How serious are we ??

[Number1Coach]

Originally Posted by justinmadison

Quote from Quinzi’s Wikipedia page “Initially Quinzi applied himself to Alpine skiing, gaining a second place in the championships of the Trentino-Alto Adige; but at seven years old, after leaving other sports as well, he focused his efforts primarily on tennis. At the age of 8 he was noticed by the talent scout Nick Bollettieri who offered him a scholarship to his academy.”

I am going to guess that if he had actually won an Alpine Skiing championship at age 6 and 7 he would have put that in his Wiki page instead of he came in second. Not something you really forget.

Because the article says at seven he quit other sports to focus on tennis I kind of believe that more than your “if we say he started tennis only at age 8”. I am going to continue to speculate that if he was deciding between skiing and tennis he must have put some significant work into tennis and was good enough to pick that over skiing. This is all before the age of 7.

Because the article says he was found by a talent scout and given a scholarship to IMG I am going to believe he was pretty good tennis player at age 8 and Nick does not give a lot of scholarships to people who “had played tennis before” instead of your “His family had lots of money and they brought him to IMG."

Just so you know 7 + 10 = 17

Give me a break.

I know you have been critical of me and DB but it has always been with and honest , educated and also common sense mixed in , but where you have my respect is you do your homework , you listen well , this allows you to punch holes in TCF's story's that are made up as they go , I hope you keep this throughout your life instead of just believing what someone says, Facts are important !!!
Its like when we vote because we "think" this is the guy that is for the people and we see 5 yrs later the prices of gas are killing the common man , yet one fact remains when Bush left office gas was a 1.87 a gallon so I ask do the fact show he is really for the people ??

[justinmadison]

BB, let’s say you prove us all wrong and in 5 years DB is ranked 10th for all 21 year olds. Today’s 10th ranked 21 year old is Matthew Barton with an ATP rank of #240. Last year he played 28 tournaments all over the world. His prize money for those 28 tournaments was $10,709

How are you going to fund DB’s living, training, and travel expenses for the next …. What …. At least 7 years before he is break even? My expectation is he will need at least 3 years of combined training / ATP touring before you are ready to go full time on the circuit. He will need to have all of the weapons, tactics and strategies before you commit to full time travel / circuit.

You are going to need one of two things … a really big bankroll … or a way to get some help with expenses.

I understand you are fully committed to a touring pro result. If you did decide to go the D1 Baylor route it would be for help with the expenses during the training period. I personally don’t think there is time enough in the day for a D1 Baylor player to major in a “useful” degree like BSCS or BSEE. ( my opinion only and I know of some exceptions) So it would be specifically to defray costs.

Have you run the numbers? I have a friend who thinks he could have made it in pro tennis except his dad just ran out of money. I am sure it happens to many people and with the increased time to mature and break in I think it will happen to more and more.

Think about it carefully, there are pros and cons to any approach. If he takes longer to develop than you are planning you could end up in the wrong place.

[BSPE84]

Originally Posted by Number1Coach

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Its like when we vote because we "think" this is the guy that is for the people and we see 5 yrs later the prices of gas are killing the common man , yet one fact remains when Bush left office gas was a 1.87 a gallon so I ask do the fact show he is really for the people ??

Brad old buddy, you did hear of the financial crisis five years ago right? FYI there's really nothing a POTUS can do about oil/gas prices, but let's stay focused on tennis here .

[BSPE84]

Originally Posted by justinmadison

BB, let’s say you prove us all wrong and in 5 years DB is ranked 10th for all 21 year olds. Today’s 10th ranked 21 year old is Matthew Barton with an ATP rank of #240. Last year he played 28 tournaments all over the world. His prize money for those 28 tournaments was $10,709

How are you going to fund DB’s living, training, and travel expenses for the next …. What …. At least 7 years before he is break even? My expectation is he will need at least 3 years of combined training / ATP touring before you are ready to go full time on the circuit. He will need to have all of the weapons, tactics and strategies before you commit to full time travel / circuit.

You are going to need one of two things … a really big bankroll … or a way to get some help with expenses.

