Pacific BX2

[I Heart Thomas Muster]

Originally Posted by Chotobaka

That is interesting. Zero Tolerance came about with the "green/yellow" Magnetic Speed Pro No 1's as far I recall. The earlier "green/red" version was +/- 6 grams, and had the current throat design (as did the "green'yellow").

Unless my eyes (and the blurry pics) are playing tricks on me, the 18x20 frame looks different from it 16x20 siblings at the throat, with a design that goes back to the pre M-Speed style. Those racquets still usually had weight well within the stated range. It does look like the frame is slightly different beyond the string pattern.

Your eyes are not deceiving you. That's the old Pro No. 1 mold that I started using in 2003 (but I believe the mold predates that). Tecnifibre used it for a while as the TFlash 315 V02 Max when they had Baghdatis. For a while the mold was only available as the Pacific X Force Light.

http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Paci...IFIC-PXFL.html

But Pacific used the mold with specs similar to the old Pro No.1 but with the 18 main pattern and called the X Force Pro 18x20

http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Paci...IC-PXFP18.html

I love that mold but the Tecnifibres didn't have that sweet feeling of the Pro No.1 and I'm not sure Pacific will do it right either. My theory is that the Ceramic material made the difference.

Or maybe I'm just romanticizing here.

[McLovin]

Wow, good catch. To be honest, I never noticed that. Here's a photo of the X Force Pro (16x20) on the left, and the X Force Pro (18x20) on the right:

[t-swede]

and they seemed to have dropped the comp with the 105 sq inch headsize ?

[I Heart Thomas Muster]

I think they'll still offer a newer version of the Comp. The catalog showed only their tour series. I would imagine Pacific will still offer a game improvement type series.

[Ross K]

McLovin,

So are you actually interested in checking out any of of these upcoming Pacific rackets? I was a big fan of the X Force Pro and see it as such an underrated frame. Real quality for sure. Just a bit too demanding for me sadly.

[Chotobaka]

Originally Posted by I Heart Thomas Muster

I think they'll still offer a newer version of the Comp. The catalog showed only their tour series. I would imagine Pacific will still offer a game improvement type series.

The Comp was a real disappointment to me. It just felt so different from from the M-Speed Pro No 1 105 -- a little stiff, pingy and lacking the uber-solid yet plush feeling of the original Fischer. Worse, they never offered a version with specs equivalent to the 105 SL -- which was a real winner. Surprising since the X-Forces and X-Feel Pros are so true to their ancestors. Maybe the 2013 line will correct this.

[McLovin]

Originally Posted by Ross K

McLovin,

So are you actually interested in checking out any of of these upcoming Pacific rackets? I was a big fan of the X Force Pro and see it as such an underrated frame. Real quality for sure. Just a bit too demanding for me sadly.

Yeah, my X Force Pros are getting a bit beat up (it's been 18 months), so its time to do a little window shopping. I've got a bunch of frames I'm going to try over the next few months, then make a decision on whether to (a) get the latest X Force Pro, (b) get replacements of the ones I use, or (c) go to something completely different.

Right now, given how well I'm playing, I'd be crazy to do anything but 'b', but you know how it goes: See something new and you just can't resist trying it. Even if you know it is the exact same frame w/ a different paint job...

Currently, my demo list is:

1. Yonex VCORE 97 Tour (310g)
2. Yonex VCORE 97 Tour (330g)
3. Donnay Pro One (16x19)
4. Dunlop F 3.0 Tour

But I will be adding both X Force Pros (16x20 & 18x20) to that list once they come out.

[Ross K]

Originally Posted by McLovin

Yeah, my X Force Pros are getting a bit beat up (it's been 18 months), so its time to do a little window shopping. I've got a bunch of frames I'm going to try over the next few months, then make a decision on whether to (a) get the latest X Force Pro, (b) get replacements of the ones I use, or (c) go to something completely different.

Right now, given how well I'm playing, I'd be crazy to do anything but 'b', but you know how it goes: See something new and you just can't resist trying it. Even if you know it is the exact same frame w/ a different paint job...

Currently, my demo list is:

1. Yonex VCORE 97 Tour (310g)
2. Yonex VCORE 97 Tour (330g)
3. Donnay Pro One (16x19)
4. Dunlop F 3.0 Tour

But I will be adding both X Force Pros (16x20 & 18x20) to that list once they come out.

Solid choices. Will look out to see your thoughts if/when you hit with the latest Pacific racs.

[db10s]

Originally Posted by McLovin

No, there is no such thing as 'Cortex' on a Pacific/Fischer.

And as far as 'Basalt', that was put into the final line of Fischer racquets (then called 'Black Granite'), and the first line of Pacifics was essentially a paint job of the Black Granite line.

Actually, if you look closely at the hoop of the X Force Pro, you can see the words 'Black Granite'.

Its a joke... Wilson+Babolat....

[McLovin]

Originally Posted by db10s

Its a joke... Wilson+Babolat....

Sorry, I missed it. Sometimes its hard for me to tell who's kidding & who's trolling.

