How fast do you think the top players could run a 5k?

[r2473]

Originally Posted by FastFreddy

PS: I would kill jolly in a marathon and I weigh 206 and what is he a buck 70 wet?

Post your recent race results. Like J011y did.

[maggmaster]

That's a good time with no training. I wonder what i could run right now

[Pickle9]

Originally Posted by J011yroger

http://www.flrrt.com/results/win132.txt

34 overall, 7th in my age group.

Only two girls finished in front of me, so I have that going for me.

J

Damn, 65 girls beat me lol. To say I am out of shape would imply I had shape. I was doing good for the first 1/2 mile....

I always get a side stitch or cramp when running for distance. Like clock work. Anybody know how to prevent these?

[dominikk1985]

I would guess about 18 minutes. 15 minutes is really fast only the best women can do that. however the demand for endurance has gone up a lot in modern Tennis. I'm sure many of the 70s and 80s guys were no good distance runners but today's Tennis is different.

[dominikk1985]

Originally Posted by WildVolley

You can't tell by looking at someone's physique. I used to have a similar fat level and height as Murray in that picture, and I once ran a mile in under 8 minutes - believe it or not.

A man's sprint time in the 100 meters is more relevant to tennis than the ability to run a 5K at good time. Tennis points, even at the professional level, are more like jumping rope a little and then shuttle sprinting back and forth. Distance running isn't very relevant to tennis except to the extent that it develops cardio endurance.

yes but a good Aerobic base is required to reach high Levels of anaerobic endurance. you can reach solid Levels with just shuttle drills and other anaerobic drills but to reach a really high Level you Need a good Aerobic base. you don't Need to be a specialist but I'm sure todays pros have a very good Aerobic endurance.

[J011yroger]

Originally Posted by Pickle9

Damn, 65 girls beat me lol. To say I am out of shape would imply I had shape. I was doing good for the first 1/2 mile....

I always get a side stitch or cramp when running for distance. Like clock work. Anybody know how to prevent these?

Midol.

J

[dak95_00]

I've been enjoying this thread. As a hs teacher and asst. cross-country (x-country) coach, I gotta say I would place my money on the top 100 hs cross-country runners over this first ATP player. It comes down to specific training. Now if an ATP player trained for 6 weeks to 6 months, I'd take them to break into that top 100 but still not finish first. After all, you don't get to be an ATP player w/o a super competitive streak and a love of competition and winning.

Keep in mind that the top 100 runners in high school would have pr's in the lower 15s for courses that would be tougher than most road race courses. That's very fast!

Good job Jolly in stepping up to run. I'd love to be able to get out and run a fast time. It tough getting old and having nagging injuries which keep me from doing the things I love.

[J011yroger]

Originally Posted by dak95_00

Good job Jolly in stepping up to run. I'd love to be able to get out and run a fast time. It tough getting old and having nagging injuries which keep me from doing the things I love.

Thanks mate. I have been perpetually injured for basically my entire adult life, and I think I have finally got it kicked. I have never felt as good physically and mentally as I have in the last year and a half, so I want to run a marathon this year. And also, let's face it, I am not getting any younger. So I will likely continue to run races over the winter, and in the spring.

Running will always be second to tennis, and I will have to be careful not to do so much distance running that it compromises my speed on court.

J

[dak95_00]

I don't believe distance running could ever compromise your speed on the court. That said, if you want to be quicker on the court, you gotta do plyometrics. Distance training is designed to make you fast over a long period and plyos will make you fast and powerful in short bursts. A great training program would be one in which you did plyo workouts on your cross-training days.

At 40 years old, I play basketball against 20+ year olds and I can keep up in a straight distance run. I get blown away on the jumping and cuts but if I work very hard on my plyo training, I can get closer to where they are. My wife got me the Nike Kinect Trainer game for the XBOX 360 w/ Kinect and I've completed three weeks so far. It is working for me right now. Next, I've got to get outside and do some distance running. My 12 year old daughter who is just 6 months removed from ACL reconstruction surgery just ran a 6:15 mile at school on Friday and there is no way I can let her beat me. I'm not ready for that yet!

[J011yroger]

Originally Posted by dak95_00

I don't believe distance running could ever compromise your speed on the court. That said, if you want to be quicker on the court, you gotta do plyometrics. Distance training is designed to make you fast over a long period and plyos will make you fast and powerful in short bursts. A great training program would be one in which you did plyo workouts on your cross-training days.

At 40 years old, I play basketball against 20+ year olds and I can keep up in a straight distance run. I get blown away on the jumping and cuts but if I work very hard on my plyo training, I can get closer to where they are. My wife got me the Nike Kinect Trainer game for the XBOX 360 w/ Kinect and I've completed three weeks so far. It is working for me right now. Next, I've got to get outside and do some distance running. My 12 year old daughter who is just 6 months removed from ACL reconstruction surgery just ran a 6:15 mile at school on Friday and there is no way I can let her beat me. I'm not ready for that yet!

Yea, I will be sure to put in my squats and deads, as well as intervals and plyo.

I'll just have to listen to my body, especially in the outdoor season when I am putting in 15-20 hours/week on court.

J

[r2473]

Originally Posted by dak95_00

I don't believe distance running could ever compromise your speed on the court. That said, if you want to be quicker on the court, you gotta do plyometrics. Distance training is designed to make you fast over a long period and plyos will make you fast and powerful in short bursts. A great training program would be one in which you did plyo workouts on your cross-training days.

I like this guys advice.

