Silent Ban Discussion

[cc0509]

Originally Posted by veroniquem

Much harder to do through traditional media outlets.

No it is not. In the Armstrong case there were French reporters I believe who reported a failed test and started to dig around and they were promptly quashed and threatened by Armstrong and the governing cycling bodies. No journalist is going to take a chance and report about this type of thing unless it is a done deal.

[billnepill]

Originally Posted by jonnythan

Because they don't want doped players on tour?

I think they would like "thrilling" spectacles more. The kind of thing that brings the coverage contracts

[billnepill]

Originally Posted by cc0509

Because they have to have some sort of punishment system in place at the same time. They are caught between wanting to protect its biggest stars and making sure the sport of tennis is not tainted and trying to maintain some degree of vigilance especially with cases like Lance Armstrong looming over their shoulders. You think it is a coincidence that this is happening just as the full details of the Armstrong case have come out?

Well yeah but silent ban would provoke speculation like that (no offence) more than anything.

The system in place gives credibility to the sport. Lance's case has to do with politics and it's obviously an abberation to the normal procedure otherwise he would have been caught much earlier.

[cc0509]

Originally Posted by billnepill

Well yeah but silent ban would provoke speculation like that (no offence) more than anything.

The system in place gives credibility to the sport. Lance's case has to do with politics and it's obviously an abberation to the normal procedure otherwise he would have been caught much earlier.

The normal system in place does not apply when you are talking about the elite stars.

[billnepill]

Originally Posted by cc0509

The normal system in place does not apply when you are talking about the elite stars.

When how does silent ban relate to that system? In my view it doesn't. That's my original point

[defrule]

The issue is, if you crucify one of your biggest stars and end up killing the sport, is it really worth it?

[DRII]

Oh whatever...

If Nadal is on a silent ban then Federer is bi-sexual.

Which scenario has more evidence of existence?

[TMF]

Originally Posted by DRII

Oh whatever...

If Nadal is on a silent ban then Federer is bi-sexual.

Which scenario has more evidence of existence?

Originally Posted by DRII

It seems Nadal being absent drive his delusional haters even more crazy than when he's winning slams...

Go figure.

Stop trolling !

[billnepill]

Originally Posted by DRII

Oh whatever...

If Nadal is on a silent ban then Federer is bi-sexual.

Which scenario has more evidence of existence?

Oh whatever

You either want to deflect from the original topic acknowledging the the legitimacy of the speculation or you would like to explore topics of your interest ( bi-sexuality)

Which scenario has more evidence of existence?

[Clarky21]

Originally Posted by jjaded

The most suspicious part of Nadal's time off is that he had just been tested when he was defeated by Lukas Rosol, a match he thought he would win and if Nadal had won he, would not have been tested after.

Also, Nadal now claims that he was getting injections in his knee before the match. I presume cortisone (a steriod), which would explain a positive test for steroid use. If he was on a silent ban I think it absurd that his cover story for why he couldn't play is the same cover story for a false positive test.

Lets not also forget Nadal's connection to the infamous doping doctor who supplied many Spanish cyclists. I certainly think there is good reason to suspect Nadal was on a silent ban, but we may never know (or maybe in a decade he'll write a memoir about it.).

You do not have any idea what you're talking about. Cortisone is NOT the same as peds. Unless you think cortisone contains testosterone. Shocking how little some of you know about this stuff yet still spout this garbage.

[cc0509]

Originally Posted by billnepill

When how does silent ban relate to that system? In my view it doesn't. That's my original point

Because they still have to have some system of punishment in place even for the biggest stars especially with everything going on now--i.e. Armstrong, Fuentes, etc., but they don't want to make that public and tarnish the sport. It is very simple really.

[DRII]

Originally Posted by TMF

Stop trolling !

Right, acusing Nadal of being on a silent ban is just honest debate and deserves to be put up for discussion

Psyche

Some of you should be ashamed to make such acusations with no evidence!!!

Especially when it comes to one of the biggest names in the sport!

[Clarky21]

Originally Posted by MasturB

lol well Fed was what, 18-19 in 2000?

I think him maturing as a player and practicing helps. His technique on his groundies are much more improved when watching hte film. It just kind of shows how much he developed and matured.

So? I have seen *******s accuse Nadal of starting steroids when he only 14-15 years old.

[DRII]

Originally Posted by billnepill

Oh whatever

You either want to deflect from the original topic acknowledging the the legitimacy of the speculation or you would like to explore topics of your interest ( bi-sexuality)

Which scenario has more evidence of existence?

