How serious are we ??

[Bash and Crash]

Originally Posted by TCF

You mentioned 6 guys, perhaps one of them will pull off an extended stay (lets say that means 7-8 years) in the top 50.

Yeah, but some guys need that time, taken Anderson a while to be solidly in the top 50, and other players needed time to reach that level, Janowicz, Soeda. I guess I'm trying to say, front door, side door, back door, if one of them gets you to the show, you are still in the show. Good quote from Raonic coach, "I don't think you can find many players under 22 or 21 that are even top 100 (in the rankings)," Blanco said. "What he's doing is pretty impressive."
Actually, looking at Milos travels he played all over the place in Futures( side note, he lost quite a bit to Mr. Fugate amazing), would Milos be considered a front door or back door?

[Chemist]

Originally Posted by TCF

Example of the front door to the ATP.....sixteen-year-old Christian Garin of Chile won his first match at the ATP main draw level today.

Most of the players that make it show substantial rankings rises year after year. Almost no top 80 pros spent year after year at the futures level.

Garin, ranked #920, was given a wild card to play Vina Del Mar. He beat qualifier Dusan Lajovic, #166 and 22 yr old. His best result in Future was to reach Semi early November. Let's see how fast he can break in top 100.

Watched a short video clip of Garin at the final of Eddie Herr. I feel that two Aussie teenages at the Jr AO final are better players, serve better, hitting harder, and move better as well.

[justinmadison]

Originally Posted by TCF

By the way BB, I think I have been quite clear lately. I am only interested in the ideas of those tennis coaches/parents whose kids have legitimate shots at going straight to the pros at a precocious age, and not coaches of those whose plan entails year after year of banging it out in low level tournaments trying to scrounge for pro points.

Brad, I just have to agree with TCF here. His plan of having his 8 year old win the OB at 12 and then move straight into the top 100 ATP seems like a winner. I don’t know why you insist on playing futures with your 16 year old boy who is #13 in USTA 18’s. You are a real pretender

[Number1Coach]

Originally Posted by TCF

By the way BB, I think I have been quite clear lately. I am only interested in the ideas of those tennis coaches/parents whose kids have legitimate shots at going straight to the pros at a precocious age, and not coaches of those whose plan entails year after year of banging it out in low level tournaments trying to scrounge for pro points.

So with all due respect, not much we can converse about as we have opposite ideas of what a true plan to develop a great player entails.

Are you talking guys like Carlos Boluda ? You were pretty high on him and the Spanish way of coaching 4 years ago or have you changed your position ?

We see he was your guy and the Spanish way of developing and red clay courts were the only way .

[Number1Coach]

Originally Posted by justinmadison

Brad, I just have to agree with TCF here. His plan of having his 8 year old win the OB at 12 and then move straight into the top 100 ATP seems like a winner. I don’t know why you insist on playing futures with your 16 year old boy who is #13 in USTA 18’s. You are a real pretender

HERE is reality
We hit with 2 guys that won the OB and EH back to back in the 12's they are both attending college and would be awful lucky to take a set off DB now, they have trouble trying to keep up with him in practice now, winning it at 16 and 18 means nothing also just says your a solid player .

Making the transition today to the pros really has nothing to do with the jr.s , the game and players have become so physical that if you are not focused on maintaining and building your body through the jrs and really thinking winning a couple high level jr events is gonna do it good luck your missing what development is for the pro's

His ranking will be about 25 soon as he is not playing jr events no more here except Carson maybe Easter then Zoo but when he did he rose as high as 5 so that is irrelevant .

As soon as TCF's daughter who hits like Serena can figure out how to get a jr win in the 10's its gonna be pretty cool .Cause playing up in the 12's where there is no pressure and she has nothing to lose is not real development so he is only fooling him self and knocking on a front door no one is going to answer .

btw way you must not understand the process , you can win the OB ED and every top national in the same year and your still starting in the futures unless you win Zoo you are not starting in the main draw anywhere !!!! Yes the grandslam jrs may get you a wild card into the main also I think maybe someone can verify that on the GS but other then the Zoo TCF will be entering the futures with his lil girl but she needs to figure out how to win a match 1st .

[coaching32yrs]

I don't believe it is accurate to say there are few ATP top 100 who slugged it out on the Futures and Challengers circuit for years. I believe there are a substantial percentage and that number is growing. What #1 Coach is doing is the way to go. Ryan Harrison got wild cards, his brother is doing it by winning Futures. I think winning in the minor leagues is better in the long run.

