Federer vs Murray - 2013 AO semi-finals

[Love_No1e]

Murray well rested and has looked great so far, murray in 4 max

[abmk]

Originally Posted by Seventeen

Yeah, not sure what that guy's branging on about

heh ..........

[The_Order]

Wow we've got a bunch of English professors in the house here.

Fed was making a lot more errors in the Olympics because Murray forced him to go for more.

Nadal wasn't at his best in 06 & 07 WIM. Nadal even mentioned in his book that his head cost him the match, he got caught up in the moment.

You've discredited every single player that has beat Fed in major finals because you can't handle the fact that the reason he isn't "at his best" in those matches is purely because his opponent doesn't allow it.

Fed could've played at his absolute peak limit and still would've lost to Rafa in 08 RG in straights.

[swordtennis]

Murray might destroy him he looking mega jacked. In good shape.

[RF_fan]

Originally Posted by jwjh

Given the way Fed played in the QF, I think Andy has this.

Yes, but it's not likely he will be in the same form every match. He could play as good as R3 and R4. Besides don't forget that he's 3:0 vs. Murray in Grand Slams, with Murray only winning 1 set.

[Onehandedbackhand]

Oh dear lord! Are we on this kick about "oh Federer looked like this in this round, he'll get beat the next"?

Djoker was nearly knocked out by Wawrinka, then summarily dismissed Berdych like he was bored.

It will be no different against Murray.

[abmk]

Originally Posted by The_Order

Fed was making a lot more errors in the Olympics because Murray forced him to go for more.

pretty sure federer was well into the + vs nadal in all their grass court encounters ....murray also forced him to go for a lot more in their wimby final .. he was well into the + in that match and yes, even before the roof ...

Originally Posted by The_Order

Nadal wasn't at his best in 06 & 07 WIM. Nadal even mentioned in his book that his head cost him the match, he got caught up in the moment.

why are you going on about 2006 wimbledon ? I already said he wasn't at his best then ...

2007 Wimbledon , like I said the fail in the 2008 wimbledon final 4th set TB was far more, he recovered because federer was worse in the 2008 final ....

in any case, for both players, in both the finals, the mental factor was clearly more visible in the 2008 final - for federer, because of the beatdown @ RG ....

Originally Posted by The_Order

You've discredited every single player that has beat Fed in major finals because you can't handle the fact that the reason he isn't "at his best" in those matches is purely because his opponent doesn't allow it.

just because I didn't say federer played at his best, doesn't mean I'm discrediting his opponent ... still takes a lot to beat federer playing well at a slam - Wim 08, AO 2009, RG 2010, USO 2011 etc ....

Originally Posted by The_Order

Fed could've played at his absolute peak limit and still would've lost to Rafa in 08 RG in straights.

eh, no, I think he'd have taken a set ...but then that wasn't

[1980]

Federer will be looking to assert his dominance over Murray again. Fed in 5.

[norbac]

Doping Murray will beat Doping Fed in 4.

[kpktennis]

Originally Posted by norbac

Doping Murray will beat Doping Fed in 4.

This, although Fed was sweating quite a bit against Tsonga, maybe he has cut back on the PEDs after the Lance Armstrong deal

[The_Order]

Originally Posted by abmk

pretty sure federer was well into the + vs nadal in all their grass court encounters ....murray also forced him to go for a lot more in their wimby final .. he was well into the + in that match and yes, even before the roof ...

But Murray was in "I'm not taking any crap" god mode in the Olympics final. Olympics means so much to Fed and to fail again in that fashion knowing it's probably his last chance at singles gold must've hurt him to the core.

Originally Posted by abmk

why are you going on about 2006 wimbledon ? I already said he wasn't at his best then ...

2007 Wimbledon , like I said the fail in the 2008 wimbledon final 4th set TB was far more, he recovered because federer was worse in the 2008 final ....

in any case, for both players, in both the finals, the mental factor was clearly more visible in the 2008 final - for federer, because of the beatdown @ RG ....

Yeah, I'm sure Fed was thinking about the RG beatdown in that 5th set at WIM. Nadal knows better than you do what he was feeling. He said his head cost him which proves I was right because I was saying this before I read the book.

Originally Posted by abmk

just because I didn't say federer played at his best, doesn't mean I'm discrediting his opponent ... still takes a lot to beat federer playing well at a slam - Wim 08, AO 2009, RG 2010, USO 2011 etc ....

Fed played even better in WIM08 than 07 how many times does this FACT need to be stated to you? He didn't lose the first 2 sets because of RG, he lost them because Rafa was playing better than in 07.

