Murray is on the up

[6-1 6-3 6-0]

I think if Nadal had entered the tournament, and the final would have been Nadal vs Murray, the final would have been far more interesting, and Nadal would have tied the Sampras-Agassi h2h (vs Djokovic) with a commanding 20-14 lead.

[xan]

is that the infinite sign in your avatar?
to mark all the stupid things you post infinite times over and over again?

[3fees]

Murray is on the up No 2 bound, he outplayed Nole in the first set and then ran out of gas, credit to Nole for running him out of gas.

[syc23]

Originally Posted by kragster

Murray will amount to nothing more than a multiple one slam wonder. My guess is he will be a one slam wonder 5-6 more times.

The fact is that is Murray is 0-5 in slam finals that he has lost. Also you have to factor in that despite the height advantage, Murray is nowhere close to where he should be. Let's take 2 players of similar talent levels, Ferrer and Federer. So one can say that 3 inches in height difference = 17 -0 slams. Which means if Murray is 2 inches taller than Fed, he should end his career at least at 17 slams + (2/3)*17= 28 slams. So he is a woeful underachiever.

What brilliant logic.

You need a brain transplant and enrol back to school.

You're having a laugh comparing Ferrer with Federer on talent levels... height does not equate to having more talent. The reason why Ferrer can't collect a slam was laid out for the world to see against Nole in their AO SF. He is a fighter for sure but lacks that extra weapon(s) that the top 4 possess.

All I'll add to this is that the tennis landscape can change very quickly. When Rafa completed the career slam, we all thought it was going to be a lock for Rafa to win 20+ slams. So what happened there?

It's not inconceivable that Murray will play anyone other than Fed/Rafa/Nole in future GS finals, if he does I'm sure he'll win his fair share. People are giving Delpo all the time in the world and argue he has a 100% slam final conversion, yet he hasn't come any where near to the form he showed in USO '09 and why isn't he getting pilloried for failing to play to his seeding in every slam since 2009?

As long as Murray is getting more opportunities in finals, sooner rather than later, he'll start to convert more into wins. Heck it only took Nole 3 years after his maiden slam win to add another AO title.

[tusharlovesrafa]

I honestly think murray fans are the best fans in ttw.I haven't seen the likes of murray_slam_king and varies aliases trolling the forum.

[kragster]

Originally Posted by syc23

What brilliant logic.

You need a brain transplant and enrol back to school.

You're having a laugh comparing Ferrer with Federer on talent levels... height does not equate to having more talent. The reason why Ferrer can't collect a slam was laid out for the world to see against Nole in their AO SF. He is a fighter for sure but lacks that extra weapon(s) that the top 4 possess.

All I'll add to this is that the tennis landscape can change very quickly. When Rafa completed the career slam, we all thought it was going to be a lock for Rafa to win 20+ slams. So what happened there?

It's not inconceivable that Murray will play anyone other than Fed/Rafa/Nole in future GS finals, if he does I'm sure he'll win his fair share. People are giving Delpo all the time in the world and argue he has a 100% slam final conversion, yet he hasn't come any where near to the form he showed in USO '09 and why isn't he getting pilloried for failing to play to his seeding in every slam since 2009?

As long as Murray is getting more opportunities in finals, sooner rather than later, he'll start to convert more into wins. Heck it only took Nole 3 years after his maiden slam win to add another AO title.

My friend, please enroll in your nearest Sarcasm Detection 101 class.

[Mike Sams]

Originally Posted by 3fees

Murray is on the up No 2 bound, he outplayed Nole in the first set and then ran out of gas, credit to Nole for running him out of gas.

How can you win Slams if you run out of gas after only 2 sets?
Is Murray really in shape? Or is his mission only to beat Federer and anything else is a plus?

[batz]

Originally Posted by syc23

What brilliant logic.

You need a brain transplant and enrol back to school.

You're having a laugh comparing Ferrer with Federer on talent levels... height does not equate to having more talent. The reason why Ferrer can't collect a slam was laid out for the world to see against Nole in their AO SF. He is a fighter for sure but lacks that extra weapon(s) that the top 4 possess.