[SoCal10s]

Originally Posted by Number1Coach

HERE is reality
We hit with 2 guys that won the OB and EH back to back in the 12's they are both attending college and would be awful lucky to take a set off DB now, they have trouble trying to keep up with him in practice now, winning it at 16 and 18 means nothing also just says your a solid player .

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hey buddy: after seeing some college tennis I think you are going the right route if you want Deit to be pro.. college tennis changes you,it makes you into a grinder .. I don't know yet if this is a good or bad thing as top pros are often seen as grinders .. but for you guys DB being 6'4'' + maybe grinding tennis is not a good call... plus if you spend 4 years in college ,you've lost 4 valuable young years.. maybe 1 or 2 is OK to do but 4 years is too many..

[Number1Coach]

Originally Posted by Bash and Crash

Yeah, but some guys need that time, taken Anderson a while to be solidly in the top 50, and other players needed time to reach that level, Janowicz, Soeda. I guess I'm trying to say, front door, side door, back door, if one of them gets you to the show, you are still in the show. Good quote from Raonic coach, "I don't think you can find many players under 22 or 21 that are even top 100 (in the rankings)," Blanco said. "What he's doing is pretty impressive."
Actually, looking at Milos travels he played all over the place in Futures( side note, he lost quite a bit to Mr. Fugate amazing), would Milos be considered a front door or back door?

i have pointed Milos out in the past that our NCAA champion Klahn worked him at Carson a few years back , I was thinking this kid should go to college and Klahn should go pro but that kid Milos was very focused on his serve and shadowing his strokes through the change overs showed he had other plans then dominating the jrs and getting to that imaginary front door .

[Chemist]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Anderson_(tennis)

Looking at Kevin Anderson's wiki... He may not win a grand slam, but will make a good living as a professional tennis player.

TCF has a very high performance standard for a good coach. But his insights for boys having a dream of playing professional tennis may be right, namely a great player needs to be able to break into "big league" in a few short years playing minor league. A boy may need to break into top 300 by 18. If not, it's time for Plan B, do what Anderson did, namely, pick up a top D1 college to continue to develop your game, your mental and physicality. If you are an All-American and have good results in Futures in the summer, you keep your pro dream alive... Anytime, you break into top 300, you quit school and test your improved games in Challenges. Give yourself another 2 years to break into top 100 by qualifying and winning matches at ATP and a couple of Challenges. If you could not do so, finish your school, become a teaching pro or spend a few years to get your MD or MBA.

TCF's age related comments may be more appropriate for girls. Recent success of young American girls, such as, Stephans and Keys provides the support. The college route is a lot harder for women, because, possibly, very few pro-caliper women are playing NCAA.

[Number1Coach]

Originally Posted by TCF

By the way BB, I think I have been quite clear lately. I am only interested in the ideas of those tennis coaches/parents whose kids have legitimate shots at going straight to the pros at a precocious age, and not coaches of those whose plan entails year after year of banging it out in low level tournaments trying to scrounge for pro points.

So with all due respect, not much we can converse about as we have opposite ideas of what a true plan to develop a great player entails.

So what your saying is you don't want to talk to any parent or coach who's kid best shot is a D2 college and could never hit top 5 nationally in the 18 at 16 yrs of age or could never destroy one of the top players from Europe on clay at the OB while being ranked 633 in the world ?? OK got it

So what do you want to know about development or raising a top jr who has a lot of potential of going pro ? I am here to help

[Bash and Crash]

Originally Posted by Chemist

TCF has a very high performance standard for a good coach. But his insights for boys having a dream of playing professional tennis may be right, namely a great player needs to be able to break into "big league" in a few short years playing minor league. A boy may need to break into top 300 by 18. If not, it's time for Plan B, do what Anderson did, namely, pick up a top D1 college to continue to develop your game, your mental and physicality. If you are an All-American and have good results in Futures in the summer, you keep your pro dream alive... Anytime, you break into top 300, you quit school and test your improved games in Challenges. Give yourself another 2 years to break into top 100 by qualifying and winning matches at ATP and a couple of Challenges. If you could not do so, finish your school, become a teaching pro or spend a few years to get your MD or MBA.

Agree Chemist, but I think as players get bigger, stronger, the days of a 16-18 boy coming out and handling top 150 players on a regular basis are or have passed. Also, the plan you are stating is the one that TCF now does not want to discuss, and as players get bigger, stronger they need the extra years to get their game in sync with their bodies. Girls a whole other story.

[Number1Coach]

Originally Posted by Bash and Crash

Agree Chemist, but I think as players get bigger, stronger, the days of a 16-18 boy coming out and handling top 150 players on a regular basis are or have passed. Also, the plan you are stating is the one that TCF now does not want to discuss, and as players get bigger, stronger they need the extra years to get their game in sync with their bodies. Girls a whole other story.

