Doubles GOAT ? - Page 9

kiki · 02-02-2013, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by TMF

There is no truth but littered with bias(double standard, exaggeration, catch-22, hides the negative fact, and sometime even lies).

...and here is the proof

kiki · 02-02-2013, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by forzamilan90

there's barely any footage whatsoever of it, and a time machine doesn't exist.

I know and it is not your fault.But you should respect the experienced posters opinions.

TMF · 02-02-2013, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by kiki

...and here is the proof

Glad you're big enough to admit it.

kiki · 02-02-2013, 10:07 AM

Sorry, It is not my fault if Laver leads federer by three slams to nil, even in a very competitive era like Laver´s...

TMF · 02-02-2013, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by kiki

Sorry, It is not my fault if Laver leads federer by three slams to nil, even in a very competitive era like Laver´s...

1. Federer 17*
2. Sampras 14
3. Emerson 12(all amateur)
4. Borg/Nadal* 11
5. Laver 11(6 amateur, 5 open era)

*still active

kiki · 02-02-2013, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by TMF

1. Federer 17*
2. Sampras 14
3. Emerson 12(all amateur)
4. Borg/Nadal* 11
5. Laver 11(6 amateur, 5 open era)

*still active

Laver won around 10 or 12 pro slams, thus his account increases.

Federer was not deprived slam titles like Rod was for 6 years.Pros being banned from amateur slams.

TMF · 02-02-2013, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by kiki

Laver won around 10 or 12 pro slams, thus his account increases.

Laver only won 8 pro majors, which is equivalent to the modern WTF, but not the modern slams.

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Originally Posted by kiki

Federer was not deprived slam titles like Rod was for 6 years.Pros being banned from amateur slams.

But Laver gets to play the pro majors. If he decided not to turned pro, then he can compete the amateur slams, but not the pro majors. Take your pick. And if he was an amateur, and lets be nice and assumed that he would have won a few amateur slams, he would be another Emerson, which hurts his legacy for not turning pro.

Phoenix1983 · 02-02-2013, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by kiki

I know and it is not your fault.But you should respect the experienced posters opinions.

No one has to agree with the "experienced" posters all the time though. Especially since in some cases they are obvious fans of a certain player (BobbyOne = Rosewall, Dan Lobb = Hoad) and they do everything to boost the status of that player. It's no different to what TMF does with Federer.

TMF · 02-02-2013, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by kiki

I know and it is not your fault.But you should respect the experienced posters opinions.

But we do(see below), except posters from planet TT who self-proclaimed they are experts.

GREATEST MALE TENNIS PLAYERS

1 Roger Federer
2 Rod Laver
3 Pete Sampras
4 Rafael Nadal
5 Bjorn Borg
6 Don Budge
7 Andre Agassi
8 John McEnroe
9 Jimmy Connors
10 Bill Tilden

TMF · 02-02-2013, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix1983

No one has to agree with the "experienced" posters all the time though. Especially since in some cases they are obvious fans of a certain player (BobbyOne = Rosewall, Dan Lobb = Hoad) and they do everything to boost the status of that player. It's no different to what TMF does with Federer.

kiki = Kodes
hoodjem = Laver
Borg number one = Borg(obviously)

Phoenix1983 · 02-02-2013, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by TMF

But we do(see below), except posters from planet TT who self-proclaimed they are experts.

GREATEST MALE TENNIS PLAYERS

1 Roger Federer
2 Rod Laver
3 Pete Sampras
4 Rafael Nadal
5 Bjorn Borg
6 Don Budge
7 Andre Agassi
8 John McEnroe
9 Jimmy Connors
10 Bill Tilden

TMF: Admit it, you wouldn't agree with the Tennis Channel list if it didn't have Federer @ No 1.

TMF · 02-02-2013, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix1983

TMF: Admit it, you wouldn't agree with the Tennis Channel list if it didn't have Federer @ No 1.

Yeah, but at least I would never trashed them or insult their knowledge.

kiki · 02-03-2013, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by TMF

Laver only won 8 pro majors, which is equivalent to the modern WTF, but not the modern slams.

But Laver gets to play the pro majors. If he decided not to turned pro, then he can compete the amateur slams, but not the pro majors. Take your pick. And if he was an amateur, and lets be nice and assumed that he would have won a few amateur slams, he would be another Emerson, which hurts his legacy for not turning pro.

..and which credit do you personally have to assimilate Pro Slams to WTF of current tennis?

And 8 pros + 11 ams make 19...

kiki · 02-03-2013, 06:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TMF

But we do(see below), except posters from planet TT who self-proclaimed they are experts.

GREATEST MALE TENNIS PLAYERS

1 Roger Federer
2 Rod Laver
3 Pete Sampras
4 Rafael Nadal
5 Bjorn Borg
6 Don Budge
7 Andre Agassi
8 John McEnroe
9 Jimmy Connors
10 Bill Tilden

Is that the " famous" tennis Channel list?

journeyman Stece Fink is now the Bible????

kiki · 02-03-2013, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by TMF

kiki = Kodes
hoodjem = Laver
Borg number one = Borg(obviously)

I am very fortunate to have watched top tennis in the 70´s and 80´s ( and some 90´s, too)...so I have the possibility to have MANY favourites.from Hoad to Sampras.I can tell you 15 or 20 names.

Kodes, it is just that he is so unknown and underrated for a champion of his stature...

And, yes, when he was able to play some kind of all round tennis, many years ago,I also respected Federer.

Mustard · 02-03-2013, 07:02 AM

Doubles GOAT? John Bromwich has to be up there.

pc1 · 02-03-2013, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Mustard

Doubles GOAT? John Bromwich has to be up there.

I forgot about Bromwich but he's up there with anyone.

kiki · 02-03-2013, 08:10 AM

Adrian Quist¡¡¡

pc1 · 02-03-2013, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by kiki

Adrian Quist¡¡¡

I was on vacation many years ago and we met a couple of elderly women who were huge tennis fans. seems they loved Bromwich and Quist. Kept raving about how great they were as doubles players. I think the women were from Australia. Whenever I read about Bromwich or Quist I think about those women.

kiki · 02-03-2013, 08:20 AM

dream doubles match:

Hoad and Rosewall vs Hewitt-Mc Millan
Bromwich-Quist vs Fleming-Mc Enroe
Newcombe-Roche vs Sedgman-Mc Gregor
Brugnon-Cochet vs Woodbridge-Woodforde
Emerson-Stolle vs Borotra-Lacoste

Best 10 ever teams

02-02-2013, 10:07 AM	#164
kiki G.O.A.T. Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 10,721	Sorry, It is not my fault if Laver leads federer by three slams to nil, even in a very competitive era like Laver´s... __________________ " I have watched plenty of matches of the 70´s and 80´s" ABMK, the historian

02-03-2013, 08:10 AM	#178
kiki G.O.A.T. Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 10,721	Adrian Quist¡¡¡ __________________ " I have watched plenty of matches of the 70´s and 80´s" ABMK, the historian

02-03-2013, 08:20 AM	#180
kiki G.O.A.T. Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 10,721	dream doubles match: Hoad and Rosewall vs Hewitt-Mc Millan Bromwich-Quist vs Fleming-Mc Enroe Newcombe-Roche vs Sedgman-Mc Gregor Brugnon-Cochet vs Woodbridge-Woodforde Emerson-Stolle vs Borotra-Lacoste Best 10 ever teams __________________ " I have watched plenty of matches of the 70´s and 80´s" ABMK, the historian

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