Wayne Odesnik linked in latest US PED ring.

SLD76 · 01-29-2013, 03:45 PM

This report broke from a Miami newspaper on tuesday and so far the biggest focus is on professional baseball players.

Thats why as I was reading the article I was shocked to see a tennis name listed as a client, and Wayne Odesnik to boot!

http://www.miaminewtimes.com/2013-01...biggest-names/

In summary the article claims this so called clinic supplied HGH, IGF-1. steroids and other drugs to baseball players, boxers and various athletes.

In a related note, american baseball announced on saturday it was investigating so-called wellness clinics in south florida...and that basically claimed the area from boca raton down to miami as "ground zero" for doping.

Wow.

Also, the article links two men connected to the University of Miami as clients of this so called clinic.

I wonder how many pros train in Florida, Miami specifically???

Also, I wonder, if this is the clinic that supplied the HGH Odesnik tried to smuggle into Australia and if so, what names did he give up in order to shorten his suspension.

The_Order · 01-29-2013, 04:57 PM

Those PEDs did wonders for his career. What a star, I knew there was a reason he was unbeatable for so long...

SLD76 · 01-29-2013, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Order

Those PEDs did wonders for his career. What a star, I knew there was a reason he was unbeatable for so long...

and your point was.......?

norbac · 01-29-2013, 05:02 PM

Murray trains in Miami! Foolproof evidence that the miserable Scot dopes himself to victory.

The_Order · 01-29-2013, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SLD76

and your point was.......?

Well they didn't really help him now did they?

SLD76 · 01-29-2013, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Order

Well they didn't really help him now did they?

PED's can only help so much. Ultimately tennis is about skill and reflexes.

To further bust your bubble...most of the tennis ped convictions we hear about are the wayne odesniks and
yannina wickmayer's of the world.

no name journeymen/women who have no impact on the game.
Convenient eh?

mariecon · 01-29-2013, 06:12 PM

Why don't they tell us something we don't already know. Or will Odesnik be the perennial fall guy?

SLD76 · 01-29-2013, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by mariecon

Why don't they tell us something we don't already know. Or will Odesnik be the perennial fall guy?

I dont even think its that Wayne is the fall guy, its just that he is connected to this particular ring.

Best believe if their was a higher ranked player involved they would have been outed, seeing as the article outs Alex Rodriguez who is/was a top flight baseball player.

mariecon · 01-29-2013, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by SLD76

I dont even think its that Wayne is the fall guy, its just that he is connected to this particular ring.

Best believe if their was a higher ranked player involved they would have been outed, seeing as the article outs Alex Rodriguez who is/was a top flight baseball player.

Believe me I have absolutely zero respect for Odesnik but I can't believe he's the best they've got. Thats the funny thing. If a lowly player like WO was using how can people believe that he's the only one? I just think he was the only one stupid enough to be caught.

veroniquem · 01-29-2013, 06:39 PM

Whatever he took didn't help his career lol. Not a great incentive to dope for the new generation... (good news).

cc0509 · 01-29-2013, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by veroniquem

Whatever he took didn't help his career lol. Not a great incentive to dope for the new generation... (good news).

Because he can't afford the real good stuff like the top ten players can.

Steve Dykstra · 01-29-2013, 09:17 PM

It's incredible that everyone in this thread assumes that just because he was not a top ranked player, the PEDs did not help him. The guy was a journeyman who spent much of his career ranked well over 400, yet continued to gradually improve until he was a fringe top 100 player who got ranked as high as number 77.

In tennis, if you are ranked 400 in the world you are losing money. If you get to number 77 you are making a decent living. Lower ranked players have just as much incentive to dope as higher ranked players, if not more.

While the PEDs he used undoubtedly helped him improve his game in some way, they can only do so much. An average player cannot become the best in the world just because they use PEDs.

Clarky21 · 01-29-2013, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by cc0509

Because he can't afford the real good stuff like the top ten players can.

