Baseball Hall of Fame 2013

[r2473]

Who would you vote for?

http://espn.go.com/mlb/hof13/story/_...ll-fame-ballot

[stringertom]

Biggio...3K hits, 7-time All-Star, multiple Gold Gloves, 50/50 doubles/SBs season, never an off-field headline. The vote is a sham if he isn't a first-ballot HOFer.

[Chace]

Biggio definately deserves to get in. I also would like to seed Dale Murphy get in

[volleygirl]

Originally Posted by stringertom

Biggio...3K hits, 7-time All-Star, multiple Gold Gloves, 50/50 doubles/SBs season, never an off-field headline. The vote is a sham if he isn't a first-ballot HOFer.

Its not a sham since Biggio didnt make it. He wasnt an all time great, he was very good and hung around a long time to where he accumulated stats but he was never a guy you watched and said "this guy is an all time great." If he does make it I wont object but no big deal if he doesnt.

[jaggy]

Fat men in pajamas hitting a ball over a wall with a stick

[J011yroger]

Wow.

J

[jamesblakefan#1]

Bonds was a HOF before he took PED, same with Clemens. It's an absolute joke that baseball writers seem so high and mighty about the integrity of the game when there have been cheats and felons all throughout baseball history. I'm not excusing what they did, but the history of baseball cannot be told without Bonds/Clemens, and McGwire/Sosa for that matter who helped save MLB. They all should be let in IMO. Screw the PED sanctimony.

[J011yroger]

Agree 100%

J

[volleygirl]

Originally Posted by jamesblakefan#1

Bonds was a HOF before he took PED, same with Clemens. It's an absolute joke that baseball writers seem so high and mighty about the integrity of the game when there have been cheats and felons all throughout baseball history. I'm not excusing what they did, but the history of baseball cannot be told without Bonds/Clemens, and McGwire/Sosa for that matter who helped save MLB. They all should be let in IMO. Screw the PED sanctimony.

I am sure Bonds' jersey and maybe his bat is in the HOF for the record of HRs he broke while cheating but he doesnt have to be enshrined. Same with Clemens and all the other frauds. They already made out by getting the huge contracts by cheating so you dont have to also reward them by enshrining them into the HOF. Good job voters.

[J011yroger]

I didn't realize that it was the writer's job to levy punishments against cheaters.

J

[volleygirl]

Originally Posted by J011yroger

I didn't realize that it was the writer's job to levy punishments against cheaters.

J

I guess you never heard of Joe Jackson

[J011yroger]

Originally Posted by volleygirl

I guess you never heard of Joe Jackson

While your guess is incorrect, I am curious as to what lead you to hazard such a guess.

J

[volleygirl]

Originally Posted by J011yroger

While your guess is incorrect, I am curious as to what lead you to hazard such a guess.

J

You said you didnt know the writers could levy punishments against cheaters. Didnt they set a precedent by not voting him into the HOF?

[Fearsome Forehand]

I think all of the steroid boys should be forever banned from the HOF. They are a disgrace to the sport. As Tilden was to tennis. As OJ was to football. I think character should matter in HOF voting. Tilden and Simpson are both HOF'ers in their respective sports, sort of an embarrassment to their sports IMHO.

Should Lance be in the biking HOF?

I also think Jack Morris should make it, next year is his last year. He came close this year.

[stringertom]

Originally Posted by volleygirl

You said you didnt know the writers could levy punishments against cheaters. Didnt they set a precedent by not voting him into the HOF?

You mean they have a "no shirts, no shoes, no enshrinement" policy in Cooperstown???

[J011yroger]

Originally Posted by volleygirl

You said you didnt know the writers could levy punishments against cheaters. Didnt they set a precedent by not voting him into the HOF?

He was put on the ineligible list by the commissioner of baseball, and so was not on the ballot.

J

[r2473]

Originally Posted by Fearsome Forehand

I think all of the steroid boys should be forever banned from the HOF.

Do you have a list?

[Disgruntled Worker]

I just wish the writers would come out and say why they're not letting Bonds or Clemens in. If you don't think cheaters should prosper, then say so. But Bonds and Clemens were shoe-ins into the Hall way before the PED scandals came up. And this poses another looming question: does ALex Rodriguez make it to Cooperstown? Big Papi? Manny Ramirez?

[Fearsome Forehand]

I think most of the users have been identified; Bonds, McGuire, Sosa, Roger, Palmero, et al.

If Rose was barred for mere gambling as a manager ( and not against his own team), how does one justify not banning steroid users?

Maybe they should build an annex at Cooperstown shaped like a hypodermic needle and have a special steroid HOF section.

[r2473]

Originally Posted by Disgruntled Worker

And this poses another looming question: does ALex Rodriguez make it to Cooperstown? Big Papi? Manny Ramirez?

Originally Posted by Fearsome Forehand

I think most of the users have been identified; Bonds, McGuire, Sosa, Roger, Palmero, et al.

Without a "smoking gun", you sort of have to assume that everyone (or no one) from this era was taking steroids, don't you?

Otherwise it is clearly just down to prejudice / "popularity contest". Which is fine I guess, but doesn't seem "right" (not that that "right" or "wrong" have much to do with it).

The logic seems to be "lets only punish the really, really, really good steroid users that the public doesn't like". I have no problem with this mind you, but there isn't a lot of sense to it all the same (Lance, are you listening.....)