same ones who try and pretend any win or even close match between 29 or 30 year old Federer and prime Djokovic means Djokovic would somehow get slaughtered in all surfaces in their mutual primes, LOL, never mind that Federer himself was in a dogfight and lost sets in over half his matches to 34-36 year old broken backed Agassi, and couldnt even get his first win over Agassi until Agassi was 33. He is just using the same philosophy ****s do in reverse.

[dr325i]

Originally Posted by vllaznia

And what happened to the other matches in 2007?

I was hoping you come back with that comment that is obviously riiculous as a 30-year Federer is the MOST EXPERIENCED player on the tour vs. a 20-year old kid in 2007.

Thanks for asking...

[dr325i]

Originally Posted by Gonzo_style

Federer destroyed Djokovic in US Open finals.

Destroyed?
7–6(4), 7–6(2), 6–4

Destruction is the 2008 French open (let me remind you: 6-1, 6-3, 6-0)

[dr325i]

Originally Posted by Cup8489

thank you for leading me to my point. The expected result. This 2011 FO win over Djokovic was an upset in many ways. As was the montreal match. Federer won the 2007 AO, 2007 USO, 2007 Dubai. The expected result for a world number 1.

So 5555 can post this thread all he wants.. it just shows a match that prime Federer choked away. He redeemed himself a month later.

Also, i Love the quotes. does 2011 not count as peak Djokovic now?

Do you seriously believe he'll ever have a season as good as that again?

Do I believe he will have the same (or better) season?
No. The question is does he NEED to have the season like that? As of now with Federer being less and less of a risk, Murray still not consistent threat, Nadal about to quit playing an no one else to challenge him -- no, he can maintain hiss reign with half the effort...unfortunately. I definitely don't think he put a 100% into 2012, except at the end when he wanted to show off...

[TMF]

This thread is pointless. They are 6 years apart and their prime was at a different time frame.

Unlike Fed and Sampras played in 2001, they are 10 years apart and neither of them were in their prime(particularly a 19 years old Fed).

[Goosehead]

that 2007 u s open final..federer won that title through amazing play but djokovic played good also from what i remember..(note to self..look at the link when not so busy)..

the yet-to-be serbinator lost that match IN THE HEAD..more than anything else..i dont recall any 'intake of oxygen problems' in that final either.

although maybe mr djokovic still had that 'action man style' spray on hairdo 5yrs ago too, probably.

[NatF]

Djokovic had chances to win the first 2 sets of the US Open 2007. I believe he was ahead in both sets and Federer had to fight off numerous break points. Djokovic also gifted the first tie-break with 2 double faults.

Djokovic of 07/08 was a very good player.

[jokinla]

Originally Posted by Sabratha

Going by that logic, Hewitt and Safin are better than Federer.

And Michael Chang is better than both, new GOAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[axel89]

I said potential not saying that they are better but Djokovic did not live up to his great expections Federer did the exact opposite.

Also Djokovic's draw at ao Becker Bolleli Querrey Hewitt ferrer Federer and Tsonga.

Okay i under stand you might say its an easy draw but thats bs at most it's a normal draw you wanna know whats an easy draw fed 09 french open

[dimeaxe]

Originally Posted by Cup8489

thank you for leading me to my point. The expected result. This 2011 FO win over Djokovic was an upset in many ways. As was the montreal match. Federer won the 2007 AO, 2007 USO, 2007 Dubai. The expected result for a world number 1.

So 5555 can post this thread all he wants.. it just shows a match that prime Federer choked away. He redeemed himself a month later.

Also, i Love the quotes. does 2011 not count as peak Djokovic now?

Do you seriously believe he'll ever have a season as good as that again?

Obvious trolling, I think it was Djokovic who choked US open finals.Multiple set points in first and second set.If it was the other way it would something like 3 wins in a row, and maybe more in future.Federer was lucky, but also much more experienced player, he knew that's his opponent will be overwhelmed by the moment itself.Playing first GS final against 11 time champion is not the same like playing someone like Phillipussies.And the most amount of wins that Federer accumulated against Novak in single season were in 2010, it was 4-1.Also, Federer was in great form before last years AO, he was playing in Doha like never before, crushing opponents along the way, so this type of arguments about post prime and old Fed are really cheap way to belittle Djokovic accomplishments.

[axel89]

Originally Posted by dimeaxe

Obvious trolling, I think it was Djokovic who choked US open finals.Multiple set points in first and second set.If it was the other way it would something like 3 wins in a row, and maybe more in future.Federer was lucky, but also much more experienced player, he knew that's his opponent will be overwhelmed by the moment itself.Playing first GS final against 11 time champion is not the same like playing someone like Phillipussies.And the most amount of wins that Federer accumulated against Novak in single season were in 2011, it was 4-1.Also, Federer was in great form before last years AO, he was playing in Doha like never before, crushing opponents along the way, so this type arguments about post prime and old Fed are really cheap way to belittle Djokovic accomplishments.

I agree completely