Homeschool for competitive tennis player in a non academy environment

[sureshs]

Originally Posted by TCF

Then why wouldn't white kids just check the Hispanic box on the application? They could just say their grandparents were Hispanic if ever pressed on it.

How do these schools police what an applicant reports on the application? Since all this is such public knowledge, parents who go through such lengths to get into the school would certainly just start checking Hispanic or African American on boxes for SATs and admissions applications.

It doesn't matter for the SAT. The scores will be the same.

It is not that easy to cheat on the college admissions.

In fact, I was told by someone who "coaches" college applicants that even if you leave it blank, they can guess from other things. It might be increasingly difficult due to mixed-race marriages and all that, but it can be done. Of course some might get away with it.

Even in states where the box is prohibited by law, schools try to guess, because a narrow use of diversity has been upheld by the courts.

Remember, it is not just the admission form. You lay your own life bare for the FAFSA, producing tax returns, property details, etc.

[TennisNinja]

Originally Posted by BHiC

When you say home school, are you including all forms of school that take place at home, such as online schooling, or just talking about homeschooling where the parent is the teacher? Because if online schools can be included, then your last sentence is not necessarily accurate. I stated previously that I go to an online charter school, and I am a member of the National Honors Society. I don't know if it would apply for the groups that you mentioned, but my state has a law that states if a school that you attend does not offer an extra circular activity, then you are allowed to go to the nearest school that does offer that activity. An example is, even though I don't attend the local High school, I could still play tennis for them if I wanted to because my school does not have a tennis team.

I have no experience with pure homeschooling, so I cannot comment about the exact rules governing that.

Sorry, I was talking about pure homeschooling.

Originally Posted by TCF

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Sorry, almost slipped again. I will let that poster keep arguing with himself instead.

Your passive aggressive comments are so cute

[BirdieLane]

Originally Posted by coaching32yrs

Sorry my friend but you are not right. The Harvard coach has gone on record as saying home schooling is a scam and the students are buying "A"s. He says that Admissions will not allow him to bring in home schooled kids. The only exception is where a student has a track record at conventional school and left high school after 2 or 3 years to train and home school. Columbia, Brown, Yale- positions on home schooling are similar. I know these coaches. Have you emailed any Ivy coaches or heard them say otherwise?

I clicked on a few Ivy commit lists on TRN. Here's a homeschooled Brown commit:
http://www.tennisrecruiting.net/player.asp?id=385417

[Misterbill]

I have no idea if this person matriculated at Brown, but he doesn't show up on any tennis roster.

[Chemist]

Originally Posted by Misterbill

I have no idea if this person matriculated at Brown, but he doesn't show up on any tennis roster.

I would tend to believe that he was admitted to Brown, but not recruited; and he chose not to walk on. Brown does have a two star recruit on the team, likely a walk-on.
http://www.brownbears.com/sports/m-t...2012-13/roster

[MarTennis]

Originally Posted by coaching32yrs

I guess I am in denial Ninja because I don't believe the Ivies have a lower admissions standard for minority applicants. My understanding is that Class Rank and SAT are converted to a raw score called the AI. There is a floor level of the AI, under which they will not admit any student. Race is a factor in admissions, but there is one standard. Another very significant factor is legacy (if parent went there) and how much parent contributed.

...got into Harvard. I believe he was perfect on the math portion of the SAT. Did he get in because his father is black? Or his math score, tennis, or the fact that his brother was already at Harvard?

[TennisNinja]

Originally Posted by MarTennis

...got into Harvard. I believe he was perfect on the math portion of the SAT. Did he get in because his father is black? Or his math score, tennis, or the fact that his brother was already at Harvard?

None of those factors alone will get you in. You don't get in "only because of ______ single factor", but that single factor can play a significant role in admissions.

[Chemist]

Originally Posted by BirdieLane

I clicked on a few Ivy commit lists on TRN. Here's a homeschooled Brown commit:
http://www.tennisrecruiting.net/player.asp?id=385417

Found a story about this kid. "Being home-schooled is a mixed bag," said Nath, a top student who has been accepted to attend Ivy League school Brown University, though he hasn't made a final determination yet. "You get greater flexibility when you're home-schooled and I'm in a great online program. But you miss the social stuff, like going to dances and things like that. Playing high school tennis since his 8th grade would surely be great "social stuff" for him.

http://postbulletin.com/news/stories...php?id=1492376

I also know several kids in our section, home school and play high school tennis.

[Misterbill]

What's up with the dances? Is it just my community that does not have these high school dances that seem so popular? High school kids around here socialize, but it's not at dances!

Yeah there is the prom, but it seems that the high school kids who play spring sports miss these because of sports obligations more often than they attend them.

Sorry for the diversion

[tennis5]

Originally Posted by Misterbill

What's up with the dances? Is it just my community that does not have these high school dances that seem so popular? High school kids around here socialize, but it's not at dances!

Yeah there is the prom, but it seems that the high school kids who play spring sports miss these because of sports obligations more often than they attend them.

Sorry for the diversion

No high school dances at my son's school either.

[tennis5]

Originally Posted by BirdieLane

I clicked on a few Ivy commit lists on TRN. Here's a homeschooled Brown commit:
http://www.tennisrecruiting.net/player.asp?id=385417

He is not on the team.

TRN doesn't always get it right, but more importantly,
it is hard to analyze from TRN the match up of athletic ability, and even GPA/SAT if you have that info
to say why this kid or that kid went to a select school.

The legacy issue and developmental kids ( big $ donated) throw any analysis off.

[Chemist]

Originally Posted by Misterbill

What's up with the dances? Is it just my community that does not have these high school dances that seem so popular? High school kids around here socialize, but it's not at dances!