All I'll add to this is that the tennis landscape can change very quickly. When Rafa completed the career slam, we all thought it was going to be a lock for Rafa to win 20+ slams. So what happened there?

It's not inconceivable that Murray will play anyone other than Fed/Rafa/Nole in future GS finals, if he does I'm sure he'll win his fair share. People are giving Delpo all the time in the world and argue he has a 100% slam final conversion, yet he hasn't come any where near to the form he showed in USO '09 and why isn't he getting pilloried for failing to play to his seeding in every slam since 2009?

As long as Murray is getting more opportunities in finals, sooner rather than later, he'll start to convert more into wins. Heck it only took Nole 3 years after his maiden slam win to add another AO title.

Woah buddy - he was joking.

[W.P. Mayhew]

Originally Posted by batz

Woah buddy - he was joking.

"My guess is he will be a one slam wonder 5-6 more times." is a great line.

[6-1 6-3 6-0]

Originally Posted by xan

is that the infinite sign in your avatar?
to mark all the stupid things you post infinite times over and over again?

No, it's an eight. Since when is the infinity sign shown on its side? Why would I show it like that? Talk Tennis, the most paranoid forum in internet history.

[NamRanger]

Originally Posted by batz

Hi Haturz,

I know you've been pulling the head off it/rubbing it sore since Murray lost to the world number 1 last night and I've enjoyed reading your opinions on the subject (why some of you aren't coaches I just don't know) but thought I might counter those opinions with some facts (and a couple of opinions of my own):

1. Murray has made final at 4 of the last 5 'big events', winning 2 of them. For comparative purposes, nobody else made 4 finals, only Nole won 2 of them.

2. Murray is officially world number 3 and de facto world number 2 (OK, the last one was an opinion - but one supported by plenty of evidence).

3. Murray is on the up.


Now I know that he's ugly, that he swears, that he has bad teeth, that his Mother is awful, that he's not in the same league as the other guys, that he's a pusher with no weapons and that he is one slam wonder who only got that one because of wind.

But none of that gets away from point 3. He's on the up and he's likely to win more slams.

That, my hateful chums, is the cold reality of the situation. You can wail and you can gnash your teeth. Won't change anything.

PS Congrats again to Nole for slam number 6 and the first open era AO threepeat. He Boss.

No one's ever denied this, but after watching the final one cannot help but see that there are still holes in Murray's game where he can get exposed vs an elite opponent like Djokovic. Had Federer played abit better in the SF I'm not sure if Murray wins that one either, and you and I both know Federer did not play anywhere close to his best there, and Murray was playing good enough to close that out in straights.

Should Nadal return and be healthy, Murray would have to go through at least two out of three elite guys, which is something that is extremely difficult to do. Not saying it can't be done, but I don't think Murray has the firepower nor the offensive weapons to do this. He could possibly beat one guy, but he'll be gassed in the end when facing the second.

Also, Murray in the past has shown that like Nadal, he is susceptible to players that are 'hot'. Wawrinka at the USO is a good example of this, as was the match against Roddick at Wimbledon in the SF, etc. When a player gets hot and gets going, Murray usually resorts to defense which more often than not is a bad idea. He hasn't been knocked out too often because of it, but that is a vulnerability in his game.

[kalyan4fedever]

He won against federer mainly cuz of his monster serve 21 aces + many serves down the line..if only he could have maintained that serve

[Blinkism]

Originally Posted by batz

BLINKY! Where've you been mate? Was beginning to think you'd retired. It's been a weak Murray trolling era lately. Bawss tries hard, but bless him - he lacks your comedic talent

Nice to see you back Blink.

Good to be back, batz.

Happy to see there's still quality posting in the General Pro Player section.

Sad to see that the Murray discussions aren't in the Former Pro Player section, yet

[batz]

Originally Posted by Blinkism

Good to be back, batz.

Happy to see there's still quality posting in the General Pro Player section.

Sad to see that the Murray discussions aren't in the Former Pro Player section, yet

Now that's what I'm talking about!

[Legend of Borg]

Originally Posted by syc23

What brilliant logic.

