Priority One: Waste of money or Necessary?

[PeterFig]

Originally Posted by Overdrive

But I don't believe that everyone on the ATP rankings can afford P1 Gold Service.

I'm not sure Male #578 can afford P1 Gold.

A P1 guy can fully customize a Gold client's maximum amount of racquets (50) for less than $40,000.

For example:

Let's say Federer uses a 10 Wilson racquet bag and uses it only for his racquets (I don't know if he does or not).

Let's say on average, a P1 guy can customize a Federer racquet in around 25 minutes.

So, 50 x 25= 1250 minutes or 20 hours roughly 8-9 minutes. They could easily just have more than one guy string his racquets.

Federer's "people" can just place the rest of the racquets in 4 other 10-pack racquet bags and transfer it from place to place. Shipping and handling fees from traveling may stack up in price, but no where near $40,000.

I know for sure that this would not equal $40,000.

I was going to try and actually write up an answer to your pretty comical (unintentionally so) post and it's logic. But instead I think I'll just:

[star 5 15]

Originally Posted by Overdrive

But I don't believe that everyone on the ATP rankings can afford P1 Gold Service.

I'm not sure Male #578 can afford P1 Gold.

A P1 guy can fully customize a Gold client's maximum amount of racquets (50) for less than $40,000.

For example:

Let's say Federer uses a 10 Wilson racquet bag and uses it only for his racquets (I don't know if he does or not).

Let's say on average, a P1 guy can customize a Federer racquet in around 25 minutes.

So, 50 x 25= 1250 minutes or 20 hours roughly 8-9 minutes. They could easily just have more than one guy string his racquets.

Federer's "people" can just place the rest of the racquets in 4 other 10-pack racquet bags and transfer it from place to place. Shipping and handling fees from traveling may stack up in price, but no where near $40,000.

I know for sure that this would not equal $40,000.

The Gold Service only includes stringing for the 4 slams, masters series, year end championship, and in some situations davis cup ties. Therefore it would not make sense for "#578" to sign up for this service. They would go for the next step down Silver or even Bronze if they do not want a dedicated handle mold. I don't understand why you guys are dogging on P1 so hard. If they were overcharging for their services they wouldn't be servicing so many of the top guys in the world. There is a demand for their service and they charge accordingly. I've had conversations with Nate about customizing for myself, I play D1, and trust me, they are having no problem whatsoever finding clients. If anything they are struggling to keep up with the demand for their service.

Edit: I have also used P1, RPNY, and some no name services for my customizing and for an entire package of customer service, attention to detail, and quality of work, P1 wins in a LAND SLIDE. They are the best in the business plain and simple.

[tennis_balla]

Oh My God.....

[Overdrive]

Originally Posted by star 5 15

The Gold Service only includes stringing for the 4 slams, masters series, year end championship, and in some situations davis cup ties. Therefore it would not make sense for "#578" to sign up for this service. They would go for the next step down Silver or even Bronze if they do not want a dedicated handle mold. I don't understand why you guys are dogging on P1 so hard. If they were overcharging for their services they wouldn't be servicing so many of the top guys in the world. There is a demand for their service and they charge accordingly. I've had conversations with Nate about customizing for myself, I play D1, and trust me, they are having no problem whatsoever finding clients. If anything they are struggling to keep up with the demand for their service.


Edit: I have also used P1, RPNY, and some no name services for my customizing and for an entire package of customer service, attention to detail, and quality of work, P1 wins in a LAND SLIDE. They are the best in the business plain and simple.

Okay, I didn't know that.
I have never said anything negative about P1's service and professionalism. It is just a conversation with other TT members on whether do they think it's worth the money or not.

[Overdrive]

Originally Posted by PeterFig

I was going to try and actually write up an answer to your pretty comical (unintentionally so) post and it's logic. But instead I think I'll just:

Well sorry, this sounds like something I would do (not being cheap, it just sounded like a good a idea to me).

To each his own.

[Overdrive]

Originally Posted by kkm

majors = the Australian Open, French Open, Wimbledon, US Open

grand slam = winning all four majors in a year

You would have seen Wilson/RPNY stringing the WTA finalists' racquets before the Australian Open final.

The $40000 gold service fee is for customizing a player's racquets and stringing his racquets at the majors and masters 1000 tournaments, not just for customizing. The silver and bronze services are for clients who need customizing only, and probably cost quite a bit less.

