Anyone else have an eerie feeling there will be a tennis doping scandal unveiled?

[フェデラー]

Originally Posted by FedSampras1

Nadal and Serena are certainly on PEDs, both are the biggest cheaters of the sport, along with Armstrong

Boy I'm sure you have a lot of evidence to back that up.

[90's Clay]

I have to wonder about Serena after she goes and locks herself in her room to avoid testing, citing it was a "burglar" ROFLMAO

I mean there are "studs" in pro sports. But this chick has some freakish strength.

[SwankPeRFection]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxzIfPxbdGI

What's he taking? Seriously, does anyone here think he's so "proper" as to cover up picking his nose? Gimme a break!

Win, lose, whatever. But the mofo gets to every damn ball and stretches like nobody's business. No one is that good and can continue to play like that for years without something.

[Speranza]

Originally Posted by Steve0904

I don't think about it when I'm watching matches. Never really thought about it before I started posting on this crazy forum tbh. Not that I don't think it happens, I just never thought about it until I started posting here, mostly because I don't think about it when I watch matches. If you spend all your time thinking about it you'll never enjoy the matches.

So what are you saying? That you don't think about it when you're watching matches?

[dafinch]

Originally Posted by Steve0904

I agree. I really don't care if any one of the top 4 (using them because they're the most important) is doping. To me anyway, it's quite obvious that all 4 of them have immense amounts of talent that is greater than everybody else with or without PED's. The whole Armstrong thing is a sham anyway. Yes he cheated, and he got caught, but I'd say 95% maybe more are using in cycling. I'm far from an Armstrong apologist, but the fact that he won 7 TDF using drugs just shows me he was the best among users which as I said is probably almost everybody in cycling. So what makes anybody think that he wouldn't win 7 TDF if everybody was clean including himself?

Well, I dunno, the fact that Armstrong HIMSELF said he didn't think he could have won all those titles without doping is a pretty good indication to ME, lol. That Armstrong is a PED abuser is finally a FACT, your remark about 95% of the tour being juiced is pure conjecture, nothing more. The assumption that because there are a few bad apples means they are ALL doping is ludicrous, IMO.

[Bartelby]

Tennis is not a team sport and a match is over in a half a day, so it's easier to conceal any wrong doing and tennis isn't exactly spending any money to have a hard look.

[Bartelby]

Lance was always under a cloud of reasonable suspicion so his final admission is irrelevant. In that regard, tennis is different whether because there is less cheating or it's easier to get away with it.

Originally Posted by Richie Rich

if anyone thinks that drugs are not being used in tennis by some players they are naive. it's either being covered up or the drug programs are so sophisticated they can't be detected.

i just can't believe tennis is the only "clean" sport out there. would not be a surprise to me if any of the top men or women were eventually found out like lance armstrong.

[West Coast Ace]

Originally Posted by mcenroefan

2. Stockpile the top players blood samples for testing in later years (as new tests become available) with the threat of stripping titles and reclaiming prize money if tests reveal a transgression.

So the players have to keep samples of everything they eat, every med they take? How can you defend yourself if they come back years later? That's the definition of a witch hunt.

You should have stopped with #1. Test every player once a month.

[GoaLaSSo]

Originally Posted by 90's Clay

It would take an outside entity coming in and giving a thorough investigation..

Tennis doesn't police itself very well with the drug use of its players.

Only lower tier forgettable guys have popped positive for drugs.. The upper tier guys haven't been caught yet.

Agassi was on meth and it was all swept under the rug

Meth is a little different than using peds, but your point is a good one anyway.

It wouldn't surprise me if a lot of upper tier tennis players dope. People are quick to point fingers. I would think that the common peds for tennis would be endurance based ones. Serena obviously doesn't take those...

Have you seen they way nadal trains? I hope he doesn't take peds, but the guy works his butt off all the time. I think a lot of players would be in the same place if peds were completely wiped from competitions. I don't think it makes as enormous as an impact as many people make it out to be.

Some peds are primarily used for fast recovery after matches, which I don't even really care much about.

[Sentinel]

Any1 else get the eerie feelin' this thread might be nooked sooner or later.?

[Federer20042006]

So if anyone in the ATP is clean, who would be the most likely players?

Personally, I think Baghdatis might be clean. He seems to lack that same spring in his legs other players have, and he really seems to be fighting an uphill battle in every match, despite having plenty of talent relative to the rest of the field. It also looks like he really feels the wear and tear. Seems like he might be one of the ones getting screwed over.

[Legend of Borg]

Originally Posted by Federer20042006

So if anyone in the ATP is clean, who would be the most likely players?

Personally, I think Baghdatis might be clean. He seems to lack that same spring in his legs other players have, and he really seems to be fighting an uphill battle in every match, despite having plenty of talent relative to the rest of the field. It also looks like he really feels the wear and tear. Seems like he might be one of the ones getting screwed over.

Dimitrov.

If he were on the same PEDs as the rest of the field he'd be sitting at 12 slams and two CYGS right now.

Oh, and 10 masters shields.

