nobody SV no more?

[luvforty]

don't give me the poly hits more spin excuse.... not relevant in the recs.

i think people are just trying to play like what they see on TV.

[President]

Lots of old guys that I play with still S&V, but you are right about the younger crowd.

[maggmaster]

I am developing my SV game. Yesterday I played a 4.5 match where I committed to SV on every first serve. I lost 6-3 6-2 ah well, it was fun anyway.

[WildVolley]

S&V is rare. You need to be very physically fit and aggressive. I can only recall one player in a whole season S&V against my team when I coached HS tennis. Even all-court play is rare as most high school players avoid the net.

When I was healthier, I used to S&V, but an injury has pushed me back. In the 1980s & 90s, McEnroe, Edberg, Becker, and Sampras were role models. There's no equivalent these days.

[Say Chi Sin Lo]

Originally Posted by maggmaster

I am developing my SV game. Yesterday I played a 4.5 match where I committed to SV on every first serve. I lost 6-3 6-2 ah well, it was fun anyway.

Every point?! Good for you! Haha but your quads/knees must be burning!

[HSCoach]

sure it's relevant in the recs. All the tech advances tend to help the recs more than the pros on avg.
Recs may not see the same results, but likely see a greater % increase with the help provided by technology. OS racquets make it easier for a rec to hit top spin and poly will help them get more for their effort, along with more accuracy from the poly string with a bigger swing.

[eidolonshinobi]

I have been S&V more since most people don't even know how to deal with people at net anymore.

[luvforty]

Originally Posted by HSCoach

sure it's relevant in the recs. All the tech advances tend to help the recs more than the pros on avg.

the consensus is exactly the opposite in the golf world regarding the new balls and drivers in the past 10 years or so.

i don't have any reference for tennis but i suspect something similar.. ball velocity and spin rate should not have changed that much in the recs in the past 10 years..... say high school ball, about 4.0-4.5 equivalent.

empirical evidence also shows....there is also a benefit in going against the grain.... the high school kids all seem to panic when they see a net man.

[dominikk1985]

I would mix it in occasionally but not all the time. maybe once a game or so.

[The Meat]

On a good serving day I serve and Volley, if not I stay in the back and play the boring baseline game

[julian]

Originally Posted by HSCoach

sure it's relevant in the recs. All the tech advances tend to help the recs more than the pros on avg.
Recs may not see the same results, but likely see a greater % increase with the help provided by technology. OS racquets make it easier for a rec to hit top spin and poly will help them get more for their effort, along with more accuracy from the poly string with a bigger swing.

Poly does NOT help SV
Co-poly only first 6 hours AFTER restringing and to a very limited extent
Basicly poly are killing SV
I would suggest some study/research on this subject

[Roforot]

Originally Posted by maggmaster

I am developing my SV game. Yesterday I played a 4.5 match where I committed to SV on every first serve. I lost 6-3 6-2 ah well, it was fun anyway.

The problem w/ doing it that way is that the returner gets to dial in what he wants to do on the return. It's good for you to practice especially against people who aren't as good as you. However, against people of equal skill, I find it more effective to be unpredicatable. Sometimes coming in on 2nd serves also.

[HSCoach]

Originally Posted by luvforty

the consensus is exactly the opposite in the golf world regarding the new balls and drivers in the past 10 years or so.

So golf world would have me believe the big bertha helped the pros more than it did me? Wow, that is a tough sell in this camp. I'd love to see the study that makes that claim.

[luvforty]

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...56C0A9639C8B63

[slowfox]

A good serve and volleyer would dominate the park players.

[HSCoach]

Article says scores have gone up for pros and down for recs, right?
Also says rec players hit farther and straighter, but pro distance records have held up, and only recently broken by a giant. How does this support your contention that rec players have benefited less than pros or that recs don't get much from tech advances?

[maggmaster]

Yes my quads are burning. It was just a club singles matchplay. I happened to pull one of the 4.5 guys in the league and I had already decided on the serve and volley game so I stuck with it. I played a tournament Friday and Saturday so I really could not play long rallys. Overall, if you have a decent volley serve, it is doable. You have to mix up spins and placements and your serve has to force a neutral return.

[anubis]

The whole point of S&V game is to take advantage of a very weak and predictable return so you can put it away at the net.

If you don't have an effective serve that is very difficult for your opponent to handle, then you can't S&V. If your opponent is pummeling the return back with interest, back to your own baseline, then you're going to have to slug it out from there.

Most rec players don't have a deadly serve. Simple as that.

[maggmaster]

It doesn't have to force a "very weak" return, just a neutral return that you can get on top of. Basically they can't be teeing off on you serve or placing it perfectly.

[TennisCJC]

I use S&V sparingly in singles but I don't play much singles anymore. I use it and see it used against me a lot more in doubles.

But, 5-10 years ago, I played almost all S&V in doubles and saw it used a ton. Definately used a lot less even in 4.0-4.5 doubles now.

I still think it works very well in doubles and can work in singles if you mix it up.