Why would the P1 guys charge what it costs them in travel expenses and supply costs? Breaking even is the same as having a job that pays nothing. I'm guessing that they actually want to make a living. Being away from home much of the year, staying in hotels, getting up at odd hours to string while already jetlagged, not having home-cooked meals, finding time to sleep and eat, and otherwise passing time while their players are practicing and playing matches are no fun. Don't forget that racquet techs who do work for touring pros, including P1 and a few others, have specialized knowledge and capabilities, and that's part of what touring pros are paying for. $40000 is not so much for a successful singles player. Pros who sign up with traveling private stringers are also paying for the peace of mind that all they have to do is show of at the tournament and that there will be the same person to take care of their equipment needs. And the pros who have P1 just customize their racquets but not string for them probably believe it to be a decent value, otherwise would they sign with P1?

Oh okay, the guys on ESPN were saying that P1 was stringing the players in the WTA final at the Autrailian Open.

I understand that P1 wants to make money. Isn't that the point of a business?

I don't know, I guess that stringing and customizing a number of racquets didn't sound expensive to me but traveling with them all year seems like they are having a second life.

[Overdrive]

Originally Posted by Povl Carstensen

What makes you think P1 would take on a whole club, on one gold service? Rather out of touch with reality I would say.

Money talks.

[Roger Wawrinka]

^ I do not think a company such as P1 would have enough hours in the day to do that. "money talks" maybe in some cases but I don't think P1 has to worry about Money either.

[Rjtennis]

Originally Posted by Overdrive

Money talks.

What the heck are you talking/posting about? Go look at their website again and see what they do and WHO they are marketing their services to. I know only a little about about P1, but I do have some common sense.

[Overdrive]

Originally Posted by Rjtennis

What the heck are you talking/posting about? Go look at their website again and see what they do and WHO they are marketing their services to. I know only a little about about P1, but I do have some common sense.

I'm just wondering whether they actually make a substantial profit from this as the cost of travel, shipping expenses, miscellaneous, add up pretty quickly..

I wonder if the people that are around you think you have common sense as well...

[Hao2Pro]

Originally Posted by Larrysümmers

this isnt for the average rec player. its like needing a pit crew for your town car.

This response summed it all up.

[Povl Carstensen]

Originally Posted by Overdrive

I wonder if the people that are around you think you have common sense as well...

More than you imho.

[Overdrive]

Originally Posted by Povl Carstensen

More than you imho.

I believed that my thread was actually very interesting. Even drakulie even complented me on it. I'm not going to start disputes on here.

[Overdrive]

Originally Posted by Hao2Pro

This response summed it all up.

It did actually. I'm surprised this thread had revived, but only with a childish remark. Oh well..

[Povl Carstensen]

Originally Posted by Overdrive

I believed that my thread was actually very interesting. Even drakulie even complented me on it. I'm not going to start disputes on here.

I did not say that your thread was not interesting, just that to me Rjtennis seems to have more common sense than you.

[Overdrive]

Originally Posted by Povl Carstensen

I did not say that your thread was not interesting, just that to me Rjtennis seems to have more common sense than you.

Yes, he does have more common sense than me.

[Thud and blunder]

Why whould Fed et al pay anything? Do they pay Nike to wear their gear? Surely those monogrammed P1 bags are advertising gold dust, and the real money is made from hedge fund hackers?

[kkm]

Originally Posted by Thud and blunder

Why whould Fed et al pay anything? Do they pay Nike to wear their gear? Surely those monogrammed P1 bags are advertising gold dust, and the real money is made from hedge fund hackers?

P1 has a small number of gold clients. They have more silver and bronze clients, who pay for customization but not stringing. Of course there are non-pro clients for their bronze and silver services, but I don't think that P1 are looking for much retail/non-pro work. I can't and don't want to speak for them, but I don't think that hedge-fund hackers are their potentially largest, or target client base.

RPNY has fewer clients they travel to string for, but also quite a few customization-only pro clients. RPNY does look more for non-pro work since they have a retail location to maintain in midtown Manhattan.

[3fees]

Humm , lots of things I could remark on, yet I won't.

[Relinquis]

if you pay more for sticks then you to for training/coaching then you're doing it wrong.