[Kal-El 34]

i am actually a fan of pacific frames. the guys that run the company are really straightforward and easy to get ahold of. I think cosmetically they are among the nicest looking frames on the market. Nice frames.. they just play a little stiffer than I like.

[sargeinaz]

Originally Posted by Kal-El 34

i am actually a fan of pacific frames. the guys that run the company are really straightforward and easy to get ahold of. I think cosmetically they are among the nicest looking frames on the market. Nice frames.. they just play a little stiffer than I like.

Definitely never heard anybody say that about a later model fischer or pacific. It's usually "way too soft for me". I actually hope this new model is stiffer because I never really had any complaints about my old M Pro 1 except I just wish it had a tad more oomph.

[Kal-El 34]

Originally Posted by sargeinaz

Definitely never heard anybody say that about a later model fischer or pacific. It's usually "way too soft for me". I actually hope this new model is stiffer because I never really had any complaints about my old M Pro 1 except I just wish it had a tad more oomph.

i spent some time with the x force pro and i found it to play pretty stiff.. i didn't mess with string set ups too much so maybe i had it too tight for the frame or something.

maybe i will give it another look here in this case. i got them right around the same time i got some pro stock donnay frames, and those took a majority of my time

[t-swede]

Originally Posted by Chotobaka

The Comp was a real disappointment to me. It just felt so different from from the M-Speed Pro No 1 105 -- a little stiff, pingy and lacking the uber-solid yet plush feeling of the original Fischer. Worse, they never offered a version with specs equivalent to the 105 SL -- which was a real winner. Surprising since the X-Forces and X-Feel Pros are so true to their ancestors. Maybe the 2013 line will correct this.

this is interesting to hear about the comp since i saw it as a current replacement for the m-speed 105 ligth . did you ever try to match the specs on the comp to the specs of the mspeed 105 sl ?

[Chotobaka]

Originally Posted by t-swede

this is interesting to hear about the comp since i saw it as a current replacement for the m-speed 105 ligth . did you ever try to match the specs on the comp to the specs of the mspeed 105 sl ?

No, I never tried to modify weight & balance, although that part is easy enough to do. My issues were really about the feel. With my Pro No 1 collection every model has the same house feel. Switching from an M-Speed 98 SL to the UL doesn't result in a different feel -- static weight is different, but they the same sticks other than that. Even the X-UL has the same character and feel, despite being a real featherweight. Same with the 105 SL; it has the essentially the same feel as the 98 SL despite the string pattern and size. On paper the Comp is the Pacific replacement for the M-Speed 105 ultra light, but I never got that sweet feel the original delivered and the pinginess was noticeable (not horrible but noticeable nonetheless). The X-Force and X-Force Pro did not have this aberration.

EDIT: I have never played the 105 UL, which had an RA of 59 and was 3 pts HL. The Comp's specs are very close to this, just being 2 pts less HL and 1 pt stiffer. The M-Speed 105 SL's, on the other hand were 7 pts HL and had an RA of 56 -- significantly different than the Comp and the 105 UL. Lastly, the new layups do not have any fiberglass. All of these factors would explain why the Comp did not float my boat. I would recommend a demo to see what you will be working with before committing to your project.

On a side note, I slipped an M-Speed 98 SL and an old Pro 98 to a couple of very good high school players last week, (both guys play PDR's and consider Babolat the best brand on the market), and both kids absolutely loved them. Fun to watch them look down at the racquets in amazement after hitting a great shot. I am converting the local kids one at a time...

[corners]

Interesting that Pacific isn't really changing the cosmetics with this new line. Pretty much the same paintjobs but with a newly formulated type of basalt fiber. Much different than other manufacturers, who take every opportunity to trot out new paintjobs with insignificant new tech.

[corners]

Found this old thread, which ends with speculation about the future use of basalt in tennis raquets: http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=58747

Basalt appears to be very similar to glass, but a little stiffer and stronger. It seems to differ from graphite in that it is much cheaper and has vibration absorbing properties.

[proracketeer]

Indeed.

Originally Posted by proracketeer

EliteNinja,
Can Basalt Fibers be used in tennis rackets?
Can you compare/ relate Basalt Fibers to Glass Fibers and Kevlar?

04-21-2006, 09:02 AM

[sargeinaz]

Any more news about this? Keeping my fingers crossed for 65 stiffness

[Tennisspieler]

Originally Posted by corners

Interesting that Pacific isn't really changing the cosmetics with this new line. Pretty much the same paintjobs but with a newly formulated type of basalt fiber. Much different than other manufacturers, who take every opportunity to trot out new paintjobs with insignificant new tech.

Couldnt agree more. I also think that Pacific deserves credit for putting lots of advanced technology in their frames that seems to actually work. And I like how they keep improving it.

IMO, Pacific is one of the few racquet manufacturers whose frames offer both: the maneuverability, spin-friendliness and power of modern sticks and yet the superb feel, stability and control of more traditional racquets.

As you mentioned, it’s great to see that Pacific doesn’t bother changing the looks of their racquets every new season, unlike many other companies. I think that puts even more focus on the excellent performance of their racquets and on the enhanced tech.