Originally Posted by abmk

eh, no, I think he'd have taken a set ...but then that wasn't

Of course you do, I bet there's that part in you that thinks he might even take 2 sets. Now back to reality Rafa in straights.

[abmk]

Originally Posted by The_Order

But Murray was in "I'm not taking any crap" god mode in the Olympics final. Olympics means so much to Fed and to fail again in that fashion knowing it's probably his last chance at singles gold must've hurt him to the core.

again, yes, it hurt fed, but that's irrelevant to the discussion, fact is federer played cr*p tennis in the Olympics final ....

Originally Posted by The_Order

Yeah, I'm sure Fed was thinking about the RG beatdown in that 5th set at WIM. Nadal knows better than you do what he was feeling. He said his head cost him which proves I was right because I was saying this before I read the book.


Fed played even better in WIM08 than 07 how many times does this FACT need to be stated to you? He didn't lose the first 2 sets because of RG, he lost them because Rafa was playing better than in 07.

LOL, no ... federer played better leading up to the finals in 2008, but not in the finals ... yeah, rafa was so much better in the 2008 final that fed went up 4-1 in the 2nd set , only to blow it ...

nadal played better leading up to the 2011 finals than he did in 2007, but we all know he played quite a bit better in the 2007 finals than he did in the 2011 final ....it happens, you'd know if you could think a little and watch a little ...

only someone thick/blind enough not to see how many BPs federer blew by putting 2nd serves into the net can say federer played better in the 2008 final

I was talking about the first 2 sets at wimbledon when I talked about the effect of the RG final ...

Originally Posted by The_Order

Of course you do, I bet there's that part in you that thinks he might even take 2 sets. Now back to reality Rafa in straights.

umm, no ....

[The_Order]

Originally Posted by abmk

again, yes, it hurt fed, but that's irrelevant to the discussion, fact is federer played cr*p tennis in the Olympics final ....

no, Murray made him look crap.

Originally Posted by abmk

LOL, no ... federer played better leading up to the finals in 2008, but not in the finals ... yeah, rafa was so much better in the 2008 final that fed went up 4-1 in the 2nd set , only to blow it ...

nadal played better leading up to the 2011 finals than he did in 2007, but we all know he played quite a bit better in the 2007 finals than he did in the 2011 final ....it happens, you'd know if you could think a little and watch a little ...

only someone thick/blind enough not to see how many BPs federer blew by putting 2nd serves into the net can say federer played better in the 2008 final

I was talking about the first 2 sets at wimbledon when I talked about the effect of the RG final ...

Yeah you're right I don't watch. I've never seen the 07 and 2011 WIM finals. Nadal played 2011 with a fractured foot, that is a FACT that cannot be disputed.

Fed played just as well in the 08 final as he did in 07, only Nadal played better which caused him to go for more on points and make errors. Nadal's second serve is very tricky, we've established that Fed was netting them because he knew Rafa was playing better and that put pressure on his returns.

Rafa had 24 UE in 07 and 27 UE in 08. Now considering 08 went longer than 07 match it's obvious Nadal played a lot cleaner game in 08 and gave Fed less free points.

[kpktennis]

You gotta remember Nadal also tweaked his knee at the end of the 4th set 6-2 romp against Federer at 2007 Wimby which ultimately cost him the match

[kalyan4fedever]

Federer will win this no doubt about it , slams baby

[Sid_Vicious]

Originally Posted by kalyan4fedever

Federer will win this no doubt about it , slams baby

Weren't you the one who was saying that Federer is doomed on this slow court against "pushers" like Djokovic and Murray?

[Feather]

Originally Posted by Sid_Vicious

Weren't you the one who was saying that Federer is doomed on this slow court against "pushers" like Djokovic and Murray?

At times he suffers from Amnesia and drops the I hate Federer veil. It's amusing when that fall

[kalyan4fedever]

Originally Posted by Sid_Vicious

Weren't you the one who was saying that Federer is doomed on this slow court against "pushers" like Djokovic and Murray?

he will have a tough time for sure but i think he will pull it through, remember feds record in slams against murraa

[cc0509]

Originally Posted by NadalAgassi

Federer is definitely beatable right now. It really depends on which Murray shows up mentally.

No, other way around. It depends on what Federer shows up. If it is a very in form Federer, Federer wins, if it was the Federer who showed up to play Tsonga with a below par serve and tons of UE's, Murray wins.

[cc0509]

Originally Posted by NadalAgassi

It would be surprising if either of these players could beat Djokovic in the final anyway. Now that Djokovic had his major test and survived it I dont see anyone or anything stopping him here.

I don't think so. I think Djokovic may be beatable and either Murray or Federer can possibly do it. Djokovic does not look invincible to me but he may step it up big time for the final.