Originally Posted by dak95_00

I've been enjoying this thread. As a hs teacher and asst. cross-country (x-country) coach, I gotta say I would place my money on the top 100 hs cross-country runners over this first ATP player. It comes down to specific training. Now if an ATP player trained for 6 weeks to 6 months, I'd take them to break into that top 100 but still not finish first. After all, you don't get to be an ATP player w/o a super competitive streak and a love of competition and winning.

So. how fast to you think ATP players could run a 5K without doing any specialized training?

[dak95_00]

I'd guess the fastest to be approx 17 minutes and they'd be feeling sick afterwards. Depending upon the course, maybe 30 seconds faster but I couldn't see any better than a 16:30 w/o training to run a 5k and I couldn't see many of them hitting that time. My guess is the avg would be much closer to 18:00 for the top 100 ATP.

[r2473]

Originally Posted by dak95_00

I'd guess the fastest to be approx 17 minutes and they'd be feeling sick afterwards. Depending upon the course, maybe 30 seconds faster but I couldn't see any better than a 16:30 w/o training to run a 5k and I couldn't see many of them hitting that time. My guess is the avg would be much closer to 18:00 for the top 100 ATP.

18-min or 5:48 pace as an average? Really? And you think the best times would approach 17-min (5:28 pace) or even 16:30 (5:18 pace)?

I'd have to see it to believe it. That seems like fast pacing for guys not training specifically for that. I doubt too many guys could sustain 5:30 or even 6:00 paces for 3 miles. I know your cross country athletes can do it, but they train for it. Tennis players don't.

Well, we'll never know anyway.......

[FastFreddy]

Originally Posted by r2473

Post your recent race results. Like J011y did.

Sorry, I don't post pics or post my real name since I have a real life.

[dak95_00]

Originally Posted by r2473

18-min or 5:48 pace as an average? Really? And you think the best times would approach 17-min (5:28 pace) or even 16:30 (5:18 pace)?

I'd have to see it to believe it. That seems like fast pacing for guys not training specifically for that. I doubt too many guys could sustain 5:30 or even 6:00 paces for 3 miles. I know your cross country athletes can do it, but they train for it. Tennis players don't.

Well, we'll never know anyway.......

Yes and here is why:
1) They are competitors! They give all they've got to win.
2) They are highly conditioned to go at anaerobic thresholds for up to 6 hours at a time (slam matches).
3) They've all done plenty of running. Like I said, my 12 y/o daughter can run a 6:15 mile and she is coming off of acl surgery. I'm 40 and was never an elite athlete and I can go out and reel off 7:30 or lower miles w/ minimal training. They are conditioned to bounce around causing different and probably harder stress on their knees, calves, feet, and ankles for long periods of time.

Given their already unbelievably conditioned bodies, I'll stick w/ my prediction. We will probably never know since they aren't going to go out and do it but I bet we could get a lesser pro or college player to do it or who already has done one to chime in.

A 5:30 mile isn't that fast for an elite athlete. There are many high school kids in every area that'll run 4:30 miles or better during track season. That is truly fast. I ran a 5:50 mile 5 or 6 years ago on my third mile of a 5k according to my Garmin. I AM NOT nor have ever been an elite athlete. I am a weekend warrior.

[r2473]

Originally Posted by FastFreddy

Sorry, I don't post pics or post my real name since I have a real life.

I see. Well in that case I can run a 2:30 marathon and a 14:00 5K. Without training.

(Let's see anybody type lower times than that.......)

[rufus_smith]

Are many good long distance runners taller than 6'2"?
Many ATP men (Raonic, Isner, Anderson, Cilic, etc) seem too tall to run a fast long distance race in a decent time.

[FastFreddy]

Originally Posted by r2473

I see. Well in that case I can run a 2:30 marathon and a 14:00 5K. Without training.

(Let's see anybody type lower times than that.......)

CATFISH. Just like some of the people I met in person. Whatever I tell them they have done better I say whatever and prove it to me in person!!
PS: I heard Lance will be faster on his bike since he will be more aero after he gets the other nut removed. It's not about the bike Iam taking roids, EPO, TEST and HGH!!

[dak95_00]

Originally Posted by rufus_smith

Are many good long distance runners taller than 6'2"?
Many ATP men (Raonic, Isner, Anderson, Cilic, etc) seem too tall to run a fast long distance race in a decent time.

Geez! How many more stereotypes can we throw out there? I suppose certain people can't play QB in the NFL either? RUBBISH!

We had a kid who was 6'7" a couple of years ago running 17:30s for us in hs. I'll stick to the fact that he was no where near an elite athlete like ATP players are and he could do it. Any guy who can maintain a high quality of tennis for 5 hours can go out and run 5k in under 20 minutes. Ask your friends who were in the military how fast they ran their times while in boots. I bet you'd be surprised at how fast they ran when a drill sergeant was screaming at them and they weren't elite athletes either. You can't compare weekend warriors to elite athletes. On your best day, you couldn't win a game off of one of these guys....Not even if you landed your best serve right where you wanted it to go for 4 straight points.

These guys have to do running in their daily training to maintain their endurance.

[Moz]

In my informed opinion I would guess that perhaps a couple of ATP players could run a sub 16:30, despite their training and musculature. I say despite because I bet none do comprehensive lactate threshold work as part of their training.

Out of the top 100 many would run in the 18's, most in 19's.

The truth is that high level sports is about specialism. I was a little surprised that Murray said he ran close to a 57 second 400m all out (which is pretty poor) - meaning his capabilities at 400m have probably already dropped significantly from his likely capabilities at 100m. The 5k might be even more surprising.

I'm probably a good example - being more of a 'sprint-type' my 5k time is far worse relatively to my short distance times, even if I train for it.