Yeah there is the prom, but it seems that the high school kids who play spring sports miss these because of sports obligations more often than they attend them.

Sorry for the diversion

I think my son's high school has 4 dances each year, spring dance, prom, home coming, and winter dance plus bonfire night. He only made two due to conflict with tournament. I think he went to 4-5 Sweet 16 parties last year.

[Misterbill]

Originally Posted by Chemist

I think my son's high school has 4 dances each year, spring dance, prom, home coming, and winter dance plus bonfire night. He only made two due to conflict with tournament. I think he went to 4-5 Sweet 16 parties last year.

OK, thanks. I'm with you on the conflicts....at least as it relates to proms.

And didn't mean to pick on the quote you posted up about "dances". I have seen the reference to missed dances mentioned several places in the context of home schooling. My opinion is that missed dances should not be considered a significant negative social attribute of home schooling

Again, sorry for the diversion

[Chemist]

Originally Posted by Misterbill

OK, thanks. I'm with you on the conflicts....at least as it relates to proms.

And didn't mean to pick on the quote you posted up about "dances". I have seen the reference to missed dances mentioned several places in the context of home schooling. My opinion is that missed dances should not be considered a significant negative social attribute of home schooling

Again, sorry for the diversion

I am with you that a kid doesn't have to go to school dances or proms to develop social skills. Tennis is a perfect way of interacting with other kids, particularly at Zonals. BTW, a clear advantage for home schooling is that a kid is more able to play ITF tournaments and popular events like Eddie Herr or Orange Bowl that always take place during the week.

[BirdieLane]

Originally Posted by Chemist

Found a story about this kid. "Being home-schooled is a mixed bag," said Nath, a top student who has been accepted to attend Ivy League school Brown University, though he hasn't made a final determination yet. "You get greater flexibility when you're home-schooled and I'm in a great online program. But you miss the social stuff, like going to dances and things like that. Playing high school tennis since his 8th grade would surely be great "social stuff" for him.

http://postbulletin.com/news/stories...php?id=1492376

I also know several kids in our section, home school and play high school tennis.

So bottom line, Brown accepted a homeschool kid (who may or may not have gone there). Point being that I don't think you shut down options by being homeschooled or online schooled if you are otherwise a strong academic candidate and can nail the SAT/ACT.

Also, if he could play high school tennis since 8th grade, why wouldn't he be able to go to the high school dance?

[Chemist]

Originally Posted by BirdieLane

So bottom line, Brown accepted a homeschool kid (who may or may not have gone there). Point being that I don't think you shut down options by being homeschooled or online schooled if you are otherwise a strong academic candidate and can nail the SAT/ACT.

Also, if he could play high school tennis since 8th grade, why wouldn't he be able to go to the high school dance?

I think any kid, especially a tennis player, who has the discipline to do what is required to learn, to get good grades and to "nail the SAT/ACT", he/she can be successful home-schooling or otherwise. For my son's school, a student ID is required to enter the dance floor.

[TennisNola]

Alanna Wolf just committed to Princeton. She goes to Laurel Springs online.

[Chemist]

Originally Posted by TennisNola

Alanna Wolf just committed to Princeton. She goes to Laurel Springs online.

A quick search of the current Ivy tennis team rosters shows the following players, who were either home-schooled or graduated from Laurel Springs.

Florin Radu, Freshman, Princeton, Laurel Springs (Canada)
Monica Chow, Senior, Princeton, Home School (blue chip)
Henry Steer, Sophomore, Harvard, Laurel Springs (5 star)
Vaidya Kanika, Freshman, Columbia, Laurel Springs (India)
Brett Cromwell, Senior, Cornell, Nick Bollettieri Tennis Academy (on-line school?), transferred to Cornell, bench warmer
Sarah Leonard, Senior, Dartmouth, Laurel Springs (5 star)

[BirdieLane]

Originally Posted by Chemist

A quick search of the current Ivy tennis team rosters shows the following players, who were either home-schooled or graduated from Laurel Springs.

Florin Radu, Freshman, Princeton, Laurel Springs (Canada)
Monica Chow, Senior, Princeton, Home School (blue chip)
Henry Steer, Sophomore, Harvard, Laurel Springs (5 star)
Vaidya Kanika, Freshman, Columbia, Laurel Springs (India)
Brett Cromwell, Senior, Cornell, Nick Bollettieri Tennis Academy (on-line school?), transferred to Cornell, bench warmer
Sarah Leonard, Senior, Dartmouth, Laurel Springs (5 star)

Nice work. Case closed.

[coaching32yrs]

Originally Posted by Chemist

A quick search of the current Ivy tennis team rosters shows the following players, who were either home-schooled or graduated from Laurel Springs.

Florin Radu, Freshman, Princeton, Laurel Springs (Canada)
Monica Chow, Senior, Princeton, Home School (blue chip)
Henry Steer, Sophomore, Harvard, Laurel Springs (5 star)
Vaidya Kanika, Freshman, Columbia, Laurel Springs (India)
Brett Cromwell, Senior, Cornell, Nick Bollettieri Tennis Academy (on-line school?), transferred to Cornell, bench warmer
Sarah Leonard, Senior, Dartmouth, Laurel Springs (5 star)

I know one of the players. He/she did 3 years of traditional high school. Had a high GPA and high SATs. For his/her senior year tennis trained full time and went to Laural Springs. Ivy coaches are good with that. Big advantage to traditional schooled blue chipper with 3.5 GPA and 1900 on SATs over 4 years at Laurel Springs with similar GPA and SATs.