You need a brain transplant and enrol back to school.

You're having a laugh comparing Ferrer with Federer on talent levels... height does not equate to having more talent. The reason why Ferrer can't collect a slam was laid out for the world to see against Nole in their AO SF. He is a fighter for sure but lacks that extra weapon(s) that the top 4 possess.

All I'll add to this is that the tennis landscape can change very quickly. When Rafa completed the career slam, we all thought it was going to be a lock for Rafa to win 20+ slams. So what happened there?

It's not inconceivable that Murray will play anyone other than Fed/Rafa/Nole in future GS finals, if he does I'm sure he'll win his fair share. People are giving Delpo all the time in the world and argue he has a 100% slam final conversion, yet he hasn't come any where near to the form he showed in USO '09 and why isn't he getting pilloried for failing to play to his seeding in every slam since 2009?

As long as Murray is getting more opportunities in finals, sooner rather than later, he'll start to convert more into wins. Heck it only took Nole 3 years after his maiden slam win to add another AO title.

Are you Maximo?

[rainingaces]

Originally Posted by tusharlovesrafa

I honestly think murray fans are the best fans in ttw.I haven't seen the likes of murray_slam_king and varies aliases trolling the forum.

This may or may not be true but I think all nonbiased observers can see murray fans have the thinnest skin. You can see this by judging on the murray threads batz makes alone.

Murray fans show some class instead of bitterness the better player won on the day (most other days too) pick up the whiskey bottle and drown your sorrows.

The final in aus showed us that under normal circumstances djokovic is on a different level to murray and would have won the us open but for a act of god, so dont try and turn the tornado like conditions into a joke murray fans, be thankful he has one due to this unforseen act of god. If Nadal had played he would have probably won it so maybe you should count your double blessings.

[batz]

Originally Posted by rainingaces

This may or may not be true but I think all nonbiased observers can see murray fans have the thinnest skin. You can see this by judging on the murray threads batz makes alone.

Murray fans show some class instead of bitterness the better player won on the day (most other days too) pick up the whiskey bottle and drown your sorrows.
The final in aus showed us that under normal circumstances djokovic is on a different level to murray and would have won the us open but for a act of god, so dont try and turn the tornado like conditions into a joke murray fans, be thankful he has one due to this unforseen act of god. If Nadal had played he would have probably won it so maybe you should count your double blessings.

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Murray, including the rest of the top 4, had better PRAY they don't draw Rafael Nadal in their quarter at RolandGarros2013. Because if that happens, it's an immediate quarter-final loss.

This is looking to be one of the most exciting RolandGarros tournaments ever. And when Nadal wins, he'll have a record of 59-1, or 59 matches won out of 60 (a record). That's about 98.3%, far better than any player has ever been able to produce at ANY grand slam.

[Sid_Vicious]

Originally Posted by syc23

What brilliant logic.

You need a brain transplant and enrol back to school.

You're having a laugh comparing Ferrer with Federer on talent levels... height does not equate to having more talent. The reason why Ferrer can't collect a slam was laid out for the world to see against Nole in their AO SF. He is a fighter for sure but lacks that extra weapon(s) that the top 4 possess.

All I'll add to this is that the tennis landscape can change very quickly. When Rafa completed the career slam, we all thought it was going to be a lock for Rafa to win 20+ slams. So what happened there?

It's not inconceivable that Murray will play anyone other than Fed/Rafa/Nole in future GS finals, if he does I'm sure he'll win his fair share. People are giving Delpo all the time in the world and argue he has a 100% slam final conversion, yet he hasn't come any where near to the form he showed in USO '09 and why isn't he getting pilloried for failing to play to his seeding in every slam since 2009?

As long as Murray is getting more opportunities in finals, sooner rather than later, he'll start to convert more into wins. Heck it only took Nole 3 years after his maiden slam win to add another AO title.

LOL!
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[Feña14]

To think a few months ago he had lost all his major finals without even winning a set. Now he's Olympic champion, US Open champion and pushing the best players in the World in the big matches.

Those are huge strides in a fairly short space of time, who knows where he'll be in another 6 months!