True, but he probably did do better than he ever should have because of the peds. But you have a point though, because maybe if he could have afforded a better doping regimen, he may have had a better career.

The_Order · 01-29-2013, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by SLD76

PED's can only help so much. Ultimately tennis is about skill and reflexes.

To further bust your bubble...most of the tennis ped convictions we hear about are the wayne odesniks and
yannina wickmayer's of the world.

no name journeymen/women who have no impact on the game.
Convenient eh?

Lol why you getting all defensive for? All I said was they didn't help him.

I don't follow Odesnik, so maybe you can tell me did they improve his performances at all?

And yeah it would be a huge blow to the sport if it got out that Federer,Novak or Rafa were taking PEDs all this time, but I don't think they've been doing that.

Cup8489 · 01-29-2013, 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SLD76

PED's can only help so much. Ultimately tennis is about skill and reflexes.

To further bust your bubble...most of the tennis ped convictions we hear about are the wayne odesniks and
yannina wickmayer's of the world.

no name journeymen/women who have no impact on the game.
Convenient eh?

I thought wickmayer just got banned for a year for not following the whereabouts rule once? I dont think she's ever tested positive..

Agassifan · 01-29-2013, 11:22 PM

Odensik, like Rafa is undefeated when he wins. Coincidence? I think not.

RF_fan · 01-29-2013, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Order

Lol why you getting all defensive for? All I said was they didn't help him.

I don't follow Odesnik, so maybe you can tell me did they improve his performances at all?

And yeah it would be a huge blow to the sport if it got out that Federer,Novak or Rafa were taking PEDs all this time, but I don't think they've been doing that.

How do you know it didn't help him? Maybe he would be ranked around 300 if he didn't use anything.

vive le beau jeu ! · 01-29-2013, 11:43 PM

will mustard be his lawyer ?

trilix · 01-30-2013, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Cup8489

I thought wickmayer just got banned for a year for not following the whereabouts rule once? I dont think she's ever tested positive..

That ban was lifted.

Wikipedia:
However, on 5 November 2009, the decision of the tribunal was announced, an effective one-year ban for both players.[5] Wickmayer, as well as Malisse, appealed the final decision, and her ban was lifted on 16 December 2009, after the appeal was granted.

SLD76 · 01-30-2013, 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by The_Order

Lol why you getting all defensive for? All I said was they didn't help him.

I don't follow Odesnik, so maybe you can tell me did they improve his performances at all?

And yeah it would be a huge blow to the sport if it got out that Federer,Novak or Rafa were taking PEDs all this time, but I don't think they've been doing that.

Im not defensive, just annoyed by the stupidity of what you said.
The article claims Odesnik was billed 500 a month for whatever it was he was taking.

Cuz it makes perfect sense to pay 500 bucks a month for something that isnt helping you.

or I guess unless you are top ten in the world, it isnt 'helping'.

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SLD76 Legend Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Jersey Shore, NJ USA Posts: 6,940	Wayne Odesnik linked in latest US PED ring. This report broke from a Miami newspaper on tuesday and so far the biggest focus is on professional baseball players. Thats why as I was reading the article I was shocked to see a tennis name listed as a client, and Wayne Odesnik to boot! http://www.miaminewtimes.com/2013-01...biggest-names/ In summary the article claims this so called clinic supplied HGH, IGF-1. steroids and other drugs to baseball players, boxers and various athletes. In a related note, american baseball announced on saturday it was investigating so-called wellness clinics in south florida...and that basically claimed the area from boca raton down to miami as "ground zero" for doping. Wow. Also, the article links two men connected to the University of Miami as clients of this so called clinic. I wonder how many pros train in Florida, Miami specifically??? Also, I wonder, if this is the clinic that supplied the HGH Odesnik tried to smuggle into Australia and if so, what names did he give up in order to shorten his suspension. __________________ "I'd like to see Fognini-Tomic, that would be a classic of bored nonchalance"-bjk

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