After a few ITF the one thing I saw compared to most of our young players is the way they approach fitness , a lot of the Jrs from other countrys were already weight training at a solid level ,our boys have know idea of what that is here in the USA , I was down in Fl. and saw that at 18 and 19 they were just starting to get serious about their fitness at Boca ,
There were 8 guys there, I talked with 2 of them and they explained what they were now doing and its kinda to late to be working on building that at this point breaking your body down on a serious level and then trying to play events ? good luck !
Anyone seeing Nadal come on the scene at 18 ripped and thinking he was born that way I will get my real estate licence and work part time in Fl. and I will give you a ripping deal on a lot of that wet land stuff .

[Bash and Crash]

Originally Posted by Number1Coach

After a few ITF the one thing I saw compared to most of our young players is the way they approach fitness , a lot of the Jrs from other countrys were already weight training at a solid level ,our boys have know idea of what that is here in the USA , I was down in Fl. and saw that at 18 and 19 they were just starting to get serious about their fitness at Boca ,
There were 8 guys there, I talked with 2 of them and they explained what they were now doing and its kinda to late to be working on building that at this point breaking your body down on a serious level and then trying to play events ? good luck !
Anyone seeing Nadal come on the scene at 18 ripped and thinking he was born that way I will get my real estate licence and work part time in Fl. and I will give you a ripping deal on a lot of that wet land stuff .

Yep, however some are blessed a la Lebron, Nadal, they were men among boys, with good genes and hard work. Take DB, he can do his physical training now and get stronger and fitter, but he still won't be his strongest physically til early to mid 20's, but great that his building a strong foundation before he gets there, unlike these other kids.

[justinmadison]

Originally Posted by Number1Coach

HERE is reality

As soon as TCF's daughter who hits like Serena can figure out how to get a jr win in the 10's its gonna be pretty cool . ….

btw way you must not understand the process , you can win the OB … lil girl but she needs to figure out how to win a match 1st .

Brad, you continue to believe that just because your kid has always been one of the top 5 boys in his class you somehow know more about the process and the “reality” than TCF. TCF has spent long hours thinking about what he will do to enable his 8 year old too far surpass your feeble efforts. By skipping futures, challenges, and going straight to the ATP at an early age he will have an ATP top 100 player, probably by the time she is 18.

[Number1Coach]

Originally Posted by justinmadison

Brad, you continue to believe that just because your kid has always been one of the top 5 boys in his class you somehow know more about the process and the “reality” than TCF. TCF has spent long hours thinking about what he will do to enable his 8 year old too far surpass your feeble efforts. By skipping futures, challenges, and going straight to the ATP at an early age he will have an ATP top 100 player, probably by the time she is 18.

'"He has spent long hours thinking about what he will do " seriously you have me laughing and I for the first time will encourage education , Jump on it buddy.

[sureshs]

If TCF has a daughter, how is she going to be in the ATP?

[Number1Coach]

Originally Posted by Bash and Crash

Yep, however some are blessed a la Lebron, Nadal, they were men among boys, with good genes and hard work. Take DB, he can do his physical training now and get stronger and fitter, but he still won't be his strongest physically til early to mid 20's, but great that his building a strong foundation before he gets there, unlike these other kids.

Trust me I get what your saying but then again Nadal wasn't putting his serve up near 135 mph at 16 but he has great legs since he was young that "they built" them to be very explosive , I really don't believe there is some type of special genes ,what I do believe is some are born with a large chest ,they can excel in the bench press , some with thick legs they can excel in speed , we worked hard at one point when he was 13 going on 14 and had him pressing on the bench up to 160lbs 5 reps which for his body type was excellent but he will never be superior at it, there is another kid I work with same age putting up a bit over 200 lbs but 5 inches shorter .

If you saw him run a mile you would think he is blessed covers it rather quickly but he is in great shape and has "long strides"compared to most guys but what we tend to call blessed I call a "bonus" but what is important is "what you do with it " which most don't .

Just my thoughts on what I have seen and believe is lacking

[Number1Coach]

Originally Posted by sureshs

If TCF has a daughter, how is she going to be in the ATP?

Well until she can get at least 1 win as a jr or D3 college is about the best that can probably happen at this point .

[sureshs]

No I meant literally. Never mind. I found multiple posts about how he wants her to be on the ATP, and I was confused. I guess it was meant to be WTA.

[Number1Coach]

Originally Posted by sureshs

No I meant literally. Never mind. I found multiple posts about how he wants her to be on the ATP, and I was confused. I guess it was meant to be WTA.

your talking TCF why are you confused haha