[fedfan46]

shouldn't a doping scandal come out before we begin jumping to conclusions and blaming player x for doping and saying the ATP is silently banning nadal and soderling for doping? Why not give them the benefit of the doubt until told otherwise? I may be way off on this, but tennis seems like a sport where an athlete doesn't need to dope. All a tennis player needs is to be very well conditioned, which can be achieved without PEDs. PEDs aren't going to help the actual game of the player. PEDs can't increase shotmaking ability. I love tennis, and refuse to believe anyone is doping until I'm told otherwise.

[droliver]

Originally Posted by The Bawss

Can we PLEASE stop going on about Djokovic's 2011 season!? Come one people he went gluten-free, hello? There are probably loads of medical reports that gluten-free diets boost performance by about 100%.

The whole gluten-free thing is more religion then science in most instances. Novak clearly did not have celiac sprue (the disease where your small intestine is sensitized to glutens) suddenly develop in his mid 20's as an elite athlete. The more plausible explanation is that he was more experienced and started paying more attention to his training and diet such that his marginal game improvement was enough to be the difference between #3 and #1.

The gluten issue probably just plays into his psychological preparation to compete at that level. But hey, whatever works!

[rajah84]

Originally Posted by hedera

I don't really care if any one of them uses PED. It would not change my opinion of them because they are all great athletes and I'm sure that no matter what kind of substance they might be using it hasn't miraculously turned them into super humans. There is still hard work behind it all.

The rules in place against certain substances are an arbitrary system. What might be banned today, could easily be allowed tomorrow. So who is to decide what is wrong, bad, good etc.? All it takes is a change in perspective.

I would allow it. Demonizing certain substances only results in pointlessly judging great athletes who most likely would've stood apart from their peers anyway, with or without PED.

But what about players who's primary weapon is fitness like Nadal and Djokovic? You could then rationalize that Rafa and Novak never beat Roger.

[davced1]

Originally Posted by Federer20042006

So if anyone in the ATP is clean, who would be the most likely players?

Personally, I think Baghdatis might be clean. He seems to lack that same spring in his legs other players have, and he really seems to be fighting an uphill battle in every match, despite having plenty of talent relative to the rest of the field. It also looks like he really feels the wear and tear. Seems like he might be one of the ones getting screwed over.

From the top of my head. Federer, del Potro, Tsonga, Youzhny, Kohlschreiber, Tomic, Gasquet, Simon.

[90's Clay]

You would have a tough convincing Fed doesn't dope. (Dude never gets any major injuries, when he does get injured hes back to 100 percent in minutes it seems).

Nole-Doping his lungs out.. This guy reminds me of Lance in his prime. Machine who never gets tired. Freakin energizer bunny. . That aint normal. Especially when you consider how **** poor his fitness was just a few years ago. How did he turn into Superman over night?

Nadal-Favorite player.. But Im a realist here. Doper to the max. (Physically impossible to do what he did at the AO in 2009 without some extra boost much like Nole did last year at the AO from the SF to the F)

Murray-Probably

I doubt Tsonga and Del Potro would be doping

[Goosehead]

Originally Posted by 90's Clay

I have to wonder about Serena after she goes and locks herself in her room to avoid testing, citing it was a "burglar" ROFLMAO

I mean there are "studs" in pro sports. But this chick has some freakish strength.

yes the 'panic room incident..was a giveaway..also isnt a missed test supposed to be like a failed test ??, i dont remember the wta doing anything at all about it....

in football..rio ferdinand (manchester utd)..missed the testers and dissappeared from view for a bit (mobile off for hours) long enough to see a doctor for masking agents, and he got an 8month ban (couldve been 2yrs)..as a miss is like a failed test.

then in the atp..we got the laughable richard gasquet and the toxic kiss in the nightclub,

with a woman whos face is made up completely of drugs..

[mariecon]

If anyone here actually watched Oprah's interview with Armstrong they would have heard Lance say that the riders (him included) knew when to dope so that it would be out of their system before they were tested. Since testing in tennis is even more predictable -usually players are tested after they lose a match in a GS or win the tournament - then I would say doping is very plausible. And players are allowed to miss 2 OOC tests in 18 months before they are penalised. That means if they aren't clean when the tester comes a knocking they can just hide in their panic room. Don't be naive folks.

[90's Clay]

Originally Posted by mariecon

If anyone here actually watched Oprah's interview with Armstrong they would have heard Lance say that the riders (him included) knew when to dope so that it would be out of their system before they were tested. Since testing in tennis is even more predictable -usually players are tested after they lose a match in a GS or win the tournament - then I would say doping is very plausible. And players are allowed to miss 2 OOC tests in 18 months before they are penalised. That means if they aren't clean when the tester comes a knocking they can just hide in their panic room. Don't be naive folks.

That makes sense.. I dont buy the fact these pro players don't know when they are getting tested. I'm sure there are some stooges around that will give up the testing dates. Get tested and get some EPO in your system right afterwards. Its been going on for years in all sports. You'd have to be a complete naive moron to think otherwise

I love how Naive people are in America too. They are so heartbroken and amazed Lance could possibly have been doping.. You dont win that many Tour De France titles without some boost. IMPOSSIBLE. They should have been looking to slam him years ago during the fact.. Not 10 years after the fact