I understand you are fully committed to a touring pro result. If you did decide to go the D1 Baylor route it would be for help with the expenses during the training period. I personally don’t think there is time enough in the day for a D1 Baylor player to major in a “useful” degree like BSCS or BSEE. ( my opinion only and I know of some exceptions) So it would be specifically to defray costs.

Have you run the numbers? I have a friend who thinks he could have made it in pro tennis except his dad just ran out of money. I am sure it happens to many people and with the increased time to mature and break in I think it will happen to more and more.

Think about it carefully, there are pros and cons to any approach. If he takes longer to develop than you are planning you could end up in the wrong place.

Agreed those are the tough questions that need to be asked. Me thinks taking out a $200k loan for a BSCS would pay out faster and be much more lucrative over a lifetime. Of course, that would make him part of the worthless "educated" bunch. Oh the horror!

[TCF]

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[Number1Coach]

Originally Posted by TCF

Ha....justinmadison, I yield to you on this one, man...I thought I was the one here who held onto something like a pit bull. Ok, ok....so start the clock on Quinzi at age 7, lets see where he is at age 19 then.

Not sure who contributed to the Wikipedia page. All I know is we took one of his uncles, who spoke excellent English by the way, out for pizza, out fishing....and had numerous conversations about the boy. His mother's first love, and his, was skiing.

But whatever....start him at age 7 or 8, does not matter. His results were screaming by age 14, and continued standing out at 16 when he was # 1 ITF and ranked ATP.

Heck, start the clock when the kid was 3-5 if you want....by age 15-17 his results were on par with the other money making pros at the same age. He passes the sniff test of a guy with a solid chance to make money in tennis, no matter how you slice it.

You nailed it though with your post about funding. The 2 options to stay on tour long enough to get through the back door are either family money or sponsor's money.

One of his uncles ? as always "hear-say" someone else's info they pass on to you and you type it as though it is gold !!!

[TCF]

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[Number1Coach]

Originally Posted by BSPE84

Brad old buddy, you did hear of the financial crisis five years ago right? FYI there's really nothing a POTUS can do about oil/gas prices, but let's stay focused on tennis here .

I know about the crisis but we had and oil spill and this is what dummy proposed and caused !

Ten oil rigs have left the Gulf of Mexico since the Obama Administration imposed a moratorium on deepwater oil and gas drilling in May 2010, according to documentation obtained from Sen. David Vitter’s (R-La.) office
Oh wait here it gets better 25 Gulf oil rigs shutting down in deepwater drilling moratorium

therefore we have gas prices that will stay high and climb and the people suffer ! my point is use common sense is he for the million of poor people who drive cars and need to get to work with these action??

I am sure you will come up with and "higher educated answer" rather then use common sense and say this guys worst then the last .

lets stick to tennis, the subject is to simple and will confound many .

[BMC9670]

Originally Posted by Number1Coach

I know about the crisis but we had and oil spill and this is what dummy proposed and caused !

Ten oil rigs have left the Gulf of Mexico since the Obama Administration imposed a moratorium on deepwater oil and gas drilling in May 2010, according to documentation obtained from Sen. David Vitter’s (R-La.) office

therefore we have gas prices that will stay high and climb and the people suffer ! my point is use common sense is he for the million of poor people who drive cars and need to get to work with these action??

I am sure you will come up with and "higher educated answer" rather then use common sense and say this guys worst then the last .

lets stick to tennis the subject is to simple and will confound many .

No. Sorry. Not "therefore" we have high gas prices. Oil production has risen each year of the Obama administration. US oil production is at a 15 year high. Nice try.

[TCF]

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[BSPE84]

Originally Posted by Number1Coach

I know about the crisis but we had and oil spill and this is what dummy proposed and caused !

Ten oil rigs have left the Gulf of Mexico since the Obama Administration imposed a moratorium on deepwater oil and gas drilling in May 2010, according to documentation obtained from Sen. David Vitter’s (R-La.) office
Oh wait here it gets better 25 Gulf oil rigs shutting down in deepwater drilling moratorium

therefore we have gas prices that will stay high and climb and the people suffer ! my point is use common sense is he for the million of poor people who drive cars and need to get to work with these action??

I am sure you will come up with and "higher educated answer" rather then use common sense and say this guys worst then the last .

lets stick to tennis, the subject is to simple and will confound many .