Beeotch, theres nothing legitimate about you and others' silent ban speculation! Its liable and slanderous!

[cc0509]

Originally Posted by DRII

Right, acusing Nadal of being on a silent ban is just honest debate and deserves to be put up for discussion

Psyche

Some of you should be ashamed to make such acusations with no evidence!!!

Especially when it comes to one of the biggest names in the sport!

Please, save it. We are way beyond that point now.

[DRII]

Originally Posted by cc0509

Please, save it. We are way beyond that point now.

Please save yourself from looking like a dumb ***** or just being an *****!

You perpetrators of this crap really should watch your step.

Do you even realize what you're accusing in these various threads

[billnepill]

Originally Posted by DRII

Beeotch, theres nothing legitimate about you and others' silent ban speculation! Its liable and slanderous!

Boy you are so afraid of this being true. Chillax it is not true but even it was you would still find some perfectly good reason to like Nadal

For the record I am against the theory. Read the posts. No need to act like know-it-all

[TMF]

Originally Posted by DRII

Right, acusing Nadal of being on a silent ban is just honest debate and deserves to be put up for discussion

Psyche

Some of you should be ashamed to make such acusations with no evidence!!!

Especially when it comes to one of the biggest names in the sport!

This is not the only place that people doubt his silent ban or his injury claim is sincere. Look around and many fans felt the same. There's many athletes(eg Steve Nash) have far more severe injuries far than Nadal, but they return to the sport in a very short time, not 8 months.

However you call Fed a bi-sexual just to hijack the thread.

[MasturB]

Point being, if Rafa wasn't a huge star in tennis and sports in general, and didn't hold so many unbelievable records, he probably would've been publicly banned. Rafa is a huge draw no matter if you love him or hate him. He sells tickets. Odesnik does not. He's expendable and can be shown as an example to the public and rest of the tour about doping.

Barry Bonds everybody knew was doping. Everybody knew McGwire was doping also. Nobody cared because they're entertaining to watch. It's rumored that baseball blackballed Barry Bonds AFTER he broke the all-time homerun record, because if they did it before they'd speculate that baseball never wanted him to touch the record. Bonds was still a very good hitter his last season and could've easily become a DH in the AL somewhere but nobody wanted to sign him because of his baggage and perhaps because MLB told teams to not do it.


Is publicly punishing Rafa worth the cost of tarnishing the legacy of your sport? Tennis is at an all-time high in terms of popularity right now globally. It may not be a major sport in the USA but it's either the #1 or #2 sport in most major places around the world.

I cannot believe how some of you believe the ATP has too much integrity to do a silent ban. That's very naive. The NFL changes rules to protect its quarterbacks because quarterbacks sell tickets. The NBA changes its rules to benefit players. Fifa rigs stuff too.

[Clarky21]

Originally Posted by MasturB

Point being, if Rafa wasn't a huge star in tennis and sports in general, and didn't hold so many unbelievable records, he probably would've been publicly banned. Rafa is a huge draw no matter if you love him or hate him. He sells tickets. Odesnik does not. He's expendable and can be shown as an example to the public and rest of the tour about doping.

Barry Bonds everybody knew was doping. Everybody knew McGwire was doping also. Nobody cared because they're entertaining to watch. It's rumored that baseball blackballed Barry Bonds AFTER he broke the all-time homerun record, because if they did it before they'd speculate that baseball never wanted him to touch the record. Bonds was still a very good hitter his last season and could've easily become a DH in the AL somewhere but nobody wanted to sign him because of his baggage and perhaps because MLB told teams to not do it.


Is publicly punishing Rafa worth the cost of tarnishing the legacy of your sport? Tennis is at an all-time high in terms of popularity right now globally. It may not be a major sport in the USA but it's either the #1 or #2 sport in most major places around the world.

I cannot believe how some of you believe the ATP has too much integrity to do a silent ban. That's very naive. The NFL changes rules to protect its quarterbacks because quarterbacks sell tickets. The NBA changes its rules to benefit players. Fifa rigs stuff too.

Do you believe that Nadal is the only player that dopes on the entire ATP tour? Do you believe that none of the rest of the top 5 are doping(I think they all are), but that Nadal is the only one to ever get caught and silently banned? More than once while no other player is ever caught? This is just bs to the highest order.

And like I already said in another post; the doper's are ALWAYS ahead of the testing. Always. It would be rare for a player to test positive in the first place in order to placed on a mythical silent ban.