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/nov...i-oil-20121113

[sureshs]

What is so great about depleting own resources and polluting the air? If you want to pollute anyway, it is better to buy from others and deplete them first. Sure it is more expensive, but that is the incentive to go for alternate sources. US has enough shale oil reserves for the next 100 years, while the Middle East is preparing for a post-oil economy. Republicans are just mouthpieces for oil and couldn't care less about clean air or alternative sources or climate change. They are essentially controlled by the Texas powers and their international friends who cannot think beyond waging wars for oil. Any economic "gain" by these stupid actions and "$500 tax refunds" is nullified by large scale manipulation of the financial markets and the cost of war creating one more generation of poorer people.

[BMC9670]

Originally Posted by sureshs

What is so great about depleting own resources and polluting the air? If you want to pollute anyway, it is better to buy from others and deplete them first. Sure it is more expensive, but that is the incentive to go for alternate sources. US has enough shale oil reserves for the next 100 years, while the Middle East is preparing for a post-oil economy. Republicans are just mouthpieces for oil and couldn't care less about clean air or alternative sources or climate change. They are essentially controlled by the Texas powers and their international friends who cannot think beyond waging wars for oil. Any economic "gain" by these stupid actions and "$500 tax refunds" is nullified by large scale manipulation of the financial markets and the cost of war creating one more generation of poorer people.

I tend to agree and was not arguing for more use of fossil fuels - just simply pointing out that BB's claim of why gas prices are high was just completely wrong.

[Alohajrtennis]

Originally Posted by Number1Coach

lets stick to tennis, the subject is to simple and will confound many .

What he said ^

[TCF]

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[Alohajrtennis]

Originally Posted by TCF

aloha, you are a veteran now buddy! You certainly know by now this old BB trick. Write a long post giving all sorts of provocative information, and at the end say "but thats not the discussion here so lets move on" or "not going to get into that here". Meanwhile, he made all his points.

Tricky debating 101....get your side out but cut off the response with a dismissal of what the topic should be.

No, I'm still just a semi-pro

[Number1Coach]

Originally Posted by TCF

aloha, you are a veteran now buddy! You certainly know by now this old BB trick. Write a long post giving all sorts of provocative information, and at the end say "but thats not the discussion here so lets move on" or "not going to get into that here". Meanwhile, he made all his points.

Tricky debating 101....get your side out but cut off the response with a dismissal of what the topic should be.

The topic is how serious we are "USA" when out trainer cor the US Davis cup is providing loads of candy and our players are munching gobs of it during the Davis cup matches and struggle to beat and inferior Brazilian team and all the "higher educated" say the Brazilians were playing high level tennis and the guys with common sense say the American got to get away from this attitude that its a party and get rid of the candy and cake during the matches ! So TCF what is the subject ?

[TCF]

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[BSPE84]

Originally Posted by Number1Coach

I know about the crisis but we had and oil spill and this is what dummy proposed and caused !

Ten oil rigs have left the Gulf of Mexico since the Obama Administration imposed a moratorium on deepwater oil and gas drilling in May 2010, according to documentation obtained from Sen. David Vitter’s (R-La.) office
Oh wait here it gets better 25 Gulf oil rigs shutting down in deepwater drilling moratorium

therefore we have gas prices that will stay high and climb and the people suffer ! my point is use common sense is he for the million of poor people who drive cars and need to get to work with these action??

I am sure you will come up with and "higher educated answer" rather then use common sense and say this guys worst then the last .

lets stick to tennis, the subject is to simple and will confound many .

Hey Brad, forgot to mention you might be seeing some oil rigs from your back yard real soon... careful when you turn on the kitchen faucet .

http://www.presstelegram.com/news/ci...ill-oil-carson

[ClarkC]

Originally Posted by BMC9670

Oil production has risen each year of the Obama administration. US oil production is at a 15 year high. Nice try.

Despite the efforts of the current administration, not because of it. On private lands, oil production has shot up because higher crude oil prices attracted drilling. On federal lands, where the administration has some influence, drilling has declined. Then the administration tries to take credit for overall production increasing, even though it happened over their dead bodies, so to speak. And it sounds like the deception worked on quite a few people, didn't it?